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CrGuy2T 5/22/2017 7:32pm
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Acidreamer wrote:
You must have missed all the times tomac came from the back and then caught and gapped dungey.
Tomac will be running the #3 plate next year in SX. So no he didn't stomp Dungey. He won more races. Tomac has been in the 450 class for a few years now and has had his chances to take a title from Dungey. Never happenened. He couldn't get it done from the rookie Roczen in the 450 class. I don't want to hear injury or bike failure. Wins are wins losses are losses and 1st is 1st. Just how it goes. I personally am not handing the title off to Tomac this year because he simply can't stay off the ground. Given that I wouldn't bet against him though. Tomac is a great racer, but he is no Ryan Dungey.
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Acidreamer wrote:
You must have missed all the times tomac came from the back and then caught and gapped dungey.
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Tomac will be running the #3 plate next year in SX. So no he didn't stomp Dungey. He won more races. Tomac has been in the...
Tomac will be running the #3 plate next year in SX. So no he didn't stomp Dungey. He won more races. Tomac has been in the 450 class for a few years now and has had his chances to take a title from Dungey. Never happenened. He couldn't get it done from the rookie Roczen in the 450 class. I don't want to hear injury or bike failure. Wins are wins losses are losses and 1st is 1st. Just how it goes. I personally am not handing the title off to Tomac this year because he simply can't stay off the ground. Given that I wouldn't bet against him though. Tomac is a great racer, but he is no Ryan Dungey.
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold better records.

Eli lost about 1.5 years with those double shoulder injuries. He was waxing both Kenny and RD before he got hurt. But now that Kenny is Hurt....you say he had Eli handled? Only giving one credit?

What about when him and Kenny were both healthy in the 250 class? Refresh my memory.

RD won the SX championship and will go down in history as one of the very best this sport has ever seen. But you and a couple other's here don't need to take jabs at Eli.

Right now....this year....he is the fastest dude on two wheels on this planet. When he is " on "....there is not one person alive that's beating that dude if he's healthy.
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fast willy wrote:
So if Tomac wins the outdoor title. We need to put an astrick by his name cuz Dungey just retired
Acidreamer wrote:
He just stomped dungey in supercross. Wtf are you talking about?
Sorry bro, the record books already show Dungey the champion and Tomac the chump!
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jeffro503 wrote:
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold...
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold better records.

Eli lost about 1.5 years with those double shoulder injuries. He was waxing both Kenny and RD before he got hurt. But now that Kenny is Hurt....you say he had Eli handled? Only giving one credit?

What about when him and Kenny were both healthy in the 250 class? Refresh my memory.

RD won the SX championship and will go down in history as one of the very best this sport has ever seen. But you and a couple other's here don't need to take jabs at Eli.

Right now....this year....he is the fastest dude on two wheels on this planet. When he is " on "....there is not one person alive that's beating that dude if he's healthy.
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays more than a 250 title. Yes right now in the outdoors he is the fastest man after the first race 2017 sx was not or he'd be lining up next year with the #1 plate.

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jorgechavez 5/22/2017 8:32pm
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And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold...
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold better records.

Eli lost about 1.5 years with those double shoulder injuries. He was waxing both Kenny and RD before he got hurt. But now that Kenny is Hurt....you say he had Eli handled? Only giving one credit?

What about when him and Kenny were both healthy in the 250 class? Refresh my memory.

RD won the SX championship and will go down in history as one of the very best this sport has ever seen. But you and a couple other's here don't need to take jabs at Eli.

Right now....this year....he is the fastest dude on two wheels on this planet. When he is " on "....there is not one person alive that's beating that dude if he's healthy.
Thank you Jeffro, the people who seem to fail to acknowledge that Eli had a great SX season and gave Dungey one hell of a run are starting to become worse than the people who try to say Dungey's titles deserve asterisks or whatever. Did these people forget that with two rounds to go Dungey looked defenseless to three peat? Dungey's a fuckin' machine and earned that title 110% but Tomac still ate up a 27 point lead on the most consistent rider in the history of the sport and made the series interesting when most thought it would be a snoozefest and to be so ignorant to not even give credit where it's due is ridiculous.

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jeffro503 5/22/2017 8:44pm
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And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold...
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold better records.

Eli lost about 1.5 years with those double shoulder injuries. He was waxing both Kenny and RD before he got hurt. But now that Kenny is Hurt....you say he had Eli handled? Only giving one credit?

