What Does Honda Do Now??

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If they put Noren or Brayton on KRocs bike it will be a huge disappointment, neither one of those two is going to get a top ten. We already now what each of them are capable of, Brayton is winding down his career and Noren isnt a Factory caliber rider.

If they put Mookie on it and James gets Mookies Zuke, IMHO it would be very exciting and creative but I dont think it will ever happen. Deano makes the most sense but he would be selling out on Yamaha who has helped him this year.

Mookie seems to be the best fit.
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I'd stick someone on it just for the testing miles.. or bring Shorty back.

Just because they wont win, doesn't mean to say that the testing isn't valuable, they might push a few things they wont want to risk with Seeley.

Weimer or Wilson, but like you say Wilson is kinda in the Blu Cru trough just now.
rawmetalmedia 1/24/2017 6:55am
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As much as I want fast freddie to succeed a factory 450 sx seat is not the right place for him,at least not right now. Had it been outdoors then hell to the yeah.
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I'd stick someone on it just for the testing miles.. or bring Shorty back. Just because they wont win, doesn't mean to say that the testing...
I'd stick someone on it just for the testing miles.. or bring Shorty back.

Just because they wont win, doesn't mean to say that the testing isn't valuable, they might push a few things they wont want to risk with Seeley.

Weimer or Wilson, but like you say Wilson is kinda in the Blu Cru trough just now.
I'm not too sure the strength of the bond between Deano and Yamaha is so strong that he wouldn't pursue an opportunity to race the Honda for the remainder of SX. If not, he'll be sitting out a majority of the SX season.

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MX-LIFE. 1/24/2017 8:08am
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reynardfan1 wrote:
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14? Or is it financially/marketing better to grab...
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14?

Or is it financially/marketing better to grab a fill on rider...?

If it's worth the risk... do you grab 7 off the couch or do you play it smart/safe and pull up someone from a B team?

Anyone know what the industry insiders use to weigh this decision?
ML512 wrote:
Multiple ways to look at it. One results currently and the expected results once they move to your bike. Familiarity with your bike or team. Financial...
Multiple ways to look at it.

One results currently and the expected results once they move to your bike.

Familiarity with your bike or team.

Financial investment into said rider over the needed period of time.

Required time to fill-in.

Interested rider's personal contracts.

Rider's past history working with teams and reputation.

Can they adjust quickly...

Quite a few ways to look at it...

Here's my view for HRC's situation: A fill-in rider ideally should be in mains and hopefully top ten consistently and not be spending time on the ground (Not JS...). They've just had their marque rider succumb to a major crash on a new bike, they don't need criticism on the bike with another person crashing it.

Secondly, it sounds like this might be a full-year deal because of the level of Ken's injury.

Rider's available and reasons they may or may not:

Justin Brayton:
Positive - Outside of the HRC team, Brayton is the only top guy with time on a 2017 model bike, only one they're supporting with that bike, and he's rode for Honda before.
Negative - His results as of late haven't been the best, he's already got a ride for the full year riding a Honda, so the bike is out there no matter what, and he wasn't planning on racing outdoors anymore.

Dean Wilson:
Positive - He's out there racing and has gotten one spot better each weekend, finishing 11th this last weekend. He has no contracts holding him off riding the bike and is currently on another brand, so you wouldn't be moving one Honda rider off a bike to another. If Dean doesn't have a ride soon, he won't be racing the rest of Supercross anyhow, he's hungry. Dean has a good reputation from past teams.
Negative - He hasn't ridden a Honda as a professional or worked with the team, hasn't cracked the top ten yet in 2017, has had some injury-filled past seasons. Is aiming for a Yamaha ride come outdoors.

Freddy Noren:
Positive - He's worked with the HRC team for multiple years now as a fill-in. Personal sponsor contracts don't conflict and I believe he's rode the 17 before. Outdoors, he can put in solid work week-in and week-out.
Negative - Freddy has a contract with a team for 250 East coast, he's only been riding a 250 as of late, he's never really been a Supercross guy or raced the 450 in Supercross. He's not top ten material indoors at his current state.

Malcolm Stewart:
Positive - Raw speed and talent, possible higher ceiling than the others on this list for 2017. Personal sponsors don't conflict. Malcolm's personal reputation is good. Won a 250 title for Honda.
Negative - It sounds like he's committed to his new personal team for all of Supercross and more than likely can't leave after only one race with the investments made. Malcolm has never raced this much in a season, (450 indoors and outdoors). His first race back he crashed and faded back in the standings. Family reputation isn't as good as his personal one.

Andrew Short:
Positive - Actually works for Honda and has spent more time than anyone other than Ken and Cole on the new bike in full works trim. Andrew can still go fast in Supercross. No sponsor conflicts or contract issues.
Negatives - He hasn't been training to race, has "retired", and outdoors might be questionable in his wants for the year.

If the deal is really going to be a full-year fill-in, I would like to see it go to Dean Wilson. He doesn't have the ride right now and wouldn't race otherwise after round five.

