NFL or MX/ SX which is harder to have longevity career wise?

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Sitting here drinking beers with a few friends and watching​ the Detroit SX, a few of my friends think the NFL takes​ more strength and stamina to perform at the top level then what they see a guy riding a dirt bike! I do admit the thought of getting​ hit by 2/3 guys weighing 230-300 plus pounds running and tackling another guy does make me think! What do you guys think I have a round of gentleman jack on the line!!! Never heard of NFL players getting Epstein Barr / mono.
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Mx/Sx for me.Imagine yourself run over or hit by2/3 bikes and riders weighing 350-400 plus pounds OR in my case:Landing-wheelie-dabbing-knee in to the ground-4th gear :-)))Fun times with torn ACL and some other shit :-)))
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When's last time an NFL player suffered the kinds of injuries KRoc has? I can't recall ever to be honest. Teddy Bridgewater is about as close as I can remember recently. He wasn't in danger of losing his leg though.
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Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons.
One thing I will say, there is a better chance of making a living playing in the NFL vs. professional MX/SX because of the sheer numbers. There have never been 32 top tier MX/SX teams!
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When I think NFL I think concussions,torn ACL broke ankle and bad knees!

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According to the NFL Players Association, the average player's career length is about 3.3 years.
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Wandell wrote:
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons. One thing I will say, there is...
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons.
One thing I will say, there is a better chance of making a living playing in the NFL vs. professional MX/SX because of the sheer numbers. There have never been 32 top tier MX/SX teams!
You played in the NFL? And I totally agree with the salary, making a living riding a dirt bike and being set for life only applies to a few!
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3/31/2017 11:19am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2017 11:21am
Loaded question. Depends on the position in the NFL. Running back? No way. Quarterback? Probably a lot more career than MX.

I have no problem having the same discussions with my buds over a few beers. However, they don't translate to forums well, just because people get so hostile over it. You'd think more than a few of these guys had their high school girl stolen by a football jock or something.

The biggest thing I find with this type of conversation is the difference between competing at at high level, and being an athletic specimen of God. Riding motocross is extremely taxing physically, but I wouldn't exactly call Chad Reed or Ricky Carmichael god given athletes. I've seen them shoot hoops or swing a golf club. NFL players on the other hand have to be skilled, and physically gifted. The ability to run a 4.4 40 or forcibly push as much weight as those guys do has to start as a genetic advantage that can be honed and improved thru hard work.
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Pretty even comparison......both take a huge toll on the body. Average career duration in the NFL is three years and performing MX/SX at the elite level is a really small window.
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After working around NFL and retired NFL athletes and seeing the everyday pain they go through everyday, In the long, run I'd guess NFL is more taxing on your body. A lot of these guys are carrying absurd amounts of weight on them affecting joints. A lot of these retired NFL players are aching and in pain 24/7.
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You also have to look at when guys enter the pros and when they peak. Is Forkner even 18 yet? How old is Dungey now? Peak years for motocross is probably 18-25. That's like 5-8 years and then you slide. Pro players start career later and if you can hang around can have a longer career then pro racers. Motocross racing is a young mans game.
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3/31/2017 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/31/2017 12:31pm
Strength is debatable (crack head Manziel is an example)

Stamina? No way. I doubt anyone on any NFL team could do a 30 minute moto at full speed if their life depended on it. MX guys train like they are doing an Ironman. NFL players are sucking wind after 4 plays. AND they even get to rest between plays.
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Rockinar wrote:
Strength is debatable (crack head Manziel is an example) Stamina? No way. I doubt anyone on any NFL team could do a 30 minute moto at...
Strength is debatable (crack head Manziel is an example)

Stamina? No way. I doubt anyone on any NFL team could do a 30 minute moto at full speed if their life depended on it. MX guys train like they are doing an Ironman. NFL players are sucking wind after 4 plays. AND they even get to rest between plays.
Plus they need a pep talk from coaches and trainers to get up off the field when there "hurt". Heck 90% of the time a rider gets up and runs back to his bike to keep going. Greatest example in my book was Chad Reed at Millville in 2012 I think it was
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NFL. not.for.long
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As for comparing the two directly, its tough. Career longevity is apples to oranges IMO. You have The Anderson brothers (kickers) who have ridiculously long careers. Then you have LB's, QB's and RB's who, by the numbers, have much shorter average careers. In MX/SX you just have a rider.

There is only a 1.5% chance of making the transition from NCAA to the NFL, a 9.1% chance NCAA to MLB, 1.1% chance NCAA to NBA, 5.1% chance NCAA to NHL and 1.4% chance NCAA to MLS. I would see that as a top level (top 10) A/B racer at Lorettas going straight to a fully funded ride in AX, SX or Outdoors. Canada, Australia and MX2/MXGP series don't count since they aren't US based series.