What about when him and Kenny were both healthy in the 250 class? Refresh my memory.

RD won the SX championship and will go down in history as one of the very best this sport has ever seen. But you and a couple other's here don't need to take jabs at Eli.

Right now....this year....he is the fastest dude on two wheels on this planet. When he is " on "....there is not one person alive that's beating that dude if he's healthy.
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You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays...
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays more than a 250 title. Yes right now in the outdoors he is the fastest man after the first race 2017 sx was not or he'd be lining up next year with the #1 plate.
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders.

When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny were always a tick behind Eli's speed. They were definitely more consistent for sure. I also have no doubt that if RD was out there along with Kenny....Eli would still be winning.

I don't get the dislike of Eli from some of you guys.
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jeffro503 5/22/2017 8:45pm
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Thank you Jeffro, the people who seem to fail to acknowledge that Eli had a great SX season and gave Dungey one hell of a run...
Thank you Jeffro, the people who seem to fail to acknowledge that Eli had a great SX season and gave Dungey one hell of a run are starting to become worse than the people who try to say Dungey's titles deserve asterisks or whatever. Did these people forget that with two rounds to go Dungey looked defenseless to three peat? Dungey's a fuckin' machine and earned that title 110% but Tomac still ate up a 27 point lead on the most consistent rider in the history of the sport and made the series interesting when most thought it would be a snoozefest and to be so ignorant to not even give credit where it's due is ridiculous.

Exactly this! Well said Jorge!
NorCalRedRyder 5/22/2017 8:51pm
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Eli is my favorite racer since Emig, I hope he runs the show for a longtime. Dungey got the SX title by being Dungey, but he saw what he was in for come the outdoors and the next few years and cashed out mid season.
1st Amendment 5/22/2017 10:34pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold...
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold better records.

Eli lost about 1.5 years with those double shoulder injuries. He was waxing both Kenny and RD before he got hurt. But now that Kenny is Hurt....you say he had Eli handled? Only giving one credit?

What about when him and Kenny were both healthy in the 250 class? Refresh my memory.

RD won the SX championship and will go down in history as one of the very best this sport has ever seen. But you and a couple other's here don't need to take jabs at Eli.

Right now....this year....he is the fastest dude on two wheels on this planet. When he is " on "....there is not one person alive that's beating that dude if he's healthy.
CrGuy2T wrote:
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays...
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays more than a 250 title. Yes right now in the outdoors he is the fastest man after the first race 2017 sx was not or he'd be lining up next year with the #1 plate.
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No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders. When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny...
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders.

When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny were always a tick behind Eli's speed. They were definitely more consistent for sure. I also have no doubt that if RD was out there along with Kenny....Eli would still be winning.

I don't get the dislike of Eli from some of you guys.
Going fast for 5 motos doesn't qualify you as being faster than the 2 guys who were consistently faster than that guy. But then again simple math doesn't apply here much. And BTW you don't win on tracks like Daytona and Southwick if you're still recovering physically.
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jeffro503 5/23/2017 12:02am
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CrGuy2T wrote:
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays...
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays more than a 250 title. Yes right now in the outdoors he is the fastest man after the first race 2017 sx was not or he'd be lining up next year with the #1 plate.
jeffro503 wrote:
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders. When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny...
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders.

When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny were always a tick behind Eli's speed. They were definitely more consistent for sure. I also have no doubt that if RD was out there along with Kenny....Eli would still be winning.

I don't get the dislike of Eli from some of you guys.
1st Amendment wrote:
Going fast for 5 motos doesn't qualify you as being faster than the 2 guys who were consistently faster than that guy. But then again simple...
Going fast for 5 motos doesn't qualify you as being faster than the 2 guys who were consistently faster than that guy. But then again simple math doesn't apply here much. And BTW you don't win on tracks like Daytona and Southwick if you're still recovering physically.
Well he was so I don't know what to tell you. Completely different rider compared to what he was capable of last year.
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Turbojez 5/23/2017 1:03am
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Wow, this whole "my fav rider is better than yours" thing is getting out of hand. Silly

Dungey is a multi-time 450 champ already.
Roczen is a multi-time 450 champ already.
Tomac probably will be if he doesn't crash, but we'll have to wait and see about that. Lots of potential though, can't argue with that.
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jeffro503 wrote:
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold...
And RD will never be an RV or and RC or an MC...they are just guys that happen to of beaten RD in racing or hold better records.

