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School gets out at, lets say 2:30. By 3 PM that place is a ghost town. Usually its the office staff that sticks around. Typically they work year round anyway. Doesn't matter what district, what demographic, what age group.
my ex girlfriend's mom was a 9th grade teacher and it was stupid how much work she did at home. i would say from about 4 until 8 every night she was grading papers and setting up for the next day. every weekend she spent at least 4 hours per day getting the next weeks work ready. she was a damn good teacher, made shit money (husband made insane money, is a higher up at LIFETIME Products, and just genuinely wanted to make a difference.
Walk through these schools in 5 years and see a 100 million dollar school look just like the 70 year old shithole it replaced because a) the students don't care, b) the administration doesn't care, c) the board doesn't care because the state just gave us a new building and it didn't cost us a cent.
Yet the same districts are sub 50% high school graduation. And where is the local taxpayer money going? Well certainly not the buildings or teachers.
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Not saying this is true across the board, but you certainly can't argue that it exists.
No one is saying they don't work hard but Anyone working a career nowadays knows the truth, teachers are not the only ones where you work weekends, holidays, etc. Try having a work phone and taking calls 24/7 trouble shooting problems when you are "off" or having to run to the shop at a drop of a hat ( 2am in the morning just one example) for less benefits and pay. I would love to be able to sit home and grade papers on my own pace and terms but this is the career path I took just like teachers.
Does the lesson plan change year to year? I would think once a teacher has 4th grade history figured out it doesn't change year to year but I could be wrong...
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not accusing them of being lazy, or saying that they are overpaid or anything. But the majority of the ones that I know who consistently work evenings and weekends do so in an extracurricular position for which they receive a stipend, like a coaching position.
Teachers have an incredibly difficult job, but the notion that they work more hours per year than the average full time employee is a huge stretch. Most are contracted for about 185 days a year at about 7 hours a day. Just about 1300 hours a year. That’s about 800 hours a year less than a full time, 40 hour a week job. Yes, most teachers put in a bit more than 7 hours a day on average, but the notion of them working 12 hours a day, 52 weeks a year is folly.
My experience w/ teacher strikes is being on the student end of them. It sucks being a student and being forced to go to school during the summer because two groups of people cant have an effective conversation. That's where my frustration comes from and why I have the viewpoint I do.
And as far as whether or not they should be paid more or not, (in reply to your first post in this thread) I think they should be paid more. I also think most other college educated positions deserve higher starting pay. (that's a long topic that I don't have the time nor care to further explain my point.)
Another thing most people don't take into consideration is the excellent healthcare programs teachers get (at least in PA)
Sorry for the random sporadic thoughts laid out in one post. I hope you reply. I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
You haven't covered anything imo.
How in the world can you claim to know what 99.9 % of what any group of people do?
How do you know what the vast majority of teachers do on the the 3 month break they get?
You work at NSA or something?
You imply, no, you state we are ignorant.
Now tell me Mr. Shining Star, how are you so all knowing?
What gives you the right to demean and act so self righteous?
Where are your references?
That your wife is a teacher, or your parents were, is but a micro glimpse of the total picture.
Fact remains, they get a ton of time off.
They don't get dirty.
They don't lift.
They don't deal with life threatening jobs.
That they have to deal with assholes, cry me a river, what job doesn't.
If your whole argument rests on having to take home all this work, ones advice, take a course in time management.
Grade the papers at work, knock off at 4:30, and go home.
Like the rest do.
For example, since teachers here don't pay into social security, they are somehow not able to collect that of their spouse in case of their death, or some other unforeseen circumstances. Similarly, they are completely locked into their career, because if they were to switch and start paying into SS, they forfeit all of the retirement they had earned previously. It's beyond fucked, hopefully it isn't like that in all states.
The other thing is the emotional tole. Kids these days (and believe me I know, I graduated HS about 5 years ago) are beyond pieces of shit, it's unreal what these bastards get away with. They know damn well the schools have absolutely no leg to stand on with discipline, and the parents have no problem cruising onto campus and berating a teacher because their POS kid isn't getting good grades or is getting in trouble. Then you have the fun of social justice groups suing you when your referral percentages don't match that of your race demographics, so schools have to be careful about who they write up for discipline and who gets let go. It's beyond a cluster, and if half of the things that went on were public knowledge it would be pretty easy to understand why our schools underperform.
