No chase - no chance

cmarona463
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twotwosix wrote:
Nascar just got rid of the chase...
Ummmmmmm no they didn't
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1/26/2017 4:17pm
But it's fake. It's artificial. Oh yeah,,,, everything that today's culture values.
TripleFive wrote:
And you consider the year long points schedule to be ... organic?

It's all made up, bruh.
Cool. Just do it this way then. If it's so important to NOT know who will be the champ until the last race, just wait until...
Cool. Just do it this way then. If it's so important to NOT know who will be the champ until the last race, just wait until it's over and do a lottery to see which two race's points actually count... That way Roczen can still win. If every race doesn't count, you might as well be playing bingo.
OFFICIAL FELD ANNOUNCEMENT.

only the first 2 rounds on the ama supercross series count towards the title. Ken Roczen is you're winner!!!
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Now with 94 out it looks like Dungy is going to dominate once again. It looks like he'll have the season wrapped up a few rounds...
Now with 94 out it looks like Dungy is going to dominate once again. It looks like he'll have the season wrapped up a few rounds early also. Do they need anymore proof that it's time for a Chase format?
What, so he can stay healthy and smart and build up a lead to lose the whole deal over a few bad luck incidents?

Part of racing and series is attrition. Participation trophys have made the world soft.

Dungey Crashed out of the outdoors and lost with an injury.
Roczen may be in his shoes now. Dungey hasn't won the title yet.
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1/26/2017 4:29pm
twotwosix wrote:
Nascar just got rid of the chase...
No, they are renaming it "playoffs"

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1/26/2017 4:32pm
My guy didn't win this isn't fair!







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My guy didn't win this isn't fair!







Get back to work. You need to pay her bills and buy her food.
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My guy didn't win this isn't fair!







uh...well that about sums up the reasons FOR a chase format
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TripleFive wrote:
And you consider the year long points schedule to be ... organic?

It's all made up, bruh.
Cool. Just do it this way then. If it's so important to NOT know who will be the champ until the last race, just wait until...
Cool. Just do it this way then. If it's so important to NOT know who will be the champ until the last race, just wait until it's over and do a lottery to see which two race's points actually count... That way Roczen can still win. If every race doesn't count, you might as well be playing bingo.
OFFICIAL FELD ANNOUNCEMENT.

only the first 2 rounds on the ama supercross series count towards the title. Ken Roczen is you're winner!!!
That's gold.
1/26/2017 5:01pm
Juice_Mann wrote:
Yeah let's punish the guy that's been the most consistent and prepared for the season by resetting the points.

The chase format is NOT meant to punish a rider or riders. The purpose of the chase format is to close the points gap to create more excitement for fans, gain more fans, possibly intrigue future outside sponsors for Supercross, riders, teams.

Supercross is a sport, but it's also an ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS.

More excitement means gaining more fans......more fans will buy bikes, gear, parts, ticket sales will raise, etc.

Change is good for the sport, if it doesn't work out for one SX season, then go back to the original standard points system.



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twotwosix wrote:
Nascar just got rid of the chase...
Jimmie Johnson figured out how to win the chase system better than anyone else, so now they reworked the system to keep him from winning Championship #8 and becoming the new "King" of NASCAR.
.... or maybe to help Dale Jr. win one before he retires. Whistling
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At this point I'd probably be more interested in just letting them ride around for 20 minutes doing whips. I just like to watch the top guys ride anyway. Practice is my favorite part of the day.
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twotwosix wrote:
Nascar just got rid of the chase...
g0rd057 wrote:
Jimmie Johnson figured out how to win the chase system better than anyone else, so now they reworked the system to keep him from winning Championship...
Jimmie Johnson figured out how to win the chase system better than anyone else, so now they reworked the system to keep him from winning Championship #8 and becoming the new "King" of NASCAR.
.... or maybe to help Dale Jr. win one before he retires. Whistling
Or, because they are still having troubles with attendance and ratings. They lost a lot of fans with high prices, boring 2 mile tracks and gimmicks like The Chase. IMO, they are now grasping at straws trying to gimmick their way to excitement.
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I like the Chase format we already have. Which is everybody chasing Dunge.
Let it go.
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1/26/2017 6:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2017 6:32pm
If people are going to try to fix the entertainment level of Supercross with stuff that has been tried in other forms of entertainment then we should also look to those forms for examples that didn't work.