Eli lost about 1.5 years with those double shoulder injuries. He was waxing both Kenny and RD before he got hurt. But now that Kenny is Hurt....you say he had Eli handled? Only giving one credit?

What about when him and Kenny were both healthy in the 250 class? Refresh my memory.

RD won the SX championship and will go down in history as one of the very best this sport has ever seen. But you and a couple other's here don't need to take jabs at Eli.

Right now....this year....he is the fastest dude on two wheels on this planet. When he is " on "....there is not one person alive that's beating that dude if he's healthy.
CrGuy2T wrote:
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays...
You must have a hard time reading. My post is specifically toward the 450 class. Besides I'm pretty sure a 450 title(s) in Roczen's case pays more than a 250 title. Yes right now in the outdoors he is the fastest man after the first race 2017 sx was not or he'd be lining up next year with the #1 plate.
Dungey my was not the fastest at all the most consistent yes fastest no.
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fast willy wrote:
So if Tomac wins the outdoor title. We need to put an astrick by his name cuz Dungey just retired
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He just stomped dungey in supercross. Wtf are you talking about?
inthebadboycorner wrote:
Sorry bro, the record books already show Dungey the champion and Tomac the chump!
Record books from this sx season and last summer show dungey being the best average finish. Also shows tomac absolutely wiping dungeys face on the floor with wins and stellar performance. Tomac beat dungey far more times than dungey beat him.

Next time you go to a race and get 4th, let me know if you think you wiped the floor with the guy in 1st. Thats kindof backwards logic aint it?
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fast willy wrote:
So if Tomac wins the outdoor title. We need to put an astrick by his name cuz Dungey just retired
Acidreamer wrote:
He just stomped dungey in supercross. Wtf are you talking about?
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This guy couldn't beat RV. ..
1st Amendment 5/23/2017 5:15am
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jeffro503 wrote:
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders. When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny...
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders.

When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny were always a tick behind Eli's speed. They were definitely more consistent for sure. I also have no doubt that if RD was out there along with Kenny....Eli would still be winning.

I don't get the dislike of Eli from some of you guys.
1st Amendment wrote:
Going fast for 5 motos doesn't qualify you as being faster than the 2 guys who were consistently faster than that guy. But then again simple...
Going fast for 5 motos doesn't qualify you as being faster than the 2 guys who were consistently faster than that guy. But then again simple math doesn't apply here much. And BTW you don't win on tracks like Daytona and Southwick if you're still recovering physically.
jeffro503 wrote:
Well he was so I don't know what to tell you. Completely different rider compared to what he was capable of last year.
Was he completely different rider when Roczen got hurt and crashed out and Dungey got spooked and started thinking about his injury last year? Before that incident Roczen and Dungey were gapping the field the 3 yrs prior and the 3 races this year as well then boom that incident happened. Roczen out and all the sudden Musquin is beating Dungey pretty regularly. I think I'm gonna lean towards the two guys that were beating him on a regular basis since 2014. Dungey and Roczens series record vs Eli is what 6-1?
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CrGuy2T 5/23/2017 7:46am
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How many 450 titles does Tomac have? I'm just curious..... I think we will hear crickets....
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motomx88 wrote:
Seems to happen ever 4 or 5 years that a guy becomes unbeatable because of a guy who was before him retires. Looks like Tomacs turn.
yep, McGrath-RC, Villo-Dungey, and now Tomac. I'm sure it bothers him that he never quite put it together this year but he'll get over it when his titles start rolling in .

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Acidreamer wrote:
Record books from this sx season and last summer show dungey being the best average finish. Also shows tomac absolutely wiping dungeys face on the floor...
Record books from this sx season and last summer show dungey being the best average finish. Also shows tomac absolutely wiping dungeys face on the floor with wins and stellar performance. Tomac beat dungey far more times than dungey beat him.