Both sports have a high probability for a career ending injury between practice, off the field/track training and games/races. The year round schedules are similar. Football runs from July-February in the NFL between mini camp, preseason, regular season and playoffs. AX/SX/Outdoors goes Jan-August. Both 8 month seasons of 2-3 full contact/race pace practices a week plus one game/race. What it boils down to more in each sport IMO is the politics, can the guy get a contract? How good is your agent? How well are you regarded by team management/in the locker room? I know of a few former teammates and current friends who had their careers cut short simply out of politics. The salary cap fucks guys hard these days. Teams cut the veteran who has a bigger contract in favor of the cheaper rookie and gamble that they will get a similar or better ROI. Its a business these days.

Coming from someone who played at the 1-AA College level and now in my third year racing hare scrambles, I would put my now 31yo self against 19yo me any day conditioning wise. Strength wise, its a tossup. The training is totally different and the muscle groups used are utilized in completely different ways. I don't need to deadlift 400lbs, but doing your body weight 12x in a row then moving on to a similar muscle group and repeating that circuit sure helps. Training completely on sprint cardio doesn't help, but mixing it in to an hour of cardio to simulate a peak in heartrate after a mistake, crash etc helps.
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There is no doubt that a football player needs to be stronger than a SX or MX rider but when it comes to stamina it swings over to the riders. Career length is Determined by injuries.
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3/31/2017 2:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/31/2017 2:16pm
JW381 wrote:
Loaded question. Depends on the position in the NFL. Running back? No way. Quarterback? Probably a lot more career than MX. I have no problem having...
Loaded question. Depends on the position in the NFL. Running back? No way. Quarterback? Probably a lot more career than MX.

I have no problem having the same discussions with my buds over a few beers. However, they don't translate to forums well, just because people get so hostile over it. You'd think more than a few of these guys had their high school girl stolen by a football jock or something.

The biggest thing I find with this type of conversation is the difference between competing at at high level, and being an athletic specimen of God. Riding motocross is extremely taxing physically, but I wouldn't exactly call Chad Reed or Ricky Carmichael god given athletes. I've seen them shoot hoops or swing a golf club. NFL players on the other hand have to be skilled, and physically gifted. The ability to run a 4.4 40 or forcibly push as much weight as those guys do has to start as a genetic advantage that can be honed and improved thru hard work.
Lmao about the high school jock comment! I think stamina is important and pretty huge running 100yards up and down a foot ball field is different then riding a bike I only say this because it was mentioned that riders have better stamina! Lol after watching the Detroit SX there were quite few guys dropping anchor! Lol Davi Millsap even said he was done! As far as guys crashing I don't see to many guys getting bk in the race and finishing once the medical team runs out on the track.. Example Cooper Web but I like the fight in MX SX! But I still wouldn't want get hit by Sherman! Lol
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NFL Players say,they dont start feeling somewhat normal until the following Friday after a Sunday game. Than,they do it all over again 2 days later. Is there any SX/MX pro ,that could carry the ball 3 consecutive plays,than has to block a blitzing linebacker on the next play? Or take a hit from a Safety at full speed?
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SwingHard wrote:
NFL Players say,they dont start feeling somewhat normal until the following Friday after a Sunday game. Than,they do it all over again 2 days later. Is...
NFL Players say,they dont start feeling somewhat normal until the following Friday after a Sunday game. Than,they do it all over again 2 days later. Is there any SX/MX pro ,that could carry the ball 3 consecutive plays,than has to block a blitzing linebacker on the next play? Or take a hit from a Safety at full speed?
How many racers are 250 pounds of pure muscle?

If you put a football player on a bike and take him out trail riding all day I guarantee he will feel sore in places he never knew exisisted.

Different sports require different specializations with body and mind.
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I was a running back for six years, I got the piss knocked out of me many times. Broke a couple ribs and most of my fingers and had several concussions. I rode Moto while playing, so I wasn't just doing one. I've had my fair share of broken bones on the bike, but some rides I wouldn't go down, some I would. As a running back there was a good chance whenever I was handed the ball I was going to get lit up.
Like stated earlier, it's apples to oranges. Both can have injuries that end it in a second.
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SwingHard wrote:
NFL Players say,they dont start feeling somewhat normal until the following Friday after a Sunday game. Than,they do it all over again 2 days later. Is...
NFL Players say,they dont start feeling somewhat normal until the following Friday after a Sunday game. Than,they do it all over again 2 days later. Is there any SX/MX pro ,that could carry the ball 3 consecutive plays,than has to block a blitzing linebacker on the next play? Or take a hit from a Safety at full speed?
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How many racers are 250 pounds of pure muscle? If you put a football player on a bike and take him out trail riding all day...
How many racers are 250 pounds of pure muscle?

If you put a football player on a bike and take him out trail riding all day I guarantee he will feel sore in places he never knew exisisted.

