TOMAC 2 PTS DOWN?!

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MOTO732 2/11/2019 7:39am
2/11/2019 7:39am
Kawasaki letting Tomac go? Ummm, no. He's not going anywhere. Kawi will lock him down with the next contract for the rest of his career.
dutch_rider 2/11/2019 7:54am
2/11/2019 7:54am
Kawasaki letting Savatgy go for AC? That would a HUGE gamble. Savatgy is a solid top 5-8 guy and AC is winning or crashing his brains out.

What i think will happen:
Factory kawi with Tomac and Savatgy
HRC with Roczen and AC

Seely moving to MCR.
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shaffstall721 2/11/2019 7:57am
2/11/2019 7:57am
MOTO732 wrote:
Kawasaki letting Tomac go? Ummm, no. He's not going anywhere. Kawi will lock him down with the next contract for the rest of his career.
I would love to see Tomac on a different bike personally-- Honda, KTM or Husky.
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Teej317 2/11/2019 8:03am
2/11/2019 8:03am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2019 8:06am
Wow. Silly season truly does come earlier and earlier. I'll play along.... I agree with dutch_rider, I think Savatgy is doing well enough to keep his ride and I can't see Kawi letting Eli go. Same with Honda...they have remained true to Kenny through it all. I see AC and Kenny on American Honda next year. Seely is going to have to drop down to a "satellite" team. Maybe BTO KTM? Big rig Benny has to find a new home?

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SlasherMcGee 2/11/2019 9:30am
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If you think Tomac could be out the door at Kawi, I dare wonder what you think KTM will do with Musquin!
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decano51 2/11/2019 10:06am
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AC92 to take seeleys ride next year. I’m a huge seeley fan but I see AC92 needing a change and fitting in well with Honda. Plus 92 & 94 on the bikes next to each other is pretty cool.

Savatgy and Tomac won’t be going any where.


Also, join the group below to talk about supercross through the season ??


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tingo 2/11/2019 10:22am
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decano51 wrote:
AC92 to take seeleys ride next year. I’m a huge seeley fan but I see AC92 needing a change and fitting in well with Honda. Plus...
AC92 to take seeleys ride next year. I’m a huge seeley fan but I see AC92 needing a change and fitting in well with Honda. Plus 92 & 94 on the bikes next to each other is pretty cool.

Savatgy and Tomac won’t be going any where.


Also, join the group below to talk about supercross through the season ??


