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CPR 3/24/2019 3:25am
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Crush wrote:
Marv missed the flag, which means he didn’t mean it which means he shouldn’t be penalised.
DFWracefan wrote:
So why did he single the first two? I mean I missed the 75 mph speed limit sign but the officer gave me a ticket for...
So why did he single the first two? I mean I missed the 75 mph speed limit sign but the officer gave me a ticket for 84mph......I didn’t mean it so he should not have penalized me.
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Exactly bro. Intent doesn't matter.
Except when it's #2 Wink
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Crush 3/24/2019 3:50am
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Motofinne wrote:
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year. And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting...
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year.

And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting the "win". Have you all forgot the absolute outrage that came from when they took a win from Dungey when he jumped on the red cross flag? That is probably the reason why they have decided to go with this penalty the last couple of years.
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules. They bring more outrage with their knee-jerk inconsistencies than anything else.
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RichardLoots 3/24/2019 4:02am
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Motofinne wrote:
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year. And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting...
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year.

And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting the "win". Have you all forgot the absolute outrage that came from when they took a win from Dungey when he jumped on the red cross flag? That is probably the reason why they have decided to go with this penalty the last couple of years.
Crush wrote:
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules...
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules. They bring more outrage with their knee-jerk inconsistencies than anything else.
but the rulebook says its 7 points , right ? and thats what they did , cant blame Marvin for AMA to change the rules
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Motofinne 3/24/2019 4:09am
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Motofinne wrote:
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year. And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting...
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year.

And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting the "win". Have you all forgot the absolute outrage that came from when they took a win from Dungey when he jumped on the red cross flag? That is probably the reason why they have decided to go with this penalty the last couple of years.
Crush wrote:
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules...
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules. They bring more outrage with their knee-jerk inconsistencies than anything else.
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same penalty last year and everyone was fine with it.
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Crush 3/24/2019 4:17am
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Motofinne wrote:
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year. And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting...
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year.

And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting the "win". Have you all forgot the absolute outrage that came from when they took a win from Dungey when he jumped on the red cross flag? That is probably the reason why they have decided to go with this penalty the last couple of years.
Crush wrote:
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules...
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules. They bring more outrage with their knee-jerk inconsistencies than anything else.
Motofinne wrote:
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same...
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same penalty last year and everyone was fine with it.
This time was my point.

It's shit for Marvin but he did what he did and they did what the rulebook said to do.
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Motofinne wrote:
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year. And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting...
Well at least the AMA/FIM are consistent. Jeremy Martin got the exact same penalty last year.

And i have one thing to say about Marvin getting the "win". Have you all forgot the absolute outrage that came from when they took a win from Dungey when he jumped on the red cross flag? That is probably the reason why they have decided to go with this penalty the last couple of years.
Crush wrote:
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules...
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules. They bring more outrage with their knee-jerk inconsistencies than anything else.
Motofinne wrote:
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same...
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same penalty last year and everyone was fine with it.
Yes they followed the rule book THIS time, but were very slow in doing so.
It's all the other inconsistencies that gives everyone the shits.
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Jasper125 3/24/2019 4:26am
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So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under the red cross so i can win that doesn't seem safe to me...
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motosmith 3/24/2019 4:41am
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Texas Built wrote:
So in other word, if you see the red cross flag, ignore it because nothing happens if you do.
Exactly. If your 10th in points and points don't matter, ignore the red cross and keep it pinned.
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Jasper125 wrote:
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under...
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under the red cross so i can win that doesn't seem safe to me...
Good point
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Man, I’m so pissed and so happy. Glad Webb maintains a safe lead in the points; Pissed Ken lost; Pissed Marv made a dumb mistake; Glad...
Man, I’m so pissed and so happy. Glad Webb maintains a safe lead in the points; Pissed Ken lost; Pissed Marv made a dumb mistake; Glad Marv did a healclicker; Glad Ricky is announcing, but pissed at Ricky’s stories; Glad it didn’t rain; Super pissed Reed is hurt; Pissed even more Chad lost the title in 2011; Pissed Chad crashed in Arlington in 2012; Sick to my stomach Hill has been sick to his stomach; Shommer F’in Shabbos! Okay, that felt good to get all that out. I’m stoked we have live racing (I’m being ridiculous and not serious, btw. I just get amused at how much moaning goes on here).
Give it up boys, Hank just won this thread! Good job Hank, now come on over to Ohio and I’ll give you a few championship beers. Tongue
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Crossup 3/24/2019 4:54am
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So many moto snowflakes in this thread, haha...
wired4speed 3/24/2019 4:57am
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Fair call based on the rule book ... the fastest rider won the race
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crusty_xx 3/24/2019 4:59am
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Are you guys really saying 7 points is too less of a penalty? That's insane. He's very likely gonna Lose the championship because of that, if Webb doesn't F up
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Motofinne 3/24/2019 5:07am
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Jasper125 wrote:
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under...
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under the red cross so i can win that doesn't seem safe to me...
In theory possible but i doubt that anyone would do that on purpose. I imagine that the riders aren't complete assholes and morally corrupt human beings that anyone would do that and risk a hurt rider on the ground.
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JustMX 3/24/2019 5:11am
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VRR7 wrote:
https://motocrossactionmag.com/did-you-know-the-amas-jumping-the-red-cr…

Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes.

Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example.

Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is the winner.

Kr is not sure.

The interview cw2 in case Marvin gets kicked out of the top 3.

And a 5 time champion, former team owner, and color announcer is saying that it would cost Marvin the win.

Maybe not all of us keep up with rule modification. It really isn't our job.

However, if you are a professional rider making a very good living in our sport, a color announcer that is there to give insight, or a producer directing interviews, it would be nice if you know what is going on.
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Jasper125 3/24/2019 5:15am
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So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under...
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under the red cross so i can win that doesn't seem safe to me...
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping under the red cross flag in a heat or an lcq they cant cut the points in that situation. That will add up on the inconsistency from ama having a rule with 2 different outcomes depending on the type of race...
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KTMmarkus 3/24/2019 5:21am
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So he sees the Red Cross flag and singles the first two jumps and doubles past the downed rider and doubles again......yet instead of following their...
So he sees the Red Cross flag and singles the first two jumps and doubles past the downed rider and doubles again......yet instead of following their rule book. They make an exception? I am pretty certain a few other riders would have been docked the points, forfeited the win and made an example of.....but let’s just let it slide this time....

Shaking my head....
Did you not read a single comment in this thread? Following the rule book is exactly what they did.
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agn5009 3/24/2019 5:31am
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Crush wrote:
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules...
Who gives a fuck about outrage. Just follow the rule book, to the letter, without any greyness a s even if it’s shit it’s the rules. They bring more outrage with their knee-jerk inconsistencies than anything else.
Motofinne wrote:
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same...
But they gave Marvin exactly the penalty that is in the rulebook. I don't understand the issue? They followed the rulebook. Jeremy Martin got the same penalty last year and everyone was fine with it.
CPR wrote:
Yes they followed the rule book THIS time, but were very slow in doing so.
It's all the other inconsistencies that gives everyone the shits.
You’re just complaining just to complain now. Took too much time? Now you wanna whine because the crew reviewed the incident, discussed it and made a decision within a few hours? I don’t know the exact amount of time it took to hand down the penalty but it was under a few hours.

Then you’re complaining because they followed the rule book THIS time? Seriously? Why not whine when they don’t follow the rule book. why whine when they do it right?

My god. Bunch of damn whiners around here.
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agn5009 3/24/2019 5:34am
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Jasper125 wrote:
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under...
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under the red cross so i can win that doesn't seem safe to me...
Jasper125 wrote:
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping...
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping under the red cross flag in a heat or an lcq they cant cut the points in that situation. That will add up on the inconsistency from ama having a rule with 2 different outcomes depending on the type of race...
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury.

Also, why penalize Marvin twice? That makes no sense. They followed the rule book and penalized him appropriately. End of story.
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kkawboy14 3/24/2019 5:34am
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Nowhere in the “rules” does it say the rider will lose the points and money but “retain his finishing position”!

To lose 2 places worth of points plus 2, whatever that point total is should be his finishing position, wherever that point total lands him.

Sounds like just another rule that they save money paying to a rider, their rules always land on the side of them saving money and ripping off the riders. Do it like the Golf world does, split that cash between the top 3 or top 2 riders.
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parkman 3/24/2019 5:37am
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First off, I appreciate them following the rule book. But that is one DUMB rule. In this situation, it potentially drastically affected the outcome of the race. We all know pressure can impact performance significantly, and Marv would've felt a lot more pressure had he not gained that advantage. Kenny and Tomac would've had extra motivation I'm sure as well.