Different sports require different specializations with body and mind.
Just responding to the OP,his buddy's thinking it takes more strength & stamina to play in the NFL vs SX/MX. And I agree with you, he will be sore. But,will it take him 5-6 days to recover?
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Rockinar wrote:
Strength is debatable (crack head Manziel is an example) Stamina? No way. I doubt anyone on any NFL team could do a 30 minute moto at...
Strength is debatable (crack head Manziel is an example)

Stamina? No way. I doubt anyone on any NFL team could do a 30 minute moto at full speed if their life depended on it. MX guys train like they are doing an Ironman. NFL players are sucking wind after 4 plays. AND they even get to rest between plays.
I highly disagree with you. Your post is full of nonsensical generalizations, and I think you missed the mark completely.
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How about this theory would a rider with a little more body mass (muscle) be able to take the hits of MX/SX because it seems the lean volleyball look makes these guys seem rather fragile! Maybe Conard could use a little more mass I believe AC even said he was to small..Just wondering!
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Wandell wrote:
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons. One thing I will say, there is...
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons.
One thing I will say, there is a better chance of making a living playing in the NFL vs. professional MX/SX because of the sheer numbers. There have never been 32 top tier MX/SX teams!
No way do you have a better chance making the NFL. Yes there are more jobs but there are also 1000x more guys competing for those jobs.

Motocross is a nitch sport. There are probably guys out there that could have been way more talented then Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart but never got the opportunity because they never stepped near a dirt bike.
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Wandell wrote:
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons. One thing I will say, there is...
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons.
One thing I will say, there is a better chance of making a living playing in the NFL vs. professional MX/SX because of the sheer numbers. There have never been 32 top tier MX/SX teams!
No way do you have a better chance making the NFL. Yes there are more jobs but there are also 1000x more guys competing for those...
No way do you have a better chance making the NFL. Yes there are more jobs but there are also 1000x more guys competing for those jobs.

Motocross is a nitch sport. There are probably guys out there that could have been way more talented then Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart but never got the opportunity because they never stepped near a dirt bike.
If you make the NFL, you have a better chance of "making a living" perhaps, but in MX/SX you don't necessarily have to be on a top tier team to make a living. Jason Thomas or Jimmy Albertson are good examples. One could assume that they were/are "making a living" racing but haven't spent a whole lot of time on top teams. In the NFL, if you aren't on a team you can't simply renew your pro card and enter events.

It certainly is an apples to oranges comparison, and one that comes up often. Usually it's from some sort of insecurity on the riding side. I haven't seen a whole lot of discussions from football fans worried about how other sports compare in strength or fitness compared to football.......
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3/31/2017 9:51pm
Wandell wrote:
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons. One thing I will say, there is...
Having played football and raced mx, it's comparing apples to oranges. Might as well compare powerlifting and running marathons.
One thing I will say, there is a better chance of making a living playing in the NFL vs. professional MX/SX because of the sheer numbers. There have never been 32 top tier MX/SX teams!
No way do you have a better chance making the NFL. Yes there are more jobs but there are also 1000x more guys competing for those...
No way do you have a better chance making the NFL. Yes there are more jobs but there are also 1000x more guys competing for those jobs.

Motocross is a nitch sport. There are probably guys out there that could have been way more talented then Ricky Carmichael or James Stewart but never got the opportunity because they never stepped near a dirt bike.
APLMAN99 wrote:
If you make the NFL, you have a better chance of "making a living" perhaps, but in MX/SX you don't necessarily have to be on a...
If you make the NFL, you have a better chance of "making a living" perhaps, but in MX/SX you don't necessarily have to be on a top tier team to make a living. Jason Thomas or Jimmy Albertson are good examples. One could assume that they were/are "making a living" racing but haven't spent a whole lot of time on top teams. In the NFL, if you aren't on a team you can't simply renew your pro card and enter events.

It certainly is an apples to oranges comparison, and one that comes up often. Usually it's from some sort of insecurity on the riding side. I haven't seen a whole lot of discussions from football fans worried about how other sports compare in strength or fitness compared to football.......
Yup, mass insecurity. Goes back to the high school jock comment.

None of my friends who play traditional sports take MX all that seriously when I talk about it. Somehow, someway, that doesn't diminish the smile on my face after a moto.
4/1/2017 3:39am
A buddy of mine was a running back/safety in the nfl for 3 years, two on the practice team and one as a player and he races mx. We've had this discussion and he says mx guys have it easy, they have 3 hard crashes a year that they have to recover from, nfl guys have 50 or 60 hard crashes a game and 10 to 20 every practice they have to recover from. He will tell you lineman, tight ends and running backs a feel like they've been in a major car accident after every game.

Two different sports, two different ways of abusing the body. Personally I dont think moto guys give nfl nearly tje respect they deserve and most other sports don't give mx guys the respect they deserve.

One thing I'll say, my buddy is 50 and I would put him against any moto guy in any type of athletic competition any day.
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Are we including the 370 pounders?

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