Stewart's not ruining racing, no semis is

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Edited Date/Time 1/18/2012 9:32am
At first I really didn't care. No big deal... I thought.

But after several years of a dominant racer (either RC or JS or CR or JM), I can see the loss of semi's is wrecking SX.

If you think of an evening when only the top 4 make the main, and then 2 semi's, and then an LCQ, it's not hard to see the action is GREATLY improved.

Semi's raise all boats. It helps the stature of the top tier racers. It improves the evening program immensly. Seeing second tier racers dicing like crazy men makes the spectators feel satisfied. In the current system, the spectator feels cheated. 2 heats and a meaningless LCQ. It might work for TV, it will doom this sport.

Bring back the semi's to SX racing. The current system didn't elevate the big bike racers, it brought them down to tiddler level.

If TV is the reason, then TV is wrecking the sport.

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2/17/2009 7:51pm
I think the same thing about the semis. I think semis would make for better TV and would put more sponsors and more riders in the spot light. If I was a rider I would feel much more confident going into the main finishing 1 or 2 in a Semi than I would finishing 5th-9th in a Heat. A rider winning a Semi would garner way more attention for himself and his sponsors by winning a Semi rather than finishing 5th - 9th in a Heat.
While we are at it, I wish they would say the hell with timed qualifying in the Nationals as well.
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I don't give a rat's ass about the Semis - but James ain't ruining racing any more than McGrath ruined it, or RC ruined it. When the best guy in the world hits his stride, the rest of the field is racing for second, and that's not ruining anything. Watching the best rider in the world isn't exactly boring.
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2/17/2009 9:13pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
I don't give a rat's ass about the Semis - but James ain't ruining racing any more than McGrath ruined it, or RC ruined it. When...
I don't give a rat's ass about the Semis - but James ain't ruining racing any more than McGrath ruined it, or RC ruined it. When the best guy in the world hits his stride, the rest of the field is racing for second, and that's not ruining anything. Watching the best rider in the world isn't exactly boring.
I don't disagree with you.

The outcome may be the same. But..... James'es victory is diminished. James is right, why have a main when the heat decided everything? I said, having semi's does more for James Stewart than it does anyone. That is probably hard to comprehend.

Having the semis, gives credience to racing among the 2nd tier racers. This IS important. SX cannot survive without the 3-12 racers. The need....... is to elevate the class of racers in the second tier. It may sound strange, but without a credible 3-12 class, the 1-3 class is boring. BORING, this is the kiss of death to SX.

Bring back the semis, or kiss this sport goodbye!
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2/17/2009 9:32pm
agreed, bring back the old format...... So much better in person, and was a lot better with the old tv coverage that had the time to show them.......

btw....... those transponder day "races" are horseshit...... too many guys only put in one good hot lap, too many guys sitting on the peak of a jump "resting"...... no "real" racing going on... and, it's the number one reason it's not worth my time to show up at noon on race day and blow another $100-200 on beer, snacks, ect......

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2/17/2009 9:45pm
The government is ruining our sport, with its "lead laws" and huge "land grabs" and next is "noise".

Not the fact our SX's don't hold semis or MC, RC, James and Chad are that much better than the rest.

Government is on an all out assault on OHVs, period.

The sport and everyone associated with it should be very worried and be fighting tooth and nail for it's survival.

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2/18/2009 1:15am
the only thing it does is add moer laps.....it doesnt help ANY riders.....cuz regardless they will still ALL finish the same way in the mains!
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2/18/2009 1:59am
gt80rider wrote:
agreed, bring back the old format...... So much better in person, and was a lot better with the old tv coverage that had the time to...
agreed, bring back the old format...... So much better in person, and was a lot better with the old tv coverage that had the time to show them.......

btw....... those transponder day "races" are horseshit...... too many guys only put in one good hot lap, too many guys sitting on the peak of a jump "resting"...... no "real" racing going on... and, it's the number one reason it's not worth my time to show up at noon on race day and blow another $100-200 on beer, snacks, ect......
some would consider $100-$200 on beer and snacks to be a good night out

not me of course

but some would

somewhere

maybe
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2/18/2009 2:58am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2009 2:59am
Why not just have the top 10 in points qualify each week. Heats and semi's can be run in the afternoon for the others. In the evening run 3 x 15lap races, time each race and award the overall based on those times, not purely on position at the checkerd flag alone.
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2/18/2009 4:21am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:33pm
We need less expensive equipment at the entry level and more places to ride to make our sport more popular. It starts at the grass roots level. Get more kids riding, the sport grows. Hell, turn the damn golf courses and ski resorts into MX tracks.


If you really want to use TV race coverage to grow this sport, then have a bikini race in the mud. That'll get ya the crowd of uninformed idiots you're looking for.


