AC is a Freak.

4/16/2017 2:21am
If he was such a straight up badass (which he is outdoors) everyone knows the biggest prize in racing is a Supercross title. Which in 14...
If he was such a straight up badass (which he is outdoors) everyone knows the biggest prize in racing is a Supercross title. Which in 14 years he hasn't attempted once, if he wanted to he would have had full factory backing. He chose not too. That'll always be a knock against him. Tortelli, Pichon, Albertyn, Vullimen, Roncada, Bayle etc all had the balls to try. No shame in being afraid or knowing your place I guess.
jemcee wrote:
"everyone knows the biggest prize in racing is a Supercross title".. Do they?
Um pretty much. It's not the GP's and definitely not the ama nationals, kinda thought this was a known thing. Has anyone ever got a nationals only contract? Has anyone from Europe came over for a nationals contract only? They made poor Albertyn ride Supercross a year after he won the gps and we all saw how that went down. Just stating a fact.
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4/16/2017 2:36am
Um pretty much. It's not the GP's and definitely not the ama nationals, kinda thought this was a known thing. Has anyone ever got a nationals...
Um pretty much. It's not the GP's and definitely not the ama nationals, kinda thought this was a known thing. Has anyone ever got a nationals only contract? Has anyone from Europe came over for a nationals contract only? They made poor Albertyn ride Supercross a year after he won the gps and we all saw how that went down. Just stating a fact.
I'm not sure it's as important as you think it is outside of America.. I mean I'm sure for some it is but I'm also sure that others couldn't care less about getting a SX title!

So no, you weren't stating a fact you were stating your opinion
4/16/2017 2:45am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
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4/16/2017 2:56am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
Mmm NO! Maybe in the US they do but SX is not a worldwide success (yes there are other places outside US border

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4/16/2017 3:01am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2017 3:41am
AC was going to do some US SX rounds in 2011.

He stayed and trained in California for it. Mind you, that, by his own words at the time, really was not good preparation for the GPs, and he had to adjust back to his 'real world', after having a bit of a shock at the Bulgarian GP.

Antonio just wanted to do a few rounds for fun, he's enjoyed his limited Euro SX experience, and was quite good at it.Though, he damaged a knee quite badly at Berci one year in the typical corner topple over. But I'd say KTM wanted him to concentrate on what he was / is paid the Big bucks for - winning World Motocross Championships, and it was said they persuaded him not to do the few US SX rounds . And he did win more World Motocross titles for them. He may still win another / some more.

He has been in the position to whatever he damned well pleases, for quite a while now. Can race whatever he wants. Does some Internationals, does a few Charity Events , often mid season, at quite a risk, but he appears to have a ball doing them.

I'd say quite a few 'stars' would like to be more of their 'own man', like Cairoli can be, and is. He's got his ' racing family' in the De Carli Team, and Claudio is said to be like his second Father.