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Why does anyone need to join your FB group to talk Supercross when we're already on Vital? You've been posting it in every thread.
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Polishhammer 2/11/2019 10:27am
2/11/2019 10:27am
MOTO732 wrote:
Kawasaki letting Tomac go? Ummm, no. He's not going anywhere. Kawi will lock him down with the next contract for the rest of his career.
shaffstall721 wrote:
I would love to see Tomac on a different bike personally-- Honda, KTM or Husky.
I agree. 2015 mx on that Honda for the first two rounds was incredible! He looked great on the crf450r. Let’s not talk about the Thunder Valley crash! What a stupid crash that was.
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Who doesn’t like pizza and naps? Haha
I hate naps. I'll play some rocket league and order a pizza. But ultimately... It doesn't really matter...
dirtwalker 2/11/2019 2:04pm
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Nah he’s gonna be fine. Kawi letting go of Ricky for James and James for Villipoto made sense. Ricky wanted more than they were willing to...
Nah he’s gonna be fine. Kawi letting go of Ricky for James and James for Villipoto made sense. Ricky wanted more than they were willing to pay him, and when Monster singed with Kawasaki in 2008 it caused a big stink because James was a Red Bull athlete. James was being a jerk off that year and putting towels over the monster logo on his bike on the podiums. Both those guys were kinda leaving on their own and their replacements were promising. I mean honestly who would you replace Tomac with? Webb has stated multiple times that he’s where he wants to be. Marvin is a Red Bull athlete and will retire at KTM. Kenny is a Red Bull athlete which means the only place he can be is ktm (burnt bridge with Aldon) JGR Suzuki (burnt bridge with Suzuki while at rch) or where he’s at. He can’t go to Yamaha or Kawi because of Monster and can’t go to Husqvarna because of Rockstar. Barcia isn’t as good as Tomac so that’s not happening and Anderson has another 2 years under contract at Husqvarna. Those are the only guys that can legit compete for a title at this point. Kawi will have a very tough decision though. If Adam wins the title (likely) Forkner wins the title (?) and Savatgy gets some top 5’s and finishes top 10 in points (likely) what do you do? I would personally keep Savatgy. He’s being a pretty solid “B” rider on that team so far. Adam is a complete unknown. I’d hate to be the one in charge of making that decision. Either way Kawi is losing 2 of 3 of their 250 guys on 450. I believe Adam will replace Seely at Honda. It makes the most sense. Has a good relationship with Kenny and Seely is kind of twilighting, assuming Joey keeps it rolling the way he is. I’d imagine JGR will be ready to spend some big money on Smith McElrath or Forkner. It’s not going to good over there. Yamaha I’m sure is happy with Barcia and just spent good money on AP. Husky has JA under contract and will likely keep Osborne until he retires. Marvin will stay put until he retires. I’m sure Kenny stays put. You have to think the only factory teams shopping is Honda replacing Seely, possibly Kawi replacing Joey and JGR looking for 2 new guys. I could see Joey going to JGR for big money but who knows?
The only thing i disagree with is the burnt bridges part (e.g. Kenny and Suzuki). Its business, new deals can be made. Not saying they will be though.
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Wells423 2/11/2019 2:26pm
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Wells423 wrote:
Nah he’s gonna be fine. Kawi letting go of Ricky for James and James for Villipoto made sense. Ricky wanted more than they were willing to...
Nah he’s gonna be fine. Kawi letting go of Ricky for James and James for Villipoto made sense. Ricky wanted more than they were willing to pay him, and when Monster singed with Kawasaki in 2008 it caused a big stink because James was a Red Bull athlete. James was being a jerk off that year and putting towels over the monster logo on his bike on the podiums. Both those guys were kinda leaving on their own and their replacements were promising. I mean honestly who would you replace Tomac with? Webb has stated multiple times that he’s where he wants to be. Marvin is a Red Bull athlete and will retire at KTM. Kenny is a Red Bull athlete which means the only place he can be is ktm (burnt bridge with Aldon) JGR Suzuki (burnt bridge with Suzuki while at rch) or where he’s at. He can’t go to Yamaha or Kawi because of Monster and can’t go to Husqvarna because of Rockstar. Barcia isn’t as good as Tomac so that’s not happening and Anderson has another 2 years under contract at Husqvarna. Those are the only guys that can legit compete for a title at this point. Kawi will have a very tough decision though. If Adam wins the title (likely) Forkner wins the title (?) and Savatgy gets some top 5’s and finishes top 10 in points (likely) what do you do? I would personally keep Savatgy. He’s being a pretty solid “B” rider on that team so far. Adam is a complete unknown. I’d hate to be the one in charge of making that decision. Either way Kawi is losing 2 of 3 of their 250 guys on 450. I believe Adam will replace Seely at Honda. It makes the most sense. Has a good relationship with Kenny and Seely is kind of twilighting, assuming Joey keeps it rolling the way he is. I’d imagine JGR will be ready to spend some big money on Smith McElrath or Forkner. It’s not going to good over there. Yamaha I’m sure is happy with Barcia and just spent good money on AP. Husky has JA under contract and will likely keep Osborne until he retires. Marvin will stay put until he retires. I’m sure Kenny stays put. You have to think the only factory teams shopping is Honda replacing Seely, possibly Kawi replacing Joey and JGR looking for 2 new guys. I could see Joey going to JGR for big money but who knows?
dirtwalker wrote:
The only thing i disagree with is the burnt bridges part (e.g. Kenny and Suzuki). Its business, new deals can be made. Not saying they will...
The only thing i disagree with is the burnt bridges part (e.g. Kenny and Suzuki). Its business, new deals can be made. Not saying they will be though.
Very true! I don’t mean to say it’s not possible, just wouldn’t make as much sense as staying with HRC. Reed definitely reminds us every season that burnt bridges can be rebuilt! I think Kenny more went after RCH than Suzuki. It wasn’t a pretty break up either way, neither was Aldon.
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FlickitFlat 2/11/2019 2:27pm
2/11/2019 2:27pm
I wish Tomac would leave Kawi and go to KTM so Baker could turn him into a champion. Silly
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inthebadboycorner 2/11/2019 5:39pm
2/11/2019 5:39pm
I am a bit confused about Eli being 2 points down,
I thought Ken was 2 points up?
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RandyS 2/12/2019 9:14am
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There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them do, and if neither of them does this year I don't think there's much of a chance that either does ever.
RichardLoots 2/12/2019 10:20am
2/12/2019 10:20am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2019 10:22am
RandyS wrote:
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them...
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them do, and if neither of them does this year I don't think there's much of a chance that either does ever.
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship

Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ...


Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000

Jeff Emig 26 years, 5 months, 16 days 1997

Ricky Carmichael 26 years, 5 months, 9 days 2006

Ryan Dungey 26 years, 5 months, 3 days 2016

Chad Reed 26 years, 1 month, 18 days 2008

Jeff Ward 25 years, 11 months, 26 days 1987

Ryan Villopoto​ 25 years, 8 months, 20 days​ 2014​
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mx 219 2/12/2019 11:43am
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RandyS wrote:
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them...
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them do, and if neither of them does this year I don't think there's much of a chance that either does ever.
RichardLoots wrote:
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ... Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000...
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship

Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ...


Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000

Jeff Emig 26 years, 5 months, 16 days 1997

Ricky Carmichael 26 years, 5 months, 9 days 2006

Ryan Dungey 26 years, 5 months, 3 days 2016

Chad Reed 26 years, 1 month, 18 days 2008

Jeff Ward 25 years, 11 months, 26 days 1987

Ryan Villopoto​ 25 years, 8 months, 20 days​ 2014​
But who was the oldest to win thieir first championship (450/250 championship, not regional) ? I would imagine most were around 20-22 when they won their first title.
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WCRider 2/12/2019 12:23pm
2/12/2019 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 2/12/2019 12:32pm
RandyS wrote:
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them...
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them do, and if neither of them does this year I don't think there's much of a chance that either does ever.
RichardLoots wrote:
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ... Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000...
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship

Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ...


Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000

Jeff Emig 26 years, 5 months, 16 days 1997

Ricky Carmichael 26 years, 5 months, 9 days 2006

Ryan Dungey 26 years, 5 months, 3 days 2016

Chad Reed 26 years, 1 month, 18 days 2008

Jeff Ward 25 years, 11 months, 26 days 1987

Ryan Villopoto​ 25 years, 8 months, 20 days​ 2014​
mx 219 wrote:
But who was the oldest to win thieir first championship (450/250 championship, not regional) ? I would imagine most were around 20-22 when they won their...
But who was the oldest to win thieir first championship (450/250 championship, not regional) ? I would imagine most were around 20-22 when they won their first title.
Jeremy McGrath and Pierre Karsmakers. McGrath won his seventh championship at 28 years, 5 months, and 17 days old. Edit : My bad, i miss read your post. I would say Emig (At 26) but i m not sure.
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RichardLoots 2/12/2019 1:17pm
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RandyS wrote:
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them...
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them do, and if neither of them does this year I don't think there's much of a chance that either does ever.
RichardLoots wrote:
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ... Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000...
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship

Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ...


Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000

Jeff Emig 26 years, 5 months, 16 days 1997

Ricky Carmichael 26 years, 5 months, 9 days 2006

Ryan Dungey 26 years, 5 months, 3 days 2016

Chad Reed 26 years, 1 month, 18 days 2008

Jeff Ward 25 years, 11 months, 26 days 1987

Ryan Villopoto​ 25 years, 8 months, 20 days​ 2014​
mx 219 wrote:
But who was the oldest to win thieir first championship (450/250 championship, not regional) ? I would imagine most were around 20-22 when they won their...
But who was the oldest to win thieir first championship (450/250 championship, not regional) ? I would imagine most were around 20-22 when they won their first title.
Pierre Karsmakers { a dutchie Tongue ) won the very first and his only SX title in 1974 ... he was 27 years and 10 months

next in line must be Jeff Emig at 26 ...
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WCRider 2/12/2019 1:54pm
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RichardLoots wrote:
Pierre Karsmakers { a dutchie :P ) won the very first and his only SX title in 1974 ... he was 27 years and 10 months...
Pierre Karsmakers { a dutchie Tongue ) won the very first and his only SX title in 1974 ... he was 27 years and 10 months

next in line must be Jeff Emig at 26 ...
You right lootsy Wink
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RandyS 2/17/2019 11:07pm
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RandyS wrote:
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them...
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them do, and if neither of them does this year I don't think there's much of a chance that either does ever.
RichardLoots wrote:
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ... Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000...
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship

Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ...


Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000

Jeff Emig 26 years, 5 months, 16 days 1997

Ricky Carmichael 26 years, 5 months, 9 days 2006

Ryan Dungey 26 years, 5 months, 3 days 2016

Chad Reed 26 years, 1 month, 18 days 2008

Jeff Ward 25 years, 11 months, 26 days 1987

Ryan Villopoto​ 25 years, 8 months, 20 days​ 2014​
You don't have to agree with me but if Webb is the next step on the ladder then 3 and 94 have probably missed their window.
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Texas Built 2/17/2019 11:16pm
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skanteXwarrior69 wrote:
Who's next at Kawi if he can't get them the title? Is he done? What year will he retire if he's fading this bad?
You have shool tomorrow, go to bed.
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RichardLoots 2/18/2019 8:12am
2/18/2019 8:12am
RandyS wrote:
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them...
There's a decent chance that Tomac or Roczen wins the title before the ends of their careers. There's less of a chance that both of them do, and if neither of them does this year I don't think there's much of a chance that either does ever.
RichardLoots wrote:
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ... Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000...
Oldest Riders in the History to win a 250/450SX Championship

Tomac is 26 , Roczen 24 ...


Jeremy McGrath 28 years, 5 months, 17 days 2000

Jeff Emig 26 years, 5 months, 16 days 1997

Ricky Carmichael 26 years, 5 months, 9 days 2006

Ryan Dungey 26 years, 5 months, 3 days 2016

Chad Reed 26 years, 1 month, 18 days 2008

Jeff Ward 25 years, 11 months, 26 days 1987

Ryan Villopoto​ 25 years, 8 months, 20 days​ 2014​
RandyS wrote:
You don't have to agree with me but if Webb is the next step on the ladder then 3 and 94 have probably missed their window.
if Webb continues like this , i have to agree and Tomac and Roczen might never win a SX title ...

how weird would that be ... 2 amazing talents with lots of wins and no title

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