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They broke a rule and I see how it seems like KR would benefit from it but if it woulda been Russell then we wouldn't have this drama
And you draw the line at common sense.
Oh, and in going to add this. I always find it funny when someone creates an account here and submits their first post on a subject such as this. That, to me, shows that you obviously have a dog in the fight.
Its all opinions, and you guys are all entitled to your opinion. its just discouraging to see people use their opinions to tear down another person or organization because they dont agree with a call.
Like i said I see how it can look like theres favortism shown but rules are rules. Thats my opinion and your welcome to yours as well, Im just trying to tell you guys that what your saying is essentially "well you should be allowed to break the rule a little bit".. Thad and Chris were the only two caught going that way, so how do you not dock them? Maybe the punishment didnt fit the crime, but you gotta see how it was a rule violation regardless of what happened.
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Heres the Cycle News story so you know Im not completely crazy: http://www.cyclenews.com/2010/03/article/strang-claims-steele-creek-gnc…
No offense to anyone but Im done wasting my time debating this stuff with everyone. Our opinions all differ and I respect that you're allowed to believe what you want to believe.
Who cares anyway?! None of this has any direct impact on any of us. We just need to forget about it and go ride our dirtbikes!
Not relevant, everyone knows he has talent. Everyone also knows he has a shitty attitude and no one crosses the Coombs at least in the offroad realm. I've been around GNCC for 20+ years and I've seen 99% of these type of situations fall to a certain group's benefit...
Please put away your deep animosity for my family, Kailub Russell and GNCC Racing in general and look at the video. This was the fourth time around, and everyone clearly knew that the track was designed to run the pattern of the stream. It was designed that way for TV. There was a rope up blocking the cut for the first three laps but then it was gone. The kid in the red and white hat points Kailub to the shortcut but he doesn't take it because he knows it's off the track and it was double-arrowed. Sipes and Baylor don't get the line pointed to them by the kid and they stay on the track too. Unfortunately for Thad Duvall, he does take the shortcut, and it's obviously a time-saver and not on the existing track. Same goes for Chris Bach. And then the kid smiles and waves at the camera.
The GNCC staff did not make the decision to penalize Duvall and Bach, the AMA did. The GNCC staff recused itself because of the fact that it involved the Pro class, and Kailub Russell is the multi-time champion. The AMA decided to dock them one spot each, and it did not affect Russell's finish at all, but it did affect the two guys who took the shortcut (and Walker Fowler is wrong, this wasn't where he cut on the last lap on the ATV race, but that's a different story). Maybe that's why the kid contacted Thad and apologized.
When you take a blatant shortcut, whether a fan points it out to you or not, and it's caught on camera or witnessed by an official, you have to expect some kind of penalty. Duvall and Bach (both of whom I follow and respect a lot) seem to understand this and did not appeal the AMA's ruling...
So why are you? Why are you on this anti-Kailub crusade where you're trying to diminish all that he's done for the simple fact that you don't like the series (after 20+ years apparently) and you don't like his family? He works hard, he's got great talent and it's not his fault he was born to a racer named Jeff Russell, who was also a top off-roader who ended up working with the GNCC series (just like Barry Hawk did after he was done). Kailub Russell didn't even take the shortcut that was also pointed out to him, but you are laying all of this on him? His team was standing right where Duvall jumped back on track -- they weren't over there showing him shortcuts.
So what should the AMA have done? Just let it go, despite the protests of KTM, despite the evidence, despite the advantage and despite the fact that the penalized riders aren't even appealing? Where's your sense of fair play -- or are you still mad because the #1 team gets the first pick in the paddock, as had been the case ever since all too many semis started showing up for Pro row and making it too crowded? Why come on here and character-assassinate and troll on a rider for doing the right thing? You may think he has "a shitty attitude" but give the guy a break -- he's a professional athlete doing the best he can, despite haters like you out there, and he's got a hell of challenge now from Thad Duvall. He doesn't need anyone's help, and he doesn't deserve this much hate.