I just feel like the chances of something happening at a private school are far less likely than in a public school. A lot of kids (not all) who have issues tend to be from broken and poor families. There aren't many broken poor families at our private Christian school.
From what I can gather it's around $12k per year per kid at our christian school. We currently have 2 kids and we planned on one more. Looks like we won't be having another if we go the private route.
Here in KY the majority of the protest are about the pension being cut. The pension is a really good perk of being a teacher but now with the cut, they are having to fund their own retirement.
I get it a lot of people don’t have a pension and they have a 401k. But they don’t make enough to set back a comfortable amount. Also they don’t pay into social security so they will not get it when their older. So they rely on that pension. But now it looks like it may possibly be gone.
So strangle the teachers with regulation.( No child left behind. ) now cut their benefits.....
You can’t make a kid want to learn. If Tommy doesn’t wanna learn...he isn’t going to. And he isn’t going to score to a par level that’s mandated from the fed so no child is left behind.
I had a great computer science teacher who taught his own classes on web design and c++. I saw him around a year ago and he said they don’t offer any classes like that anymore. 1. They can’t because they’re stuck to a certain agenda they need to hit. And 2. The kids won’t sign up for anything difficult even if he was offering electives. Kinda made me sick, writing computer programs made me think through steps. And we had fun doing it. I graduated in 2005.
I Wouldn’t wanna be a teacher today. Sucks. Computer teacher doesn’t teach anymore. He just manages school network now.
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Parking lots full of shit cars when they started. Not as bad as some of the horror stories u hear out of the States, but not great pay for a tough job, if you do it right.
Then Teachers made some moves.
Many ran and got into politics and some were elected.
Plus, they were broke anyway, so they threw a few more dollars in and built a very strong union.
Strong union plus political strength, parking lots looks great now.
Teachers are in a good bargaining position, parents don’t want their kids home all day.
But the costs are insane. We have four kids and we are trying to figure out if there is any way to send our kids. Pre-k alone is 10k. Which I’m not saying is totally worth it at that age. But you know, you get what you pay for.
A Christian foundation for our children is important to us. I didn’t have that growing up and my parents regret it. I’m not super religious but I’ve jumped in with both feet recently. Already feel like it’s making a positive difference in my life.
75-83k salary range. Jesus. I’d imagine those are the top earners? What are the bottom feeders taking in ?
And what specific methods of teaching are not allowed by what specific regulations? When I hear that sort of thing, the person making the claim can never seem to identify specifics, which makes it sound like a cop out excuse and nothing else.
A 40 hour per week job for an hourly worker is 2080 hours a year. But teachers are salary employees, which generally work more than 40 hours per week. A salary employee averaging 45 hours a week would be 2340 hours. 50 hours a week (more likely) would be 2600 hours.
Teachers are generally contracted for 180 days of instruction, and a handful of "other" days. So probably around 200 days would be just about average, some teachers a bit more, some a little less. This is for teaching only, doesn't include extracurricular things that they'd be paid separately for.
The "average" teaching time per day is right around 6.5 hours, including any prep periods during the week that they might have. That's 7 hours at school and a lunch of a half hour.
To equal the hours of a 40 hour per week worker, the teacher would need to work 10.5 hours a day, or an extra 4 hours each of those 200 days. To equal the 45 hour salary employee, they'd have to work over 11.5 hours a day. To equal the average 50 hour per week salary employee, they'd need to work 13 hours a day, over 6 hours extra each day.
None of the teachers that I know truly put in those hours.......
Nor do I expect them to.
Teachers working "short" years (summers off) is a product of our culture, not necessarily something that teachers have demanded. Although, I have no doubt that there would be huge opposition to any large scale movement to move to a 52 week school year!
Second question is a "sort of, but not entirely".
NCLB didn't set federal standards, it mandated that states set their own. States don't mandate teaching methods, but set minimum levels of mastery in order to ensure that students are gaining basic levels of education. Like being able to add, subtract, multiply and divide in order to pass a basic mathematics test. Or to be able to identify a noun, verb, etc. States have enacted their own assessments, and those are the minimum standards that most any of us would expect of a student graduating high school.
As for teacher grading, I know several teachers who teach a mix of students and none of them have suffered any negative consequences arising from their students doing poorly on standardized testing. They have used the standardized testing as indicators that additional resources may be needed in certain schools and in certain subject areas, though.
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