A prime example would be to look into the statement feld released recently concerning the closing of the Ringling brothers circus. In it they specifically cited the loss of elephants as one of the reasons attendance had dropped off.

To prevent the same demise we need to add more elephants to supercross.

Elephants can take over start card responsibilities. Monster should be thrilled. Think of the signage compared to those tiny outfits the monster girls wear.

Trained elephants can take over safety worker jobs. No longer will riders be able to whine they didn't see the flag. Disregard the flag at your own peril. The next time they come around there will be a trunk waiting for them. Bike down in the track? Jumbo will take care of it.

You're welcome feld and all the supercross fans craving a better show.
1/26/2017 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2017 6:57pm
JustMX wrote:
If people are going to try to fix the entertainment level of Supercross with stuff that has been tried in other forms of entertainment then we...
If people are going to try to fix the entertainment level of Supercross with stuff that has been tried in other forms of entertainment then we should also look to those forms for examples that didn't work.

A prime example would be to look into the statement feld released recently concerning the closing of the Ringling brothers circus. In it they specifically cited the loss of elephants as one of the reasons attendance had dropped off.

To prevent the same demise we need to add more elephants to supercross.

Elephants can take over start card responsibilities. Monster should be thrilled. Think of the signage compared to those tiny outfits the monster girls wear.

Trained elephants can take over safety worker jobs. No longer will riders be able to whine they didn't see the flag. Disregard the flag at your own peril. The next time they come around there will be a trunk waiting for them. Bike down in the track? Jumbo will take care of it.

You're welcome feld and all the supercross fans craving a better show.
You got it all wrong, dude. They should just race the elephants. Imagine Jason Anderson's elephant, with its Husqvarna banner flailing in the wind, block passing Vince Friese's MCR elephant right over the berm and into the stands! That shit would sell out stadiums every week.
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1/26/2017 7:59pm
For the love of all that's holy (which includes moto)...no.
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You got it all wrong, dude. They should just race the elephants. Imagine Jason Anderson's elephant, with its Husqvarna banner flailing in the wind, block passing...
You got it all wrong, dude. They should just race the elephants. Imagine Jason Anderson's elephant, with its Husqvarna banner flailing in the wind, block passing Vince Friese's MCR elephant right over the berm and into the stands! That shit would sell out stadiums every week.
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1/26/2017 8:05pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2017 8:06pm
twotwosix wrote:
Nascar just got rid of the chase...
cmarona463 wrote:
Ummmmmmm no they didn't
"No longer will NASCAR racing have a "Chase." Henceforth, "playoff" will be the operative term for all three series."

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2017/01/24/No-more-Chase-NASCAR-changes-…
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twotwosix wrote:
Nascar just got rid of the chase...
cmarona463 wrote:
Ummmmmmm no they didn't
twotwosix wrote:
"No longer will NASCAR racing have a "Chase." Henceforth, "playoff" will be the operative term for all three series."

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2017/01/24/No-more-Chase-NASCAR-changes-…
"In addition, and this is the second major innovation for 2017, the winners of the first two stages earn one playoff point each, and those points are carried forward throughout the first three rounds of the 10-race playoff at the end of the season."

They did not get rid of the chase. The chase was the 10 race playoff at the end of the season. They are now just calling it the playoffs. They tweaked the way points are paid during races, and did not get rid of it.
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twotwosix wrote:
Nascar just got rid of the chase...
TommyLee93 wrote:
Changed in name only. • The playoffs will remain divided into three three-race rounds with four drivers eliminated after each round to set up four finalists...
Changed in name only.

• The playoffs will remain divided into three three-race rounds with four drivers eliminated after each round to set up four finalists for the season finale at Homestead-Miami Speedway. Drivers automatically qualify into the next round with a win in that playoff round, and the remaining spots filled by the point standings. At Homestead, the top-finishing driver among the four finalists at the end of the race wins the title.
Under the new format, races will consist of three stages, with championship implications in each stage. The top-10 finishers in each stage will be awarded additional championship points. The winner of the first two stages of each race will receive one playoff point, and the race winner will receive five playoff points. Each playoff point will be added to a driver's reset total following the 26th race, if that competitor makes the playoffs.