2/18/2009 4:26am
the internet ruined jlaw.
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phlewy wrote:
At first I really didn't care. No big deal... I thought. But after several years of a dominant racer (either RC or JS or CR or...
At first I really didn't care. No big deal... I thought.

But after several years of a dominant racer (either RC or JS or CR or JM), I can see the loss of semi's is wrecking SX.

If you think of an evening when only the top 4 make the main, and then 2 semi's, and then an LCQ, it's not hard to see the action is GREATLY improved.

Semi's raise all boats. It helps the stature of the top tier racers. It improves the evening program immensly. Seeing second tier racers dicing like crazy men makes the spectators feel satisfied. In the current system, the spectator feels cheated. 2 heats and a meaningless LCQ. It might work for TV, it will doom this sport.

Bring back the semi's to SX racing. The current system didn't elevate the big bike racers, it brought them down to tiddler level.

If TV is the reason, then TV is wrecking the sport.

Agree with this wholeheartily.

he only thing it does is add moer laps.....it doesnt help ANY riders

Yes it does, it helps them get a spotlight, it helps them get a short interview to throw their sponsors in that they normally, probably, wouldn't get.

I know there are a lot from our area that quit going to SX after they went when they dropped semi's. They have never been back either.

The short lap times hasn't helped either.

Less racing=less spectators.

the internet ruined jlaw.

JLaw ruined JLaw

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2/18/2009 7:21am
andymoto wrote:
The government is ruining our sport, with its "lead laws" and huge "land grabs" and next is "noise". Not the fact our SX's don't hold semis...
The government is ruining our sport, with its "lead laws" and huge "land grabs" and next is "noise".

Not the fact our SX's don't hold semis or MC, RC, James and Chad are that much better than the rest.

Government is on an all out assault on OHVs, period.

The sport and everyone associated with it should be very worried and be fighting tooth and nail for it's survival.

The government didn't ruin our sport. Our inability to self regulate ruined our sport. Exhaust systems in excess of 100db ruined our sport.
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2/18/2009 7:57am
andymoto wrote:
The government is ruining our sport, with its "lead laws" and huge "land grabs" and next is "noise". Not the fact our SX's don't hold semis...
The government is ruining our sport, with its "lead laws" and huge "land grabs" and next is "noise".

Not the fact our SX's don't hold semis or MC, RC, James and Chad are that much better than the rest.

Government is on an all out assault on OHVs, period.

The sport and everyone associated with it should be very worried and be fighting tooth and nail for it's survival.

The government didn't ruin our sport. Our inability to self regulate ruined our sport. Exhaust systems in excess of 100db ruined our sport.
Absolutely true. Every word is exactly right. We've been getting riders crippled and killed with no action plan to address it, and we're making so much noise that tracks are being closed all over the place. That's killing the sport. We're letting it die for lack of leadership.
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2/18/2009 8:19am
Just a couple of weekends ago a me and few guys from work decided to go play 18 holes one Sun. morning after getting relieved. The golf course was 8 miles away from Budds Creek and we could here every gate drop. Eight miles away on a Sunday morning! This is what is going to destroy the grass roots portion of our sport. I would venture to bet that 2/3 to 3/4 of the average racers doesn't give two shits about what the pros are doing. Most racers are not like the posters on here.
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2/18/2009 8:29am
Scott are you on drugs, son?

haha
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Target run time of an event is about 3hrs. Getting longer than that people tend to get bored/hungry/tired and want to leave(these people are not true moto fans but are paying for the ticket). Thats why semis and longer night shows won't happen.
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Hell yeah, whistler tips.
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"Most racers are not like posters on here"-Brent26wood

That's so funny. You could also leave the t out of posters.
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2/18/2009 8:52am
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy. My local track was in danger of getting shut down, so they aggravated the problem by starting dirt drags.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how open-pipe Kawie street bikes running wide open through the pits helped the problem. Same with the freakin idiots rolling all the jumps on two strokes on the mx track with NO PIPE.
They just let people with no exhaust show up and ride. Hell, it irritates the crap out of me, and I am there at the track riding.
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2/18/2009 10:02am
bogdan912 wrote:
Target run time of an event is about 3hrs. Getting longer than that people tend to get bored/hungry/tired and want to leave(these people are not true...
Target run time of an event is about 3hrs. Getting longer than that people tend to get bored/hungry/tired and want to leave(these people are not true moto fans but are paying for the ticket). Thats why semis and longer night shows won't happen.
It only took 3 hours to run that with the semi's.

Basically, the format SUCKS.

But you and everyone else is correct, joeblow "fan" doesn't know any better, although the older joeblows just dont show up anymore as there is less racing to watch and drink to. Less racing to bet a beer on the winner. Too much fru fru fluff.

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