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For years, the MXDN was a 125, a 250 and a 500 on each team, 3 distinct classes. Obviously things have changed, and not to make this a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke thing, but the fact that we end up having 2 classes of essentially 450 bikes makes it a little boring. Not sure what can be done as many manufacturers only make those 2 sizes of bike, but we need to figure out a way to have a 3rd bike size in the race. Obviously the 125 class comes to mind for me, The MXGP series has a EMX125 class and I am sure there are many riders in the states that ride a 125 very well. Maybe not the Dungeys and Osbornes but any one of the fast Loretta kids would do fine. The problem is the lack of 125s out there. I dunno, just talking out my ass but having essentially 2 identical classes makes the race lose a bit of its identity, Read back to 1996 when we had both MC and Emig at the peaks of their careers, Jeff Emig "jumped on his sword" for USA and rode the 500 class so MC could stay on the 250. We had arguably the most dominant race in history with MC, Emig and Lamson all going 1-1. But the point is, Emig was forced to ride a bike he wasnt used to, he sucked it up and in doing so added to the legacy of the race. We need to bring that back!!!
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As for the OP, IMO having 2 450 classes doesn't make the race lose its identity anywhere near as much as replacing one of them with a 125 class would. Instead of having each nations best 2 450 riders you'd end up with some kid that most have never heard of and is most likely going to be a million miles off the pace
When you look at competitions such as the Golf Ryder Cup, Europe gets to combine its talent to be competitive against the US. MxdN could consider a similar concept. As an example that comes to mind, allow countries with population fewer than 10 or 20 million to double enter the MxdN. They could be tabulated as just their own 3 racers and ALSO pre-event designate one of those 3 racers as having their score counted in a 3 country pool of their mutual choosing.
An example of an outcome would be to have a competitive Slovenian / Lithuanian / Swiss pool (Tim Gajser, Arminas Jasikonis, Valentin Guillod). How would that pool compete against France and the USA.?
But I agree, suddenly injecting a 125 two-stroke class into the fray after a full season of two classes makes no sense. Imagine the 125 + MXGP race with Cairoli/Gajser/Roczen/Tomac in there with a bunch of kids.
Pro racing is a two-class world now. I'm not sure what they should so.
I would love to see some form of "USA vs. Europe" format, but I don't want to exclude the Pacific or South America or wherever. So I dunno. I do know this: An expanded Team USA would potentially be tremendous. But could you imagine an expanded "Team Europe"? I mean, look at what France brings as it is.
Age limits, as has been done before , means guys get picked because they are the right age, while others have to sit on the sidelines
If you remove Dungey and Tomac from our series, how does it matchup to MXGP.? Compare the speed of AMA racers that finish between 5-10 to MxGP racers that finish between 5-10. Our best is as good as their best but is our 5-10 as good as their 5-10.?
What if Team Europe crushes us year after year.?
I think little countries being allowed to enter in groups of 3 is worth exploring. Whatever results in the most competitive outcome is best.
So, for lack of a better solution, I'm intrigued by a quasi-continental format: Europe, North America, South America, Pacific. But I dunno.
I guess I would need to know what they are comparing.
"MXGP is a joke" Quality of management AMA vs MxGP.? OK I can understand that MxGP has some serious issues with their decision making
"MXGP is a joke" Quality of event locations overall.? That would need a whole thread to explore and still not end with a clear answer.
"MXGP is a joke" Quality of racers.? That would be a very ignorant thing to say
"the two American series are so much better than anything else"
Taken as a whole, I would have to agree with the statement. Just the concept of doing a lower speed highly technical Supercross back-to-back with a faster more open Mx series is a huge concept win for the US. The inevitable mix of sand, hardpack, ruts, and mud are also a big advantage over European overdependence on sand. The greater ability for privateers to compete. Not having the racer and team drain of repeated international travel. Every aspect seems to end with an advantage for the AMA
Herlings got enough help from Coldenhoff to beat us straight up 30-33, but I still agree with your point. Whats the likelihood of the Netherlands beating us again.? If they beat us, its huge. If we beat them, its whats expected. We dont get credit. You only get credit for wins over equally matched opponents.
So how do you maximize the highest number of equally matched opponents.?
I think the open class should be 480cc or bigger.
That would help with development
Pit Row
250 cc 2 strokes, 250fs and 450s
I fell like it's kinda fitting that it's usually what decides the event
No homogeneous rule so you could ride an older 2 stroke motor in a new frame. Who Would want to ride something like that ?
Yeah. That would suck. And dont allow efi 2 stroke KTMs or anybody who races the emx 250 class in the MXdN.
Save the racing for the 4 strokes.
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