Next time you go to a race and get 4th, let me know if you think you wiped the floor with the guy in 1st. Thats kindof backwards logic aint it?
Dungey had the best average finish last summer?
Were you in too big of a hurry to try and convince us all that the record books will show that Eli was great and Dungey was just average to notice your mistake? You want "backwards logic"? Its when some vitard tries to use a rider's (4 time SX Champ) worst finish (4th place) in 52 consecutive SX races to try and show us how great another rider is (that has never won a championship) who can only dream of such a feat. As good as Eli is.... It's his worst races that have kept him from being an SX/MX champion. The record books will reflect that fact.
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malachi177 5/23/2017 4:50pm
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Acidreamer wrote:
Record books from this sx season and last summer show dungey being the best average finish. Also shows tomac absolutely wiping dungeys face on the floor...
Record books from this sx season and last summer show dungey being the best average finish. Also shows tomac absolutely wiping dungeys face on the floor with wins and stellar performance. Tomac beat dungey far more times than dungey beat him.

Next time you go to a race and get 4th, let me know if you think you wiped the floor with the guy in 1st. Thats kindof backwards logic aint it?
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Dungey had the best average finish last summer? Were you in too big of a hurry to try and convince us all that the record books...
Dungey had the best average finish last summer?
Were you in too big of a hurry to try and convince us all that the record books will show that Eli was great and Dungey was just average to notice your mistake? You want "backwards logic"? Its when some vitard tries to use a rider's (4 time SX Champ) worst finish (4th place) in 52 consecutive SX races to try and show us how great another rider is (that has never won a championship) who can only dream of such a feat. As good as Eli is.... It's his worst races that have kept him from being an SX/MX champion. The record books will reflect that fact.
Acidreamer needs a new drug Pinch Ryan has beat Tomac FAR more then Eli has beat him over the last four years. Also Ryan crashed out early last summer....which for some reason Mr.Poprocks didn't clue into.

Eli fan boys are stoked that Ryan has retired...but for damn sure no one else is happier then Eli himself.
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Dungey 7 450 titles in 8 years....Tomac ZERO 450 titles in 4 years in the 450 class. Tomac never did, nor will he ever beat Ryan...
Dungey 7 450 titles in 8 years....Tomac ZERO 450 titles in 4 years in the 450 class. Tomac never did, nor will he ever beat Ryan for a title. #butthurt #snoflake
Do you have red numbers on your bike
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Do you have red numbers on your bike
Nice avatar....no surprise Whistling Whistling
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I hope nobody tells this guy about the Dunge's record against RV
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jeffro503 wrote:
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders. When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny...
No...I read your post correctly. You gave props to RD and Kenny while healthy...but slammed Eli after ruining both his shoulders.

When healthy....speed wise....RD and Kenny were always a tick behind Eli's speed. They were definitely more consistent for sure. I also have no doubt that if RD was out there along with Kenny....Eli would still be winning.

I don't get the dislike of Eli from some of you guys.
In supercross? No way, not till this season.

But I think your only referring to outdoors.
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Do you have red numbers on your bike
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Nice avatar....no surprise Whistling Whistling
Alright dude. Get rid of the red numbers and I'll take your words seriously. Until then you're basically a 5 year old to me. Grinning
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PTECH 5/27/2017 12:09pm
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As a fan of both riders this has been an entertaining thread to read. I was happy to see Dungey win the SX title but I'm under no illusion that Dungey was the "faster" of the two this year. More consistent yes but when were talking about raw speed, when he was on Eli was faster than everyone no doubt. However I believe Dungey to be the stronger rider mentally which is how he managed to be one of, if not the most consistent top rider in the history of the sport.
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Eli was clearing the fastest rider on the track today but it didn't translate into championship points. I'm sure he's pisses but he should blame himself for two terrible starts
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Silas444 wrote:
Baggett. He's a whole different animal outdoors, and I don't use the term "animal" flippantly. To win outdoors, you have to WANT to suffer - enough...
Baggett. He's a whole different animal outdoors, and I don't use the term "animal" flippantly. To win outdoors, you have to WANT to suffer - enough to break the will of the other guys. Baggett's always had that mindset, he loves the pain, he just didn't have a bike he was comfortable enough on to push to his willingness to suffer to it's limit. At least, not since his PC days, anyway - but he does now, and that's gonna create some trouble for Eli. I've never typed this before and I never thought I would, but "Stamp It."
x2 for Break Baggett. He is indeed a different animal outdoors, for the very reason you described. I haven't seen the same Chupacabra since he left PC but he's definitely going to give Tomac a run for his money this season. Stamp it.
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this wont be a cake walk for Eli. Dungey being gone does give him some relief though.
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Ok I'll play. Who is gonna come close to him? Baggett? Musquin? Anderson? Webb? GTFOH.
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