As for SX - I've watched it for over 4 decades now - whilst it's a damned sight better entertainment than main stream sports, and I admire the skills and bravery of those blokes racing on vicious, nasty little glorified BMX tracks, to me, it means nothing compared to Motocross, especially the World Motocross Championships.
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4/16/2017 3:02am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
shuggs wrote:
Mmm NO! Maybe in the US they do but SX is not a worldwide success (yes there are other places outside US border
SX has almost no TV coverage outside North America, while the GP's have a massive TV broadcasting worldwide.
4/16/2017 3:05am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2017 3:06am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
shuggs wrote:
Mmm NO! Maybe in the US they do but SX is not a worldwide success (yes there are other places outside US border
Ok why ist that the guys who do good in the gps who end up winning a title want to come to the us and try to win a sx title? More examples? Reed, langston, all said their dream was to win a supercross title and left the gps in their prime to come race here? Sorry your two big dogs don't want to nut up in try. Im sure if the gp title was coveted so much Rv would've went there a few years earlier. But he went on a cash grab/retirement tour to appease his contractual duties to Monster Kawasaki. I'm done arguing your unvalid points.
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4/16/2017 3:05am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
Yeah the sponsors like it cause it gets a lot of eyes but they aren't the riders, like I said I'm sure there's plenty that think it is the biggest prize.. Yep those guys are well known but do you think it's just cause they have a sx title? haha I reckon I could ask a random person at SX plenty of things about MX and get a blank look..
So you're saying it's the biggest prize for the 95% of people in a SX stadium
4/16/2017 3:13am
Im not beating a dead horse, read my prior comments....all the answers are there. Im done arguing it. Have a good one fellas.
4/16/2017 3:23am
No Deathcross....and he's one of the best ever.
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4/16/2017 3:58am
Um pretty much. It's not the GP's and definitely not the ama nationals, kinda thought this was a known thing. Has anyone ever got a nationals...
Um pretty much. It's not the GP's and definitely not the ama nationals, kinda thought this was a known thing. Has anyone ever got a nationals only contract? Has anyone from Europe came over for a nationals contract only? They made poor Albertyn ride Supercross a year after he won the gps and we all saw how that went down. Just stating a fact.
jemcee wrote:
I'm not sure it's as important as you think it is outside of America.. I mean I'm sure for some it is but I'm also sure...
I'm not sure it's as important as you think it is outside of America.. I mean I'm sure for some it is but I'm also sure that others couldn't care less about getting a SX title!

So no, you weren't stating a fact you were stating your opinion
Tell it jemcee. SX is a circus. According to some, just entertainment. Not only that but, some would go so far as to say it's so little entertainment that the format needs changing to keep them interested.
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4/16/2017 4:11am
Go fast eat pasta. And no SX.
4/16/2017 4:57am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2017 5:13am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
'Well known' is a stretch, bro!

If you've been to Europe, you'd know that most people don't even know what Supercross is and wouldn't know much, if anything about the riders you've mentioned, bar Pastrana and that's largely only down to Nitro Circus.

Sure it's undoubtedly popular amongst people who love the sport on both sides of the pond, but the last (and somewhat rare) chance they took to see one of America's best indoors here? Five people turnt up to see him at the SMX Cup; which was a great facility, in a city with a larger population than some AMA SX's, less than 2 hours drive from the epicentre of European MX and easily accessible for most fans further afield.

I'm sure AC is super dissapointed that he never raced SX; 8 world titles and counting, plenty of money, enjoys life, not so bogged down like his counterparts in the US, proud Italian and adored by his fellow countrymen. You see him as inferior and probably a pussy for not stepping up and racing SX. I see a dude that didn't need to do that, didn't desperately want to leave Europe and an absolute legend of the sport! Period!
4/16/2017 5:00am
You answered your own question very succinctly in the title of this post - Cairoli is a freak. He's that good. Plain and simple.

There's really no better example of just how good he is than what you see in this video, especially starting around the 1:20 mark. He has the rare ability to keep his head together, to quickly recover from mistakes and, most importantly, he stays in the fight and never backs down, even in his elder years, when we all start dealing with Low T. He's a freak. You nailed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij9jm6ZcJv0
4/16/2017 5:04am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2017 6:07am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
'Well known' is a stretch, bro!

If you've been to Europe, you'd know that most people don't even know what Supercross is and wouldn't know much, if anything about the riders you've mentioned, bar Pastrana and that's largely only down to Nitro Circus.

Sure it's undoubtedly popular amongst people who love the sport on both sides of the pond, but the last (and somewhat rare) chance they took to see one of America's best indoors here? Five people turnt up to see him at the SMX Cup, in a city with a larger population than some AMA SX's, less than 2 hours drive from the epicentre of European MX and easily accessible for most fans further afield.

Nonetheless, I'm sure AC is super dissapointed that he never raced SX; 8 world titles and counting, plenty of money, enjoys life, not so bogged down like his counterparts in the US and adored by his fellow countrymen. You see him as inferior and probably a pussy for not stepping up and racing SX. I see a dude that didn't need to do that, didn't desperately want to leave Europe and an absolute legend of the sport!


