And people say A-kit isn't worth the money LMAO!

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ktmman 4/6/2017 9:45pm
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Lindsey this is more your speed LMFAO!

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Maybe Ktmman has just discovered life beyond the WP4cs, and is all excited...
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Helder wrote:
Happy to be corrected but the "kit" shocks that factory yamaha use are not production sized they have a bigger reservoir and piston, different triple adjuster...
Happy to be corrected but the "kit" shocks that factory yamaha use are not production sized they have a bigger reservoir and piston, different triple adjuster etc.....this shock you can't buy...??
ML512 wrote:
Those aren't "Kit" units, those are "Works" units. We can't buy those.
Yeah thats true, the works shocks dont even compare to the kit stuff i have been told....
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck...
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck Valve or some similar technology) that sets it apart in regards to bottoming resistance.
ML512 wrote:
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and...
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and the other two riders disliked the same fork, it ended up being the one with the Huck Valve inside. Now what I'm going to say, is I don't think it's a bad part necessarily, but it was interesting how a hydraulic lock system that activates that early actually affected the initial part of the stroke and feel.

By blind, I mean none of the riders involved knew which fork had which parts in it, I was the only one in the test that was even aware what we were testing (I wasn't made aware of which fork was which though).
Mike,

How much testing was done with the huck valve? Was it just a huck valve installed with identical valving or was the valving in both the huck valve and the standard shim stacks optimized to work together?

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generallee121 4/6/2017 10:08pm
4/6/2017 10:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2017 10:13pm
ktmman wrote:
Lindsey this is more your speed LMFAO! [img]https://mlm-s1-p.mlstatic.com/triciclo-radio-flyer-big-flyer-trike-juguete-nino-vv4-7582-MLM5242885734_102013-F.jpg[/img]
Lindsey this is more your speed LMFAO!

BAHAHAHA this guy trolling hard and getting Michael all riled up is hilarious.
*hope this doesn't get me clipped* lol
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I could tell from the post under the video that this was bait like a jitterbug on a July sunset. I would have been the 4th one to post, but I refrained. Glad I did, after reading through the posts, I learned that I'm slow and dont know anything about suspension, because l don't have "kit" suspension Laughing
rocketsocks26 4/7/2017 2:30am
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck...
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck Valve or some similar technology) that sets it apart in regards to bottoming resistance.
ML512 wrote:
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and...
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and the other two riders disliked the same fork, it ended up being the one with the Huck Valve inside. Now what I'm going to say, is I don't think it's a bad part necessarily, but it was interesting how a hydraulic lock system that activates that early actually affected the initial part of the stroke and feel.

By blind, I mean none of the riders involved knew which fork had which parts in it, I was the only one in the test that was even aware what we were testing (I wasn't made aware of which fork was which though).
I agree with ml512, the huckvalve is for an inquired taste, they have great bottoming resistance but are very firm at the top of the stroke.. When just sitting on the bike the fork with the huckvalve feels very stiff!
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@lips395 4/7/2017 4:14am
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everyone is fucken crazy craping on about works suspension
Yeah Kit suspension is nice but the truth is all new stock forks on bikes are not far off Kit forks anyway so just valve the things correctly
The shock has some value to it in a Showa shock for example due to having more oil volume
But most us knuckle heads on a forum arnt going to go 5 seconds a lap quicker due to a new Kit shock versus having your stock suspension simply valved correctly
Kx125rider 4/7/2017 4:17am
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So if i soften my forks so they bottom easier it makes me fast?
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brightlights 4/7/2017 4:21am
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Kx125rider wrote:
So if i soften my forks so they bottom easier it makes me fast?
Try it, let us know. We'll be here.
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JWACK 4/7/2017 4:27am
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I don't see the main advantage of kit suspension being bottoming resistance. For me the main advantage is in the small to mid choppy bumps when your on the gas. Or huge braking whoops entering corners. A tuned kit Fork and shock just eats it alive. Personally I can ride a gear higer and feel safer in those situations because I know my bike is going to be consistent and not do anything funny. It allows you to go into different terrain knowing and trusting how your bike will react.
2smokertillend 4/7/2017 4:30am
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Janoy Cresva wrote:
Bottoming doesn't have shit to do with the quality of suspension or what it costs or is called. [img] https://youtu.be/GdM5Xa1Jio0 [/img]
Bottoming doesn't have shit to do with the quality of suspension or what it costs or is called.



Lol your avatar is one of the best
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......I was just happy to find out it wasn't me!
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ML512 wrote:
Did you know that before Vital I worked for Enzo and KYB (racing services)? I've had their works components apart, in my hands, I've tested them...
Did you know that before Vital I worked for Enzo and KYB (racing services)? I've had their works components apart, in my hands, I've tested them personally...

Suspension can easily be bottomed by any level of rider, it depends on the forces applied versus the spring force and damping capabilities of the unit in question.

As my boss used to say, a fork has 12 inches of travel for a reason, so you can use all of it...not 10 inches or 11 inches...all 12.

Who's the fool that clearly knows nothing about suspension?
Michael,

You can't win a fight against teenagers. They know everything and hate everyone. LOL!
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RPM68 4/7/2017 5:24am
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Damn that fool got hammered last night!
OneWordResponseGuy 4/7/2017 5:53am
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ktmman wrote:
Look your obviously not a Showa or Kayaba factory suspension technician, so you don't know anymore about suspension than anyone else in this forum and plus...
Look your obviously not a Showa or Kayaba factory suspension technician, so you don't know anymore about suspension than anyone else in this forum and plus I have seen your riding videos for your bike tests and your not that fast so therefore you are not bottoming works suspension in any scenario end of story! You can fool the fans but you can't fool the players! LMFAO!

