Herlings is top level

Brownstone322 8/6/2018 10:42am
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Hyper fast but not the most beautifull to watch in my opinion. Looks square and massive on the bike to me. This is not Roczen for...
Hyper fast but not the most beautifull to watch in my opinion. Looks square and massive on the bike to me. This is not Roczen for sure...

The next big name in Europa is Prado.
Ya know, this is a fair point. I think people are delusional if they don't recognize that Herlings is the fastest guy on the planet. Remember how easily he blew by Tomac on the first lap at Ironman after Tomac took the holeshot? Ho hum, same as any other race, same as the second moto at Lommel yesterday, same as an MX2 race. He's just on another level.

But, somehow, he's not the most graceful-looking guy on a bike. He looks bigger than he is. I still can't quite figure out how he does it, because it's not strictly poetry in motion.

But I think I get this part: His size and strength pay off over the course of a moto. If he's not winning by the end of the first lap, he's probably gonna wear your ass down over the long run.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Roczen is 5 months older than Herlings.
... an eternity in MX
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Park Boys 8/6/2018 10:48am
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Roczen is 5 months older than Herlings.
DPR250R wrote:
... an eternity in MX
When your 9.
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Park Boys 8/6/2018 11:04am
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DPR250R wrote:
... an eternity in MX
Park Boys wrote:
When your 9.
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You're



Evil sorry, I had to
Damn it I just said my grammar sucks!
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RichardLoots 8/6/2018 11:05am
8/6/2018 11:05am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Roczen is 5 months older than Herlings.
DPR250R wrote:
... an eternity in MX
Park Boys wrote:
When your 9.
Roczen was a season ahead ..thats a lot when at that young age , look at Prado last season and this season
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Brownstone322 8/6/2018 11:36am
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RichardLoots wrote:
Roczen was a season ahead ..thats a lot when at that young age , look at Prado last season and this season
Do you remember when Prado (then "Prado Garcia") made his MX2 debut two years ago at Assen? He won the qualifying race on Saturday, then, in the second moto, he gave Herlings fits before he finally surrendered the lead and finished second. I was thinking his last name was "Prodigy." (Yeah, I know, Herlings was just back from injury, but I was duly impressed nonetheless.) But Prado didn't do shit for the remaining races in 2016. Judging riders as teenagers is a crapshoot.

I don't care what Musquin and Roczen and Herlings did seven/eight/nine years ago as kids. Jordi Tixier used to look like a talent too. But I'm pretty sure I know where they all stack up now.

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RichardLoots 8/6/2018 11:51am
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RichardLoots wrote:
Roczen was a season ahead ..thats a lot when at that young age , look at Prado last season and this season
Brownstone322 wrote:
Do you remember when Prado (then "Prado Garcia") made his MX2 debut two years ago at Assen? He won the qualifying race on Saturday, then, in...
Do you remember when Prado (then "Prado Garcia") made his MX2 debut two years ago at Assen? He won the qualifying race on Saturday, then, in the second moto, he gave Herlings fits before he finally surrendered the lead and finished second. I was thinking his last name was "Prodigy." (Yeah, I know, Herlings was just back from injury, but I was duly impressed nonetheless.) But Prado didn't do shit for the remaining races in 2016. Judging riders as teenagers is a crapshoot.

I don't care what Musquin and Roczen and Herlings did seven/eight/nine years ago as kids. Jordi Tixier used to look like a talent too. But I'm pretty sure I know where they all stack up now.

and what has that got to do with my point ? all i said a season ahead makes a big difference
and has nothing to do with Prado ,Tixier or who ever ...it was about Herlings and Roczen






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Park Boys 8/6/2018 11:59am
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RichardLoots wrote:
Roczen was a season ahead ..thats a lot when at that young age , look at Prado last season and this season
Brownstone322 wrote:
Do you remember when Prado (then "Prado Garcia") made his MX2 debut two years ago at Assen? He won the qualifying race on Saturday, then, in...
Do you remember when Prado (then "Prado Garcia") made his MX2 debut two years ago at Assen? He won the qualifying race on Saturday, then, in the second moto, he gave Herlings fits before he finally surrendered the lead and finished second. I was thinking his last name was "Prodigy." (Yeah, I know, Herlings was just back from injury, but I was duly impressed nonetheless.) But Prado didn't do shit for the remaining races in 2016. Judging riders as teenagers is a crapshoot.