Marv gained an advantage for breaking the rules.. I think it would be like them not docking a position for going off track and gaining an advantage.(which according to the rules is 1 position minimum, but can be more based on the severity of the advantage gained according to Race Direction) But again, glad they followed the rulebook, but dumb rule imo..
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agn5009 3/24/2019 5:37am
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VRR7 wrote:
https://motocrossactionmag.com/did-you-know-the-amas-jumping-the-red-cr…
JustMX wrote:
Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes. Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example. Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is...

Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes.

Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example.

Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is the winner.

Kr is not sure.

The interview cw2 in case Marvin gets kicked out of the top 3.

And a 5 time champion, former team owner, and color announcer is saying that it would cost Marvin the win.

Maybe not all of us keep up with rule modification. It really isn't our job.

However, if you are a professional rider making a very good living in our sport, a color announcer that is there to give insight, or a producer directing interviews, it would be nice if you know what is going on.
Have you ever watched an NFL game? When a player is hit with an unnecessary roughness penalty does the announcer know what that players fine or penalty is gonna be after the game? No? I didn’t think so. Why would you expect Carmichael to know what the penalty is gonna be? He’s there to announce the race action, not know the AMA rule book down to a T.
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dirtbikersa 3/24/2019 5:41am
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Wonder if Marvin still gets the win bonus for race and from KTM?!
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drt410 3/24/2019 5:42am
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mx617 wrote:
Dafuq is everyone so pissy about? He got penalized exactly what the rulebook states. Instead of a 7 point gap it stays at 14. You guys...
Dafuq is everyone so pissy about? He got penalized exactly what the rulebook states. Instead of a 7 point gap it stays at 14. You guys wants him hung and quartered? Or you just want to make up rules for the guy you don't like?
Ppl here need to bitch after every single race. If ANYTHING happens, bitching ensues, even tho all the right calls have been made. Vital = the aids that is comment sections turned into an mx website. Ppl dont even know what theyre mad about right now and literally whichever side happens the ppl on the other side bitch.. lose lose. wahhhhhhhh...
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VRR7 wrote:
https://motocrossactionmag.com/did-you-know-the-amas-jumping-the-red-cr…
JustMX wrote:
Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes. Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example. Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is...

Our sport sure looks amateur sometimes.

Nobody knowing what was going on last night is the perfect example.

Interview marv, he doesn't know if he is the winner.

Kr is not sure.

The interview cw2 in case Marvin gets kicked out of the top 3.

And a 5 time champion, former team owner, and color announcer is saying that it would cost Marvin the win.

Maybe not all of us keep up with rule modification. It really isn't our job.

However, if you are a professional rider making a very good living in our sport, a color announcer that is there to give insight, or a producer directing interviews, it would be nice if you know what is going on.
agn5009 wrote:
Have you ever watched an NFL game? When a player is hit with an unnecessary roughness penalty does the announcer know what that players fine or...
Have you ever watched an NFL game? When a player is hit with an unnecessary roughness penalty does the announcer know what that players fine or penalty is gonna be after the game? No? I didn’t think so. Why would you expect Carmichael to know what the penalty is gonna be? He’s there to announce the race action, not know the AMA rule book down to a T.
Uh yeah, they usually have a pretty good idea within a minute of it happening. You know why? Because the commentators are actually great at there jobs. Not to mention the refs do a much better job at having some kind of standard when it comes to making calls. They do however slip now and then.
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Nowhere in the “rules” does it say the rider will lose the points and money but “retain his finishing position”!
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Jasper125 3/24/2019 5:44am
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So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under...
So lets say any rider out of the top 5 points will go just for a win bonus they can say fuck it im jumping under the red cross so i can win that doesn't seem safe to me...
Jasper125 wrote:
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping...
In addition to this they also should dock him the time that he made up in that section. What does the rule book say about jumping under the red cross flag in a heat or an lcq they cant cut the points in that situation. That will add up on the inconsistency from ama having a rule with 2 different outcomes depending on the type of race...
agn5009 wrote:
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury. Also, why...
Stop trying to hand Roczen the win by technicality. I’m sure Roczen doesn’t want to be gifted his first win since returning from injury.

Also, why penalize Marvin twice? That makes no sense. They followed the rule book and penalized him appropriately. End of story.
I don't want Roczen to win i want Roczen to beat everybody straight up also i want a fair rule that makes sense neither happend in Seattle.
crusty_xx 3/24/2019 5:45am
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dirtbikersa wrote:
Wonder if Marvin still gets the win bonus for race and from KTM?!
I don't see any reason why he shouldn't.
But he's probably more concerned about the bonus money for the title that he's getting a step closer to losing
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bultokid 3/24/2019 5:45am
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Fanboys are in pure meltdown mode. The 7 points are what matter the most....great season so far
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