Feld may finally have to pay the racers

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RichieW13 2/4/2019 6:14pm
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RichieW13 wrote:
There are 10 outdoor rounds this year. If SX chooses to move from Anaheim to Rams stadium for one or both rounds, that would turn SX...
There are 10 outdoor rounds this year. If SX chooses to move from Anaheim to Rams stadium for one or both rounds, that would turn SX into 8 outdoor rounds.

And if SX moves from Sam Boyd to the new Raiders stadium (I think that one will have a roof), we can get down to 7 outdoor rounds.

How often is the weather really an issue for these outdoor rounds anyway? Maybe once per year on average?

Other currently unused domed stadiums this year:
St Louis
Tampa
New Orleans
San Antonio
Syracuse
Montreal
Toronto
Milwaukee
Seattle (Safeco field)
Miami

I think everything else is under 35,000 capacity.
GuyB wrote:
Tampa is an open stadium...or at least it was when we were there, last year. ;) Seattle's almost always an issue. My guess is that with...
Tampa is an open stadium...or at least it was when we were there, last year. Wink

Seattle's almost always an issue. My guess is that with where it falls during the season, it's too close to baseball to use Safeco.
The baseball stadium in Tampa has a done.
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lostboy819 2/4/2019 6:37pm
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Sierra Ranger wrote:
This is really pissing me off. It's always been completely obvious that Feld does not give a crap about the riders. I am tired of seeing...
This is really pissing me off. It's always been completely obvious that Feld does not give a crap about the riders. I am tired of seeing young men already facing incredible odds being treated like nothing more than cattle.
If this is the straw on the camel's back to start a rider's union- OF COURSE they should file a lawsuit if somebody doesn't pay damages. Nobody likes getting lawyers involved but they can't get away with just screwing everybody like this.
How is Trey's track safety organization doing these days? Didn't seem to get a lot of traction.
No one wanted to pay Trey and his track safety organization so he dropped it. He was not gonna work for free.
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RichieW13 wrote:
There are 10 outdoor rounds this year. If SX chooses to move from Anaheim to Rams stadium for one or both rounds, that would turn SX...
There are 10 outdoor rounds this year. If SX chooses to move from Anaheim to Rams stadium for one or both rounds, that would turn SX into 8 outdoor rounds.

And if SX moves from Sam Boyd to the new Raiders stadium (I think that one will have a roof), we can get down to 7 outdoor rounds.

How often is the weather really an issue for these outdoor rounds anyway? Maybe once per year on average?

Other currently unused domed stadiums this year:
St Louis
Tampa
New Orleans
San Antonio
Syracuse
Montreal
Toronto
Milwaukee
Seattle (Safeco field)
Miami

I think everything else is under 35,000 capacity.
GuyB wrote:
Tampa is an open stadium...or at least it was when we were there, last year. ;) Seattle's almost always an issue. My guess is that with...
Tampa is an open stadium...or at least it was when we were there, last year. Wink

Seattle's almost always an issue. My guess is that with where it falls during the season, it's too close to baseball to use Safeco.
Safeco is T-Mobile Park now. The Mariners ownership is really high society folks, they barely do concerts there. Also I think there is an issue with access to the field for equipment.
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I have had business dealings with Feld....they are the worst business folks I’ve ever come across. My guess is they will do absolutely NOTHING.

They absolutely do not care about people.

Unfortunately, the riders sign waivers.....they will cover their asses within the waivers, somehow.

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TbonesPop 2/4/2019 7:22pm
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oldnwise wrote:
I have had business dealings with Feld....they are the worst business folks I’ve ever come across. My guess is they will do absolutely NOTHING. They absolutely...
I have had business dealings with Feld....they are the worst business folks I’ve ever come across. My guess is they will do absolutely NOTHING.

They absolutely do not care about people.

Unfortunately, the riders sign waivers.....they will cover their asses within the waivers, somehow.

This isn't just a simple contract issue. If they do nothing, OSHA will get a hold of this (they likely will anyway) and they will fine them into the next century. Feld is screwed and if they are as spineless as you indicate, the companies working with them are also screwed because if they go down, they will take everybody with them.
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TbonesPop 2/4/2019 7:25pm
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OldYZRider1 wrote:
Of course if there wasn’t the rain then there wouldn’t have been the chemical burns? So maybe Feld just drops the open stadium rounds to avoid...
Of course if there wasn’t the rain then there wouldn’t have been the chemical burns? So maybe Feld just drops the open stadium rounds to avoid future problems and liability.
RichieW13 wrote:
That would mean no races in California. That's ~150,000 ticket buyers they'll need to replace, to get out of a state where it rarely rains. Good...
That would mean no races in California. That's ~150,000 ticket buyers they'll need to replace, to get out of a state where it rarely rains. Good luck.