I don't care what Musquin and Roczen and Herlings did seven/eight/nine years ago as kids. Jordi Tixier used to look like a talent too. But I'm pretty sure I know where they all stack up now.

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and what has that got to do with my point ? all i said a season ahead makes a big difference and has nothing to do...
and what has that got to do with my point ? all i said a season ahead makes a big difference
and has nothing to do with Prado ,Tixier or who ever ...it was about Herlings and Roczen






You should have kept the Forkner part in! Some people give you shit for being a Herlings only guy and your not. You like the sport and general and have good banter with everyone for the most part. Obviously Herlings is your guy and it's pretty good guy to stand behind but in general I like your posting and banter back and forth. My useless opinion for what it's worth anyways!
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Brownstone322 8/6/2018 12:00pm
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and what has that got to do with my point ? all i said a season ahead makes a big difference and has nothing to do...
and what has that got to do with my point ? all i said a season ahead makes a big difference
and has nothing to do with Prado ,Tixier or who ever ...it was about Herlings and Roczen






The point was that the development of young riders can be -- and often is -- erractic, and when people start reaching back into the teen years -- and they do it here in reference to Herlings vs. Roczen vs. Musquin all the time, as if it proves something -- it's actually close to meaningless now.

How was that not clear? Which part of that do I have to diagram for you?
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akillerwombat 8/6/2018 12:06pm
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Crazy line.

Reminds me of Tomac hitting the rock hip jump at Glen Helen a few years ago.
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Park Boys 8/6/2018 12:10pm
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Brownstone322 wrote:
The point was that the development of young riders can be -- and often is -- erractic, and when people start reaching back into the teen...
The point was that the development of young riders can be -- and often is -- erractic, and when people start reaching back into the teen years -- and they do it here in reference to Herlings vs. Roczen vs. Musquin all the time, as if it proves something -- it's actually close to meaningless now.

How was that not clear? Which part of that do I have to diagram for you?
Disagree completely, when your 15 through 18 and your winning races off the bat your a bad dude. Musquin, Roczen and Herlings were winning nearly 10 years ago and there winning now. Completely relevant today. The last time Musquin and Herlings raced each other it was real close and they had not raced each other in years. If your a teen and your winning your a stud, espaiclly against full gates. When was the last time someone won 17 and under and wasn't a insanely talented throughout their career?
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RichardLoots 8/6/2018 12:13pm
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Park Boys wrote:
You should have kept the Forkner part in! Some people give you shit for being a Herlings only guy and your not. You like the sport...
You should have kept the Forkner part in! Some people give you shit for being a Herlings only guy and your not. You like the sport and general and have good banter with everyone for the most part. Obviously Herlings is your guy and it's pretty good guy to stand behind but in general I like your posting and banter back and forth. My useless opinion for what it's worth anyways!
yeah probably youre right ... should have kept Forkner in it Wink and yeah im a Herlings fan , so what ? most people on here should go and buy a mirror ... some Tomac fans for sure Tongue Tongue Tongue i'm dutch , direct and say it like it is and my english isnt that good but i'd like to think good enough for people to know what i mean
i only post in topics i think i have some knowledge or info about or share my opinion like most people on here

i like our banter and appreciate your opinion ..;thnx you could be dutch Wink
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RichardLoots 8/6/2018 12:22pm
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Brownstone322 wrote:
The point was that the development of young riders can be -- and often is -- erractic, and when people start reaching back into the teen...
The point was that the development of young riders can be -- and often is -- erractic, and when people start reaching back into the teen years -- and they do it here in reference to Herlings vs. Roczen vs. Musquin all the time, as if it proves something -- it's actually close to meaningless now.