Axell Hodges would destroy you on the track and he can't even make top 10 at Loretta's so you claiming that you bottom factory suspension is complete horseshit! Pics or it didn't happen LOLOLOLL

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TXDirt 4/7/2017 6:04am
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Don't be so hard on this guy. We've all had our first beer before too. Laughing
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Acidreamer 4/7/2017 6:06am
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I bet my 250lb fat ass can bottom your factory suspension. Its all in the spring rates and valving.
TheNewOriginal 4/7/2017 6:45am
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Ranch Life wrote:
Well even if he didn't bottom the a-kit, he bottomed out your girl apparently.
ktmman wrote:
You and Lindsey have fun with each other last night LOLOLOLOL
Ranch Life wrote:
What can I say, it was her first Eiffel Tower
Sorry, Ranch Life, you are no match for ktmman. Obviously (by your response), he went way over your head.
TheNewOriginal 4/7/2017 6:49am
4/7/2017 6:49am Edited Date/Time 4/7/2017 6:51am
Acidreamer wrote:
I bet my 250lb fat ass can bottom your factory suspension. Its all in the spring rates and valving.
Do some of you actually think that ktmman believes that one has to be fast to bottom the suspension? Reminds me of the King of the Hill episode where Hank was (accidentally) using Crack as fishing bait. - the fish were jumping into the boat.
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck...
I'm not saying there aren't differences/improvements between the two (i.e...less friction with coatings), but, reasonably identically valved, I don't see A-Kit having anything (like a Huck Valve or some similar technology) that sets it apart in regards to bottoming resistance.
ML512 wrote:
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and...
Interestingly enough, I've done a blind comparison test with a standard hydraulic lock system and a Huck Valve (two others were in this test). Myself and the other two riders disliked the same fork, it ended up being the one with the Huck Valve inside. Now what I'm going to say, is I don't think it's a bad part necessarily, but it was interesting how a hydraulic lock system that activates that early actually affected the initial part of the stroke and feel.

By blind, I mean none of the riders involved knew which fork had which parts in it, I was the only one in the test that was even aware what we were testing (I wasn't made aware of which fork was which though).
rocketsocks26 wrote:
I agree with ml512, the huckvalve is for an inquired taste, they have great bottoming resistance but are very firm at the top of the stroke...
I agree with ml512, the huckvalve is for an inquired taste, they have great bottoming resistance but are very firm at the top of the stroke.. When just sitting on the bike the fork with the huckvalve feels very stiff!
I know that the guy who does my stuff, when he adds a huck valve to a set of forks he then lightens up the original valving to accommodate the huck valve which starts its bottoming system significantly earlier in the stroke. There is a handful of us running them and loving them.
UpTiTe 4/7/2017 7:14am
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ktmman wrote:
Time to buy some A-kit boys! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/24/74940/s1200_20140813_175713.jpg[/img]
Time to buy some A-kit boys!

Why? Do you ride supercross and intend to case a huge quad or triple? Otherwise its just a fat waste of money.
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ML512 wrote:
Did you know that before Vital I worked for Enzo and KYB (racing services)? I've had their works components apart, in my hands, I've tested them...
Did you know that before Vital I worked for Enzo and KYB (racing services)? I've had their works components apart, in my hands, I've tested them personally...

Suspension can easily be bottomed by any level of rider, it depends on the forces applied versus the spring force and damping capabilities of the unit in question.

As my boss used to say, a fork has 12 inches of travel for a reason, so you can use all of it...not 10 inches or 11 inches...all 12.

Who's the fool that clearly knows nothing about suspension?
I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night too.
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OP is all hopped up on goofballs, lets get outta here!
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bvm111 wrote:
The original forks have a base plate of pre-famulated amulite, what makes A kit and Works suspension so special is that they are surmounted by a...
The original forks have a base plate of pre-famulated amulite, what makes A kit and Works suspension so special is that they are surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings are in a direct line with the panametric frame... thus making bottoming impossible without regard to spring rate or valving specification for rider weight and track style... Tongue
LMAO, I have always loved that one. Good timing for this thread!

You don't have to be super fast to bottom shit out, you just have to miss-time shit. I'm proof of that, LOL.
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ktmman wrote:
You and Lindsey have fun with each other last night LOLOLOLOL
Ranch Life wrote:
What can I say, it was her first Eiffel Tower
TheNewOriginal wrote:
Sorry, Ranch Life, you are no match for ktmman. Obviously (by your response), he went way over your head.
Correction. I was high fiving over his girls head ( excuse me, your girls head, almost thought you were someone else)
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I don't disagree that cone valve forks, trax shocks, ohlines, a-kit, and works kits feel better in high speed chop and other sub-par conditions. All suspension still has to have the correct spring rate or air pressure to keep it up where it is designed to operate. At the end of the day it's what makes the rider the most comfortable and the bike the most predictable for the rider. Suspension is a wishey washey, ever changing, black voodoo magic. Track conditions change, each track is different, some days you ride harder, some days you're more smooth. Bottom line is... if you can't do basic suspension setup for your self, $3k-$10k in suspension isn't going to put you on the podium if you were mid pack, unless it was all head games keeping you midpack to begin with. Btw ktmman, you should post your sweet suspension set up.
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