OR, they could just outlaw the use of lime as a soil amendment and move to something safer and more responsible like other sports have done like Dirthut98 posted. Use safer materials, write SOPs, implement them, follow them, etc. This isn't rocket science. No need to ban outdoor venues, just change how they work the dirt.
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oldnwise 2/4/2019 7:25pm
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oldnwise wrote:
I have had business dealings with Feld....they are the worst business folks I’ve ever come across. My guess is they will do absolutely NOTHING. They absolutely...
I have had business dealings with Feld....they are the worst business folks I’ve ever come across. My guess is they will do absolutely NOTHING.

They absolutely do not care about people.

Unfortunately, the riders sign waivers.....they will cover their asses within the waivers, somehow.

TbonesPop wrote:
This isn't just a simple contract issue. If they do nothing, OSHA will get a hold of this (they likely will anyway) and they will fine...
This isn't just a simple contract issue. If they do nothing, OSHA will get a hold of this (they likely will anyway) and they will fine them into the next century. Feld is screwed and if they are as spineless as you indicate, the companies working with them are also screwed because if they go down, they will take everybody with them.
Time tells all...we will all see how spineless they are
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Pros an 50 riders dads an moms get a lawyer you will be paid with a gag order.
Guy you should help the peeps that made your web site # ban me
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Factory’s are all paid they don’t care it is Are privateers that can get screwed
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OldYZRider1 wrote:
Well Feld owns Monster Jam and many of the teams (trucks) and it seems to be very profitable for them. I fear SX is on a...
Well Feld owns Monster Jam and many of the teams (trucks) and it seems to be very profitable for them. I fear SX is on a path such that they may end up like MJ; less about the racing and more about the show.

Edit: missed your response enketchum. Apparently we're both thinking along the same lines.
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If Feld ever owns SX like they do Monster Jam it’s going to be a sad day in the dirtbike world. Monster Jam is a joke...
If Feld ever owns SX like they do Monster Jam it’s going to be a sad day in the dirtbike world. Monster Jam is a joke anymore. I’ve seen it first hand many times now
This is my guess but...

Every single OEM would pull out of the series within 5 minutes if that is in Felds plans. And unless Feld are willing to pay the riders the similar amount as the OEMs do, the riders will also be gone.
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I could be wrong but I believe the AMA still owns the rights to super cross and they contract with Feld to run the series. I think the AMA could go with another promoter when the FELD contract is up - but I doubt this matter is about that arrangement, its more of a mistake to try to save the track and it went horribly wrong. This is the first time in the history of Supercross that I have ever heard of riders getting burned and bikes getting totally distorted because of chemicals in the dirt.

When I was a kid we had a place in Long Beach we rode and it was a WW2 toxic waist area and you had to wash your bike right after you rode or it would corrode in a matter of hours. There was so much oil and crap in the dirt there was very little dust, even in the summer.
scott_nz 2/4/2019 10:36pm
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smrscott wrote:
I could be wrong but I believe the AMA still owns the rights to super cross and they contract with Feld to run the series. I...
I could be wrong but I believe the AMA still owns the rights to super cross and they contract with Feld to run the series. I think the AMA could go with another promoter when the FELD contract is up - but I doubt this matter is about that arrangement, its more of a mistake to try to save the track and it went horribly wrong. This is the first time in the history of Supercross that I have ever heard of riders getting burned and bikes getting totally distorted because of chemicals in the dirt.

When I was a kid we had a place in Long Beach we rode and it was a WW2 toxic waist area and you had to wash your bike right after you rode or it would corrode in a matter of hours. There was so much oil and crap in the dirt there was very little dust, even in the summer.
the reason the FIM is involved is because the AMA tried to go with another promotor a number of years ago when the contract was up,

fullfloater 2/5/2019 3:02am
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Feld is now requiring all gear to be treated with vinegar spray. Pays the riders but picks up a title vinegar sponsor and still comes out ahead. The rich get richer bro.
thephoenix 2/5/2019 5:48am
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OldYZRider1 wrote:
Well Feld owns Monster Jam and many of the teams (trucks) and it seems to be very profitable for them. I fear SX is on a...
Well Feld owns Monster Jam and many of the teams (trucks) and it seems to be very profitable for them. I fear SX is on a path such that they may end up like MJ; less about the racing and more about the show.