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4/16/2017 5:49am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
shuggs wrote:
Mmm NO! Maybe in the US they do but SX is not a worldwide success (yes there are other places outside US border
Ok why ist that the guys who do good in the gps who end up winning a title want to come to the us and try...
Ok why ist that the guys who do good in the gps who end up winning a title want to come to the us and try to win a sx title? More examples? Reed, langston, all said their dream was to win a supercross title and left the gps in their prime to come race here? Sorry your two big dogs don't want to nut up in try. Im sure if the gp title was coveted so much Rv would've went there a few years earlier. But he went on a cash grab/retirement tour to appease his contractual duties to Monster Kawasaki. I'm done arguing your unvalid points.
To a huge majority of MX fans across the globe MX is the holy grail,SX really doesn't come close,the skill etc is all very much appreciated none the less.

It's easy to take that view on RV after the outcome but he was the top US guy and in his ,it's just a tough job.

You can count 25 mostly 2 day weekends,multiple continent changes and a different country every week doesn't lend itself to aiding longevity to me personally but SX could mean a higher chance of injury despite the relatively short track time

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4/16/2017 6:03am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2017 6:10am
It's just raw talent.
Genetics. It does not matter how skilled you are on a bike if you aren't born with it. In running or cycling it is all about the vo2max. I think a guy like cairoli could be a top cyclist. This is exactly why tomac is so good... he is a son of his father it doesn't matter how hard others train they will never reach his level of fitness. One simply can't... genetics
Let's not forget this is the toughest sport on earth. they ride at such a high percentage of their max heartrate.
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4/16/2017 6:22am
Man... all you guys think about is how one rider or championship has to be the best in the world for this or that reason. Man you put Herlings on a 250F and anybody else in the world one whatever bike they want and he will toast them at Valkenswaard. Put Cairolli in an AMA SX main event and he might be top 15, but you could get any one of those top 10 us riders and put them on the euro tour and they would be in the same boat.
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The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
Ask a random at a GP who any of the top 15 in SX are besides Reed, Musquin, Roczen and Dungey and most will give you a blank look.
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4/16/2017 6:52am
Katoomey wrote:
Maybe he's just a badass.

the OP is talking about one rider and this argument turned into USA vs Europe, like it always does.
I'll take this explanation. Tony is ultra fast, ultra fit & ultra smart. He's the Euro version of Ryan Dungey...except he's won 8-World Championships, and (if all went right) could win another one now.