How was that not clear? Which part of that do I have to diagram for you?
nahhhh im good , its just your opinion ...good for you
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crusty_xx 8/6/2018 12:25pm
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RichardLoots wrote:
Roczen was a season ahead ..thats a lot when at that young age , look at Prado last season and this season
Yeah it's crazy the progress they make at that age.
I remember seeing Herlings in Franciacorta at Mxdn 2009, he did close to nothing there for team NED while Roczen was battling for the MX2 win. One year later he already caught up to Roczen a lot and beat him easily in the sand.

Today I guess Jett Lawrence is that guy. Amazing the steps that he has made this year, in EMX and in Germany.
If Hunters not careful he won't be the top Lawrence brother anymore in a couple of years.
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Him in the sand is an incredible thing to watch no doubt.
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NateDawg 8/6/2018 12:44pm
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shaffstall721 wrote:
Pretty sure Herlings would have gave Roczen trouble if Roczen didn't come here. When Roczen came to the US Herlings was what 16?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Roczen is 5 months older than Herlings.
shaffstall721 wrote:
did not realize they were that close as far as age goes.
Yea, and for the most part Roczen was beating him before coming to the U.S. I don't know why people act like Herlings is a level way above a healthy Roczen. Their past results don't reflect that.
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MX690 8/6/2018 2:51pm
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He spends 365 days a year training MX. US boys train MX for how long? 4-5 months if that?
There was once a time when it was considered that one discipline would benefit the other, now it seems that one is detrimental to the other.
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ruy 8/6/2018 2:51pm
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He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once...
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once TC is done it’s going to get really boring in the GPs, as he’s the only one that can sort of keep him in sight.
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If that happens he should move to the US where theres more talent at his level and dabble in sx. That would be better than getting...
If that happens he should move to the US where theres more talent at his level and dabble in sx. That would be better than getting seemingly effortless wins.
He maybe only moved to the USA when Prado moved to MXGP and kicked his ass, the bad thing for him is that maybe Prado moves in later too, then Jeffry will return to Europe.
Prado is going to be a nightmare for some, Jonass already knows and Herlings already had a good dose in Assen 2016.

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crusty_xx 8/6/2018 4:01pm
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Flip109 wrote:
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once...
He’s def the best there is on an mx track. The bad part is there is nobody coming through the ranks that can challenge him. Once TC is done it’s going to get really boring in the GPs, as he’s the only one that can sort of keep him in sight.
kb228 wrote:
If that happens he should move to the US where theres more talent at his level and dabble in sx. That would be better than getting...
If that happens he should move to the US where theres more talent at his level and dabble in sx. That would be better than getting seemingly effortless wins.
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He maybe only moved to the USA when Prado moved to MXGP and kicked his ass, the bad thing for him is that maybe Prado moves...
He maybe only moved to the USA when Prado moved to MXGP and kicked his ass, the bad thing for him is that maybe Prado moves in later too, then Jeffry will return to Europe.
Prado is going to be a nightmare for some, Jonass already knows and Herlings already had a good dose in Assen 2016.

I like fan loyalty buy this guy takes it too far
Or maybe he's being ironic
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Bnagazina 8/6/2018 4:10pm
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Hyper fast but not the most beautifull to watch in my opinion. Looks square and massive on the bike to me. This is not Roczen for...
Hyper fast but not the most beautifull to watch in my opinion. Looks square and massive on the bike to me. This is not Roczen for sure...