I know many will point towards Brayton, but that adds a Honda to their truck and eliminates another from the field (I don't think MCR can place anyone on his 17s). I'm actually seeing this as less likely the more I think about it.

Andrew Short...Andrew is getting paid to do cool shit and already has a lot on his plate this year.

For Malcolm to switch, I'd say his brother would have to take his ride over...

As for James getting the HRC ride, just no... Possible big upside, but way too much risk involved. Fill-in rides aren't about taking risks for a huge upswing, they're about placing the bike in there consistently every weekend to please everyone involved.
Interesting that you know all this but had no clue what was happening with James/ Malcolm or Dean where does all this so called info come from it's pure speculation these guys are starting to drop like rocks now pretty soon they will be riding just to get thru the Season! Who knows what Honda will do, those that need to know! First..
Still2StrokenIt 1/24/2017 8:34am
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reynardfan1 wrote:
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14? Or is it financially/marketing better to grab...
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14?

Or is it financially/marketing better to grab a fill on rider...?

If it's worth the risk... do you grab 7 off the couch or do you play it smart/safe and pull up someone from a B team?

Anyone know what the industry insiders use to weigh this decision?
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the bike is a huge risk. Low probability of a top 5 high probability of Stewart #Stewdarting himself into the dirt.
Best play is to wait. Honda has waited since they burned Ricky. One more season on won't hurt.
*Ona side note Ryan will win both Championships SX/MX and retire and Kens first SX Championship in 2018 will be meaninglessness 2nd best. Good to see Honda waste money for becoming a 4 stroke only company using its power to kill the two stroke and the sport in general!
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reynardfan1 wrote:
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14? Or is it financially/marketing better to grab...
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14?

Or is it financially/marketing better to grab a fill on rider...?

If it's worth the risk... do you grab 7 off the couch or do you play it smart/safe and pull up someone from a B team?

Anyone know what the industry insiders use to weigh this decision?
Still2StrokenIt wrote:
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the...
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the bike is a huge risk. Low probability of a top 5 high probability of Stewart #Stewdarting himself into the dirt.
Best play is to wait. Honda has waited since they burned Ricky. One more season on won't hurt.
*Ona side note Ryan will win both Championships SX/MX and retire and Kens first SX Championship in 2018 will be meaninglessness 2nd best. Good to see Honda waste money for becoming a 4 stroke only company using its power to kill the two stroke and the sport in general!
Honda...burned Ricky.
Meaningless Title.
One Manufacturer...responsible for "Killing the 2-Stroke & the sport in general".

Bwahahahaha
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reynardfan1 wrote:
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14? Or is it financially/marketing better to grab...
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14?

Or is it financially/marketing better to grab a fill on rider...?

If it's worth the risk... do you grab 7 off the couch or do you play it smart/safe and pull up someone from a B team?

Anyone know what the industry insiders use to weigh this decision?
Still2StrokenIt wrote:
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the...
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the bike is a huge risk. Low probability of a top 5 high probability of Stewart #Stewdarting himself into the dirt.
Best play is to wait. Honda has waited since they burned Ricky. One more season on won't hurt.
*Ona side note Ryan will win both Championships SX/MX and retire and Kens first SX Championship in 2018 will be meaninglessness 2nd best. Good to see Honda waste money for becoming a 4 stroke only company using its power to kill the two stroke and the sport in general!
What in the name of hell is this gibberish?
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reynardfan1 wrote:
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14? Or is it financially/marketing better to grab...
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14?

Or is it financially/marketing better to grab a fill on rider...?

If it's worth the risk... do you grab 7 off the couch or do you play it smart/safe and pull up someone from a B team?

Anyone know what the industry insiders use to weigh this decision?
Still2StrokenIt wrote:
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the...
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the bike is a huge risk. Low probability of a top 5 high probability of Stewart #Stewdarting himself into the dirt.
Best play is to wait. Honda has waited since they burned Ricky. One more season on won't hurt.
*Ona side note Ryan will win both Championships SX/MX and retire and Kens first SX Championship in 2018 will be meaninglessness 2nd best. Good to see Honda waste money for becoming a 4 stroke only company using its power to kill the two stroke and the sport in general!
By that logic.... Dungeys titles are meaningless. I mean, he won them with his biggest competition injured.. RV, Stew.... so which is it?
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reynardfan1 wrote:
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14? Or is it financially/marketing better to grab...
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14?

Or is it financially/marketing better to grab a fill on rider...?

If it's worth the risk... do you grab 7 off the couch or do you play it smart/safe and pull up someone from a B team?

Anyone know what the industry insiders use to weigh this decision?
Still2StrokenIt wrote:
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the...
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the bike is a huge risk. Low probability of a top 5 high probability of Stewart #Stewdarting himself into the dirt.
Best play is to wait. Honda has waited since they burned Ricky. One more season on won't hurt.
*Ona side note Ryan will win both Championships SX/MX and retire and Kens first SX Championship in 2018 will be meaninglessness 2nd best. Good to see Honda waste money for becoming a 4 stroke only company using its power to kill the two stroke and the sport in general!
You should be mad at Yamaha also,since they started the 4 stroke MX bikes. Yea I know they make 2 strokes.
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reynardfan1 wrote:
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14? Or is it financially/marketing better to grab...
Serious question. Is it better for Honda to park the 94 and run a semi all year for 14?