Edit: missed your response enketchum. Apparently we're both thinking along the same lines.
Jrewing wrote:
Being saying it for ages that a fucking circus promoter owns the rights to a world championship. Slightly off topic but it was gay me when...
Being saying it for ages that a fucking circus promoter owns the rights to a world championship.

Slightly off topic but it was gay me when Emig on the whisky throttle show referred to his championship as the Monster Sx title...
Back when Coors sponsored the series it was the AMA/Coors Light Supercross Series.....nothing new to this naming nomenclature. Bud Light, Marlboro, Camel, Johnson cigs,...all had their name as the title when they shelled out big bucks. It's called advertising.

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I know nothing, but I will be absolutely shocked if Feld does anything more than offer an apology to the racers. What motivation do they have to do anything more than that? All the riders are still going to show up to race. All the fans are still going to show up to watch the race.
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Can someone explain which people from Feld actually build and maintain the track? Feld is a promoter. I'd bet the people running Feld have no idea what lime is other than a lime in their martinis.
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Tarz483 2/5/2019 10:08am
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BobKerr wrote:
I know nothing, but I will be absolutely shocked if Feld does anything more than offer an apology to the racers. What motivation do they have...
I know nothing, but I will be absolutely shocked if Feld does anything more than offer an apology to the racers. What motivation do they have to do anything more than that? All the riders are still going to show up to race. All the fans are still going to show up to watch the race.
What they have to gain is to possibly avoid some lawsuits.
Imo i would think it would be in there best interest to put this to bed right now.
Offer some compensation and make everyone that takes the compensation sign paperwork that they cannot sue now or ever.
Give the little ones the bike they raced.
Buy KTM some new 50's
And pay for repairs on all the other bikes, that could save them millions in the future imo.
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Tarz483 2/5/2019 10:10am
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77Moto wrote:
Can someone explain which people from Feld actually build and maintain the track? Feld is a promoter. I'd bet the people running Feld have no idea...
Can someone explain which people from Feld actually build and maintain the track? Feld is a promoter. I'd bet the people running Feld have no idea what lime is other than a lime in their martinis.
Good point , so does the track building company get in trouble?
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oldnwise 2/5/2019 10:23am
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77Moto wrote:
Can someone explain which people from Feld actually build and maintain the track? Feld is a promoter. I'd bet the people running Feld have no idea...
Can someone explain which people from Feld actually build and maintain the track? Feld is a promoter. I'd bet the people running Feld have no idea what lime is other than a lime in their martinis.
You are brilliant, but incorrect
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OldYZRider1 wrote:
Of course if there wasn’t the rain then there wouldn’t have been the chemical burns? So maybe Feld just drops the open stadium rounds to avoid...
Of course if there wasn’t the rain then there wouldn’t have been the chemical burns? So maybe Feld just drops the open stadium rounds to avoid future problems and liability.
A lot easier and cheaper- simply use the right type, and amount, of lime next time around.... or to simply ban the addition of lime to their dirt.....
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RichieW13 wrote:
That would mean no races in California. That's ~150,000 ticket buyers they'll need to replace, to get out of a state where it rarely rains. Good...
That would mean no races in California. That's ~150,000 ticket buyers they'll need to replace, to get out of a state where it rarely rains. Good luck.

I guess it may depend on how big of an issue this becomes for Feld. I personally think that they're covered by insurance for this eventuality, but if the involved parties insurance companies go at each other trying to lay blame and involve the city in the squabble, I think its possible San Diego could evict the SX round from their stadium. I think SD receives noise complaints from it already so it may not take much to push them into that decision. Its a bit of a stretch to consider this result as I imagine the SD round is pretty popular due to its southern CA location and its history supplying top riders in US motocross, but it's still CA with its liberal political leanings so you never know.
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BobKerr wrote:
I know nothing, but I will be absolutely shocked if Feld does anything more than offer an apology to the racers. What motivation do they have...
I know nothing, but I will be absolutely shocked if Feld does anything more than offer an apology to the racers. What motivation do they have to do anything more than that? All the riders are still going to show up to race. All the fans are still going to show up to watch the race.
If only they realised haha

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