Yeah...I'd say he's a badass.
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4/16/2017 6:53am
Mxgp isnt as intense as the ama schedule.
4/16/2017 7:06am
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other...
The manufacturer s seem to feel that way. Im sure guys like mc, rc, bubba, pastrana, rv, dungey, etc are well known over on the other side of the pond. Go ask a random person at a supercross who herlings or ac are and you will get a blank look 9 times out of 10. Are there gp guys getting paid good money to come do off season races in the us? No. Again just staing a fact. No one cared about Roczen until he started doing good in supercross....outside the hardcore fans that fill 5% of a supercross stadium.
shuggs wrote:
Mmm NO! Maybe in the US they do but SX is not a worldwide success (yes there are other places outside US border
Ok why ist that the guys who do good in the gps who end up winning a title want to come to the us and try...
Ok why ist that the guys who do good in the gps who end up winning a title want to come to the us and try to win a sx title? More examples? Reed, langston, all said their dream was to win a supercross title and left the gps in their prime to come race here? Sorry your two big dogs don't want to nut up in try. Im sure if the gp title was coveted so much Rv would've went there a few years earlier. But he went on a cash grab/retirement tour to appease his contractual duties to Monster Kawasaki. I'm done arguing your unvalid points.
Your examples of Langston, Reed, Albertyn etc are pretty bad since they left their homes in Australia and South Africa (not European countries) saying they want to come to the US. They came to the GPs as 16 year olds with the plan to do just a season or two before moving on. Same goes for the European riders like Roczen and Musquin who plan to go to the US and start training for SX when they are 10. Not everyone outside your beloved USA cares about SX though, and just like you said if you ask a random person about Herlings or Cairoli at A1 9 out of 10 times they don't have a clue about them, but go ask a random fan at Valkenswaard next weekend who Stewart or Carmichael is and the result is the same.
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4/16/2017 7:07am
The supercross factor is more about potential for more/ severe injuries , not as much about more grueling schedules. Thats what Euro fans need to understand.
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4/16/2017 7:33am
Your examples of Langston, Reed, Albertyn etc are pretty bad since they left their homes in Australia and South Africa (not European countries) saying they want...
Your examples of Langston, Reed, Albertyn etc are pretty bad since they left their homes in Australia and South Africa (not European countries) saying they want to come to the US. They came to the GPs as 16 year olds with the plan to do just a season or two before moving on. Same goes for the European riders like Roczen and Musquin who plan to go to the US and start training for SX when they are 10. Not everyone outside your beloved USA cares about SX though, and just like you said if you ask a random person about Herlings or Cairoli at A1 9 out of 10 times they don't have a clue about them, but go ask a random fan at Valkenswaard next weekend who Stewart or Carmichael is and the result is the same.
You really should have picked different people besides Carmichael and Stewart. I can't prove it obviously, but I'd bet good money people in Europe know who they are.
4/16/2017 7:47am
The Post starts out as a failure... You can only compare riders while they are on the same track at the same time and in the same riding conditions... All the riders mentioned are bad ass
4/16/2017 8:02am
If he was such a straight up badass (which he is outdoors) everyone knows the biggest prize in racing is a Supercross title. Which in 14...
If he was such a straight up badass (which he is outdoors) everyone knows the biggest prize in racing is a Supercross title. Which in 14 years he hasn't attempted once, if he wanted to he would have had full factory backing. He chose not too. That'll always be a knock against him. Tortelli, Pichon, Albertyn, Vullimen, Roncada, Bayle etc all had the balls to try. No shame in being afraid or knowing your place I guess.
jemcee wrote:
"everyone knows the biggest prize in racing is a Supercross title".. Do they?
Um pretty much. It's not the GP's and definitely not the ama nationals, kinda thought this was a known thing. Has anyone ever got a nationals...
Um pretty much. It's not the GP's and definitely not the ama nationals, kinda thought this was a known thing. Has anyone ever got a nationals only contract? Has anyone from Europe came over for a nationals contract only? They made poor Albertyn ride Supercross a year after he won the gps and we all saw how that went down. Just stating a fact.
The majority of Euro riders and their fans couldn't care less about supercross.

The GP riders schedule is every bit as hectic as the AMA guys, they do a lot more testing, they do the warm up GP races, the GP series and their countries national series.


My opinion of why Raviolli has been around so long is a combination of his style and work ethic. He brutally smooth, and one of the hardest working guys in mx.

His style is easy on the body and the fact that he keeps himself extremely fit explains his longevity.
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4/16/2017 8:06am
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How has this guy been able to stay at the top (minus 2 years with injury) and stay in his stride while JS7, Reed, RV, have...
How has this guy been able to stay at the top (minus 2 years with injury) and stay in his stride while JS7, Reed, RV, have all either retired, or aren't winning?

Is it the calmness of the GP's? His training? I didn't really give a damn bout the GP's but always somewhat kept up with the fast guys on top.
I was watch the Gp's and watched AC go 1-1 and said to myself wow he really is back to the old AC and winning!
4/16/2017 8:53am
AC is a freak?
Hell yes he is
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4/16/2017 8:53am
For those in doubt. Just watch race 2 from italy today. Badass.
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4/16/2017 8:55am
BWRAAP wrote:
For those in doubt. Just watch race 2 from italy today. Badass.
Nuf said

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