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The individuals who came up short in this situation have taken the high road and handled them selves very well. With that said they are not able to express their emotions and opinions to the public and when it comes down to it what is wrong with someone speaking on what everyone is talking about and has talked about for years? I dont get into debates on facebook/instagram, its not the place for it. With the attention of common fans and kids on there, no need of airing out personal opinions. But on here, we are a group of like minded people on a forum discussing things of this nature. Have you took the time to call out each and every person on a social media post who crosses you or yours? I'm sure you have not.
I have been around Gncc racing since I was a teenager in 96' when your dad was running the show. I keep coming back for the terrain, the comradery, the pure form of motorcycle racing... not the bureaucracy. Hey I know someone has got to be the boss and someone has to be the bad guy but as I pointed out the biases are obvious. I apologize for speaking specifically about your organization or a certain rider, if you noticed in previous posts I spoke very general about "offroad". I may have a few of my details mixed up as in what riders were affected or what the particulars of a situation were in years past but I'm not making this stuff up. The only reason I get involved on here is to speak against the ones that have never raced one of these events and know very little of the series.
There are contradictions between your response to me and official press releases I've seen from GNCC. There has been statements that there was not an official protest from a team, now you say KTM protested. The first release said he violated the 25ft rule then the second went on about the designated tv area which you just now mention was double arrowed. Davey you know as well as any of us here that its commonplace at a GNCC for everyone on the track to be looking for a fresh line and there are plenty of sections that develop to be way wider than 25ft/50ft. We all know of the 25ft rule but how often has this been enforced historically? If a rule is to be emphasized, is this the way to go about it, with a very trivial example within a championship battle? Is Walker Fowler lying that they all took that same line on Saturday with no repercussion? Was other amateurs penalized over this line choice? There are so many contradictions over the years, how about the debacle at Iron Man 2009 when the track fell apart, multiple national championships on the line and half the riders unintentionally cut out half of the lap? Throw out the lap? No ...Throw out the round? No... A couple years later the first few riders make it up a hill, the next few riders dont make it.... throw the out the lap which cost Whibley the win.
I know there are many factors that have to be considered but when people see sporatic calls, you cant be surprised that all kinds of conspiracy theorys arise. Call an individual out on a forum and you show why I said previously that no one crosses your organization.
Well, he basically got Thad DQ'd. I think I saw him, or someone claiming to be him, apologising to Thad in a posting pasted here, or elsewhere. Maybe next time he might not be such a twat.
I'm quite enthusiastic about Thad, after seeing him so many times at the German ISDE - it seemed that I timed every section / test he went through the 2 days I was course hopping on a motorcycle. He was incredibly spectacular, and a very nice bloke.
When a spectator decides to 'direct' a rider or two, when there is absolutely no reason to do so - there was Nothing difficult about the section he directed Thad and another ( in the video) away from - well, they are Not doing the riders any service. He managed to take points from a rider he appears to be a fan of. Stupidity.
Bummer for Thad, and the other fellow.
KTM wheelbase is 5 foot - So 40 Foot is the total length max rider can get away from course here is 20 Foot ! Within rules.
Give Rider the benefit of doubt - Line choice is part of GNCC
With that being said, yes it is all very suspicious. I don't like the call as much as anyone else. I like Kaliub and no one can deny he is one of the best off road riders in the history of the GNCC's. I certainly don't blame this situation on Kaliub in any way. It's just odd when you take everything into consideration.
You will see the "hot line" at minute 8:30 to the right which appears to be pretty rutted either from the morning race or the 4-wheelers. The line does have the rope that DC speaks to up on lap 1.
https://youtu.be/oRj8vXWy51U
As far as the points DC made being "emotional" and "unprofessional", I'm not seeing it. I see a man defending his family and their business against unfounded, backhanded accusations of misconduct. He's asking people to consider the facts, instead of vomiting out their gut reactions.
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