Or is it financially/marketing better to grab a fill on rider...?

If it's worth the risk... do you grab 7 off the couch or do you play it smart/safe and pull up someone from a B team?

Anyone know what the industry insiders use to weigh this decision?
Still2StrokenIt wrote:
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the...
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the bike is a huge risk. Low probability of a top 5 high probability of Stewart #Stewdarting himself into the dirt.
Best play is to wait. Honda has waited since they burned Ricky. One more season on won't hurt.
*Ona side note Ryan will win both Championships SX/MX and retire and Kens first SX Championship in 2018 will be meaninglessness 2nd best. Good to see Honda waste money for becoming a 4 stroke only company using its power to kill the two stroke and the sport in general!
doghouse wrote:
What in the name of hell is this gibberish?
Laughing
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Bermworm wrote:
The thing about Honda is once your out your out.And if you ain't in your out. Seeley racing Roczen watching and doing PR. Everybody will come...
The thing about Honda is once your out your out.And if you ain't in your out. Seeley racing Roczen watching and doing PR. Everybody will come by to look.Wouldn't you?
I honestly wouldn't. Don't care about who's at the truck. These guys don't want to be bothered. That's just me.
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What does Honda do now?

Honda Motor Co., Ltd. is a Japanese public multinational conglomerate corporation primarily known as a manufacturer of automobiles, aircraft, motorcycles, and power equipment.
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Since Short is already on Honda's payroll would it be possible for them to graft Ken's broken arm onto Shorty's body? Let ole Ken finish out the season with Short's good arm while Short heals up Ken's broken unit. If all goes well Ken could have his arm back by the start of outdoors.

My .02
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Still2StrokenIt wrote:
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the...
HRC is the title sponsor so they can do what they want. The don't have to have 2 riders like other teams. Putting #JS7 on the bike is a huge risk. Low probability of a top 5 high probability of Stewart #Stewdarting himself into the dirt.
Best play is to wait. Honda has waited since they burned Ricky. One more season on won't hurt.
*Ona side note Ryan will win both Championships SX/MX and retire and Kens first SX Championship in 2018 will be meaninglessness 2nd best. Good to see Honda waste money for becoming a 4 stroke only company using its power to kill the two stroke and the sport in general!
lmfao funniest post of the year...oh wait you were serious? lmfao Smile Smile Smile Smile
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Bike will look bad with anyone else on it other than Ken
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Should be ready to roll by Dallas....Woohoo

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MX-LIFE. wrote:
Interesting that you know all this but had no clue what was happening with James/ Malcolm or Dean where does all this so called info come...
Interesting that you know all this but had no clue what was happening with James/ Malcolm or Dean where does all this so called info come from it's pure speculation these guys are starting to drop like rocks now pretty soon they will be riding just to get thru the Season! Who knows what Honda will do, those that need to know! First..
I talked to a few people this past weekend (some of these riders, team members, and hit up a few after Ken's crash) and some are just common sense.

As for pre-season...

Dean literally had no clue what was going on. I lent him a Suzuki RM-Z450 because he thought he had a spot with RCH and that fell through, then he moved to a Yamaha because he thought there was a chance for him to be on the Yamaha team. He learned about two or three weeks before A1 that he would be doing it on his own.

Stewarts...no one knew, they're recluse during the off-season and no one in there camp had answers for us. Just shoulder shrugs.

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sbarrington314 1/24/2017 4:12pm
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I heard someone, close to someone else, picked up a new honda yesterday at honda headquarters. That's all I got though. Any of you insiders got any more info? Whistling Woohoo
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I heard someone, close to someone else, picked up a new honda yesterday at honda headquarters. That's all I got though. Any of you insiders got...
I heard someone, close to someone else, picked up a new honda yesterday at honda headquarters. That's all I got though. Any of you insiders got any more info? Whistling Woohoo
yes more info here...... In breaking news, the hospital mistakenly rolled the wrong patient into the operating theatre, Dr. 90210 successfully performed an operation on Kenny, the arm bones/wrist/elbow/etc was not fixed but on the plus side Kenny now has 2 perfect DD implants in his arm, Kenny likes the look and will show it of in the next press conference minus one suit sleeve.
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Wouldn't be surprised one bit to see that bike sit vacant for a bit.
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sbarrington314 wrote:
I heard someone, close to someone else, picked up a new honda yesterday at honda headquarters. That's all I got though. Any of you insiders got...
I heard someone, close to someone else, picked up a new honda yesterday at honda headquarters. That's all I got though. Any of you insiders got any more info? Whistling Woohoo
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Out of left field: Akira Narita. He's rode the '17 since 2015.Tongue
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Move up Martin to get some time on the 450 without any pressure.
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I would like to see Dean Wilson on the Honda.. I think he still has a lot to prove.
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If JS7 gets the nod from HRC, this place is going to go into full nuclear meltdown mode.

BRB, off to buy some popcorn.
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