Is it legal to cut the front brake line?

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Radical 2/12/2017 5:00pm
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I don't see the problem with cutting the line, or removing the front brake altogether.
A rider knows what he has to work with. If you don't have a front brake, you adjust for it.
It shouldn't be dangerous.
What surprised me is how long it took to get Tomac back on the track.
Same with Cooper. The mechanics at this level should be able to change a wheel in half the time it took them.
And yes, I could get the time down to half consistently.
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Tim507 2/12/2017 5:22pm
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Riding without a front brake is good training and it seems to me that ET is still in trainingWhistling Silly Shocked

Year ago a took a Montesa 250 and built a chrome moly frame for it. We were riding in the Cle Elum area of WA State on some awesome single track. The rear brake stay weld broke -- ya go figureSilly Cool Usually I was the leader of the group...sheet I was at the back of the pack...can't have that! Took about 10 minutes and I was again leading the packWoohoo Yes riding without a rear brake is good training also.

When I was racing in Germany in 73 to 75, when training we would do one or two or three of these things....disconnect the rear or front brake and or take of the seat. We always timed some of the laps - the fastest rider did not have to buy dinner that night.......Evil
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yamahaha131 2/12/2017 5:35pm
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Moto95 wrote:
After watching the races several times already, looks to me like Tomac had a problem with the front brake all night, even going back to the...
After watching the races several times already, looks to me like Tomac had a problem with the front brake all night, even going back to the heat races. That is what caused the crash, not rider error. Watch it again.
Agreed
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bobojim 2/12/2017 11:58pm
2/12/2017 11:58pm Edited Date/Time 2/13/2017 12:01am
Radical wrote:
I don't see the problem with cutting the line, or removing the front brake altogether. A rider knows what he has to work with. If you...
I don't see the problem with cutting the line, or removing the front brake altogether.
A rider knows what he has to work with. If you don't have a front brake, you adjust for it.
It shouldn't be dangerous.
What surprised me is how long it took to get Tomac back on the track.
Same with Cooper. The mechanics at this level should be able to change a wheel in half the time it took them.
And yes, I could get the time down to half consistently.
I dont understand why it took so long either. It almost seemed like they did agree with Tomac that there was a problem. So they didnt know what to do. Maybe just frustration, or maybe not working together really well Shocked

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Crush 2/13/2017 12:19am
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I think the real question is how the fuck do you bend a brake rotor falling over to the right hand side and with a carbon fibre disc protector?!?! Sure as shit not buying one of those, Lightspeed!
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Xavier 2/13/2017 12:23am
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slipdog wrote:
Bike has to be tech legal when the gate drops, after that anything goes!
450 SX is sanctioned by FIM, not AMA.

And FIM has that sound check AFTER the finish at most GP's.

The year Everts lost a world title to Tortelli, he was penalized for a damaged silencer at a GP in Brazil and had he not been, it would have changed the outcome of the championship.

So, no, it's not "anything goes" after the gate drops for the FIM (at least in outdoor racing).
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CrGuy2T 2/13/2017 2:04am
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On those khi rotors the center piece is aluminum. I wonder if that the part that may have bent. This is of course of the rotor was actually bent.
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Bearuno 2/13/2017 2:17am
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Quite a few GP riders have been either black flagged or had their points / position taken from them when they've had damaged mufflers and noticeably loud from it, during a Moto. I think I recall Davide Philipaerts being black flagged during a Moto in Italy, a few seasons ago. You saw the officials get to a corner, and, seemingly direct a sound meter towards him, then flag him in, and check it to Stds. Maybe even Cairoli got nailed for it once, too.

They take no prisoners with the sound rules in GPs. Very hard on a rider with say, crash damage, but, it's how it goes.

Aus_Rider_22 2/13/2017 2:24am
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Bearuno wrote:
Quite a few GP riders have been either black flagged or had their points / position taken from them when they've had damaged mufflers and noticeably...
Quite a few GP riders have been either black flagged or had their points / position taken from them when they've had damaged mufflers and noticeably loud from it, during a Moto. I think I recall Davide Philipaerts being black flagged during a Moto in Italy, a few seasons ago. You saw the officials get to a corner, and, seemingly direct a sound meter towards him, then flag him in, and check it to Stds. Maybe even Cairoli got nailed for it once, too.

They take no prisoners with the sound rules in GPs. Very hard on a rider with say, crash damage, but, it's how it goes.

That's a ridiculous ruling! Penalize a rider for a defect from a crash that may have been no fault of there own?
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Motofinne 2/13/2017 2:36am
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Not only GP riders. I think it's a FIM ruling.

Even at our races here in Finland you'll get black flagged if something goes wrong with the muffler. We also have soundtesting for all the bikes before a race. From 65cc bikes to 450cc bikes. From 9 year olds to 60 year old vets. If you fail the test you wont be racing.
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Bearuno 2/13/2017 3:12am
2/13/2017 3:12am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2017 3:45am
Bearuno wrote:
Quite a few GP riders have been either black flagged or had their points / position taken from them when they've had damaged mufflers and noticeably...
Quite a few GP riders have been either black flagged or had their points / position taken from them when they've had damaged mufflers and noticeably loud from it, during a Moto. I think I recall Davide Philipaerts being black flagged during a Moto in Italy, a few seasons ago. You saw the officials get to a corner, and, seemingly direct a sound meter towards him, then flag him in, and check it to Stds. Maybe even Cairoli got nailed for it once, too.

They take no prisoners with the sound rules in GPs. Very hard on a rider with say, crash damage, but, it's how it goes.

Aus_Rider_22 wrote:
That's a ridiculous ruling! Penalize a rider for a defect from a crash that may have been no fault of there own?
I think it's bloody harsh, too. Prang damage, is not cheating.

But, there's a rule, and it's enforceable.

All you need is to have a rabid 'EPA' type of official at an event, detect a breach, to have things shut down. Yes, they have that sort of power, in many places.

RV beat Dungey by 12 points in 2011 in the Nationals. The 9th place that he got in the Moto at Red Budd(?) which he damaged his muffler in, garnered him 12 points. I assume ( perhaps wrongly) he would have won the title on a count back of race wins, but if the full on FIM World Championships rules were applicable, it could have cost him a title. Wonder what they'd do in a 450 SX main? Food for thought.
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GangGreen 2/13/2017 6:01am
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Crush wrote:
I think the real question is how the fuck do you bend a brake rotor falling over to the right hand side and with a carbon...
I think the real question is how the fuck do you bend a brake rotor falling over to the right hand side and with a carbon fibre disc protector?!?! Sure as shit not buying one of those, Lightspeed!
Maybe it happened here, when he runs into the rear wheel of #88,John Short, and the mechanics just missed it? Maybe that smooth section where he fell was down to the plywood?

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tprice07 2/13/2017 7:13am
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You can finish with a flat tire, plus I don't think RV ever used his front brakes.
TheOriginalPancakee 2/13/2017 7:26am
2/13/2017 7:26am
MR. X wrote:
It's definitely illegal to cut someone else's front brake line.
Nooo....don't you do it? I do it everytime I race. The old distract and cut technique. Tongue
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Mr. Info 2/13/2017 8:43am
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It was a bent rotor and that left him with no front brake anyway so cut the line and no pulsing or locking up

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