The structure also ensures that competition will be dialed up throughout the duration of the 26-race regular season, as points for both stage winners and race winners will transfer into the postseason -- and an official regular-season champion will be crownded, and rewarded with 15 playoff points to the driver's playoff reset of 2,000. The stage format also gives fans a pair of natural breaks in the action.

All playoff points will carry through to the end of the third round of the postseason (Round of 8), with the Championship 4 racing straight-up at Homestead-Miami Speedway for the title.

Championship points following the first two stages of each race will be awarded on a descending scale, with the stage winner receiving 10 points, second earning nine points, and so on. The race winner following the final stage will receive 40 points, second-place will earn 35, third-place 34, fourth-place 33, and so on.

In addition, the top-10 drivers in regular-season points also will receive playoff points with second place earning 10 points, third place getting eight points, fourth place obtaining seven points, and so on.
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jj welks wrote:
You say that like Dungey wouldn't win anyways. Dungey has the game figured out, nobody on earth is gonna match his consistency in sx.
RV matched it...
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Juice_Mann wrote:
Yeah let's punish the guy that's been the most consistent and prepared for the season by resetting the points.
travist198 wrote:
The chase format is NOT meant to punish a rider or riders. The purpose of the chase format is to close the points gap to create...

The chase format is NOT meant to punish a rider or riders. The purpose of the chase format is to close the points gap to create more excitement for fans, gain more fans, possibly intrigue future outside sponsors for Supercross, riders, teams.

Supercross is a sport, but it's also an ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS.

More excitement means gaining more fans......more fans will buy bikes, gear, parts, ticket sales will raise, etc.

Change is good for the sport, if it doesn't work out for one SX season, then go back to the original standard points system.



If you think a chase format will grow the sport you are on drugs. Let me go tell my co-workers that SX is now doing a chase format. They didn't give a shit last year and I doubt this will change their opinion of the sport. I will tell them just for you though.
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OFFICIAL FELD ANNOUNCEMENT.

only the first 2 rounds on the ama supercross series count towards the title. Ken Roczen is you're winner!!!
*your

#notmychampion

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I don't think the chase format will ever happen. It would really devalue the sport IMO, if they are that desperate for entertainment (at the expense of fairness) they may as well have guys on the track on stilts wearing clown costumes trying to knock the riders off with a padded joust.
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travist198 wrote:
The chase format is NOT meant to punish a rider or riders. The purpose of the chase format is to close the points gap to create...

The chase format is NOT meant to punish a rider or riders. The purpose of the chase format is to close the points gap to create more excitement for fans, gain more fans, possibly intrigue future outside sponsors for Supercross, riders, teams.

Supercross is a sport, but it's also an ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS.

More excitement means gaining more fans......more fans will buy bikes, gear, parts, ticket sales will raise, etc.

Change is good for the sport, if it doesn't work out for one SX season, then go back to the original standard points system.





You nailed it exactly.

It's got nothing to do with punishing anyone. They aren't going to change it mid season. So for now Dungey can cruise on in to another title. Which he will deserve as not crashing is part of earning more points.

Every other popular major sport has a "play-off" type of structure. This is meant to keep the series interesting as long as they can. And that is the ultimate goal with a chase system.

They were going to implement it this year in SX. So at least they are thinking about it....

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Poker Run.
That's a good one .
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With a Chase format, a rider could go into the last 3 races with a 74 point lead and lose to a guy who missed half a season or more.

Think about that.
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danf250f wrote:
Perhaps they should just give a participation award at the end so those that don't win won't feel disappointed. We certainly don't want the best rider...
Perhaps they should just give a participation award at the end so those that don't win won't feel disappointed. We certainly don't want the best rider all season to win everything.


1/27/2017 9:22am
I like the Chase format we already have. Which is everybody chasing Dunge.
Let it go.
Maybe we should call it the Runner-Up Chase?

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