The next big name in Europa is Prado.
I am glad he is not a horse jockey like the USA guys. The European guys seem to eat their potato’s and leave the kale to the side. I think it’s is a changing of the guard, just like when RC took the torch from Jeremy. I actually prefer this to having a decrease in performance due to retirements like we have with Dungey, RC, JS, and Villopoto. Eli is great, but I think RV4 and Dungey would make the series much more interesting if they had stuck around as long as AC222.
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What Is Zen 8/6/2018 4:17pm
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Eli tomac
Eli is at that elite level as well. I'm not interested in a debate over who is better because I don't think that question can be answered at the moment since they race different series, but I am looking forward to seeing them face off at the MXoN.
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RG1 8/6/2018 4:39pm
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Roczen is 5 months older than Herlings.
shaffstall721 wrote:
did not realize they were that close as far as age goes.
NateDawg wrote:
Yea, and for the most part Roczen was beating him before coming to the U.S. I don't know why people act like Herlings is a level...
Yea, and for the most part Roczen was beating him before coming to the U.S. I don't know why people act like Herlings is a level way above a healthy Roczen. Their past results don't reflect that.
I don't know if many people do act like Herlings is a level above Roczen at his best. I think Herlings now would certainly be a match for a pre-injury Roczen, but a level above? No way. Roczen is an incredible rider and is prooably the most complete outdoor rider in the world when 100%. Herlings will continue to improve though. He's a lot better now than he was last year, and he will probably be better again next year
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B DUB 333 8/6/2018 4:56pm
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OK, I'm going to lay out for you guys again- he's good, no doubt, but he's racing a guy who's at the tail end of his career, will get smoked at des nations by Eli and the rest of the mericans. And moved to the 450 class to get away from covington who he knew would blow his doors off. Class is now dismissed, don't make the "he's the fastest" mistake again.
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Js217 8/6/2018 4:58pm
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As far as mx goes herlings takes the cake simply because he has way more grit than tomac. Speed wise they are equal but tomac is weaker in mind and has much smaller gonads than herlings.
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B DUB 333 8/6/2018 5:16pm
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As far as mx goes herlings takes the cake simply because he has way more grit than tomac. Speed wise they are equal but tomac is...
As far as mx goes herlings takes the cake simply because he has way more grit than tomac. Speed wise they are equal but tomac is weaker in mind and has much smaller gonads than herlings.
Have you seen both of their sacks sigmund? Moto may be the wrong sport for you. Have you considered phillipino slap boxing?
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plowboy 8/6/2018 5:35pm
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Never gonna happen but I'd love to see KTM send Jeffy to the nationals next year. Just to end the entire argument. My money would be on Herlings but who knows what Eli has in the tank when really pushed. It'd be cool though.
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ATKpilot99 8/6/2018 5:38pm
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Never gonna happen but I'd love to see KTM send Jeffy to the nationals next year. Just to end the entire argument. My money would be...
Never gonna happen but I'd love to see KTM send Jeffy to the nationals next year. Just to end the entire argument. My money would be on Herlings but who knows what Eli has in the tank when really pushed. It'd be cool though.
I'd rather see Tomac go to the GPs.
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Paul333 8/6/2018 6:00pm
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Herlings is certainly the fastest guy in the GP’s, and maybe the world. Only Tomac has his speed. Let’s see how a motivated & not worried about throwing away a championship Tomac can run with him.
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Js217 8/6/2018 7:38pm
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Js217 wrote:
As far as mx goes herlings takes the cake simply because he has way more grit than tomac. Speed wise they are equal but tomac is...
As far as mx goes herlings takes the cake simply because he has way more grit than tomac. Speed wise they are equal but tomac is weaker in mind and has much smaller gonads than herlings.
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Have you seen both of their sacks sigmund? Moto may be the wrong sport for you. Have you considered phillipino slap boxing?
Uhm idk, have you seen herlings sweep multiple motos against a 9 time reigning champion i have. You know what else i see....... i see tomac pissing a sx title away because of a "shoulder contusion". Point prove. Now with that being said is still best on the planet right now ONLY BECAUSE HE RACES SUPERCROSS.
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