New Honda, same old problem?

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jarvinator 1/22/2017 8:13am
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r.sal923 1/22/2017 8:49am
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I race a Honda 450 in 2006. I have Never endowed off a jump until I rode a Honda, and it happens 3 times that season . Went back to Yamaha and never had a endo again . Not blaming the bike and it was obvious what had happened (bighole)
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Forty 1/22/2017 8:57am
1/22/2017 8:57am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2017 9:00am
Ken fell out of rhythm, may have been pushing a little too hard to get to the front early, may have been thinking instead of racing, no one knows however the video shows no good reason he shouldn't have passed through that section easily.

terrible crash....I hope all he has is a broken arm, it appeared like it could have done much more damage.

The bike working as it should, Kenny made an error.
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Forkners kx did the same thing to him a couple times on the first couple laps, I was surprised he didn't crash

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kevinwheeltap 1/22/2017 10:02am
1/22/2017 10:02am
ML512 wrote:
I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...
I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
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ML512 1/22/2017 10:13am
1/22/2017 10:13am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2017 10:13am
kevinwheeltap wrote:
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser...
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
I wonder why so many people were running up to talk to me yesterday and the endless amount of meetings I had yesterday... Poor Short almost suffocated from a lack of oxygen because me and Team Green got to chatting about Rally and off-road routes with him. Didn't know him and the other eighty people or so were humoring me all along, thank you for this insight. Wink

Oh, also, I'm sorry it's rainy and shitty in England right now, but have a nice day! Smile

Harry Backmon 1/22/2017 10:18am
1/22/2017 10:18am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2017 10:23am
kevinwheeltap wrote:
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser...
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
I'm getting tired of this. Go away, Troll. Just go. Man there are some bitter, jealous, hateful people on this planet.

Edit; ML, you must have smoked this troll on a track somewhere along the way.
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slowgti 1/22/2017 10:47am
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I'm pretty sure the problem was a bad start and trying to catch Dungey.
rawmetalmedia 1/22/2017 10:56am
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Seemed to me as Dunge and Cole was going as fast as you possibly could and still keeping it on two wheels, Ken was trying to go a little bit faster.
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PFitzG38 1/22/2017 11:03am
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86honda wrote:
A red cape would allow any rider to escape a kick that throws you 20 feet in the air. I have a Go Fund Me to...
A red cape would allow any rider to escape a kick that throws you 20 feet in the air. I have a Go Fund Me to make this happen! They are all Supermen(exept Vince Freaky)
Done. They should all race in SuperHero costumes Ken Roczen will be Spiderman
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kevinwheeltap wrote:
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser...
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
You are a bit wound up, take an aspirin and have a lie down, we will put you back in your straight jacket after you have calmed down a bit.
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NeedMoto 1/22/2017 1:20pm
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ML512 wrote:
I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...
I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."
kevinwheeltap wrote:
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser...
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
WOW!!! A little jealous are we Evil
thrillbillie91 1/22/2017 1:46pm
1/22/2017 1:46pm
Its not rainy or shitty..so there may be some truth to what he says
Politically-correct-douche 1/22/2017 2:10pm
1/22/2017 2:10pm
Do you have a problem with Honda because they are not made in America? I have a Prius that was made in Japan and it never bucked me off into the face of a jump
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kevinwheeltap wrote:
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser...
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
ML512 wrote:
I wonder why so many people were running up to talk to me yesterday and the endless amount of meetings I had yesterday... Poor Short almost...
I wonder why so many people were running up to talk to me yesterday and the endless amount of meetings I had yesterday... Poor Short almost suffocated from a lack of oxygen because me and Team Green got to chatting about Rally and off-road routes with him. Didn't know him and the other eighty people or so were humoring me all along, thank you for this insight. Wink

Oh, also, I'm sorry it's rainy and shitty in England right now, but have a nice day! Smile

My " inside joke" detector is going off right now.
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seth505 1/22/2017 2:19pm
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Blaming the bike is crazy talk unless it was proven the shock let go or something (which it didn't).
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kevinwheeltap wrote:
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser...
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
ML512 wrote:
I wonder why so many people were running up to talk to me yesterday and the endless amount of meetings I had yesterday... Poor Short almost...
I wonder why so many people were running up to talk to me yesterday and the endless amount of meetings I had yesterday... Poor Short almost suffocated from a lack of oxygen because me and Team Green got to chatting about Rally and off-road routes with him. Didn't know him and the other eighty people or so were humoring me all along, thank you for this insight. Wink

Oh, also, I'm sorry it's rainy and shitty in England right now, but have a nice day! Smile

machine wrote:
My " inside joke" detector is going off right now.
Funny-thing about my lil' bro that it seems (according to a certain POMMIE Douche) must not be true...?

When I needed some direct and unavailable info on some fork uppers (upper tubes), Michael got it for me.
When I inquired about some options on internals for the same forks, Michael got it for me...AND...Bones validated the VERY SAME SOLUTION.

HMMMMMM...Dry

I wonder, who, exactly are the rest of us "sick of hearing this bull crap from"?

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Bad time to bring up weather ML Smile
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ML512 1/22/2017 4:02pm
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tunedlength wrote:
Bad time to bring up weather ML Smile
Ha! So true! I'd swear I was in England right now, it hasn't stopped pouring at the house since 7am...
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ML512 1/22/2017 4:04pm
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machine wrote:
My " inside joke" detector is going off right now.
Well if so, I missed the joke, cause he's out. I've had enough personal attacks lately to cover me for a bit.
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machine wrote:
My " inside joke" detector is going off right now.
ML512 wrote:
Well if so, I missed the joke, cause he's out. I've had enough personal attacks lately to cover me for a bit.
Wow, holy crap, it just seemed too far out there to be real.... Unbelievable...Sounds to me like he knows you personally and has some sort of vendetta.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Funny-thing about my lil' bro that it seems (according to a certain POMMIE Douche) must not be true...? When I needed some direct and unavailable info...
Funny-thing about my lil' bro that it seems (according to a certain POMMIE Douche) must not be true...?

When I needed some direct and unavailable info on some fork uppers (upper tubes), Michael got it for me.
When I inquired about some options on internals for the same forks, Michael got it for me...AND...Bones validated the VERY SAME SOLUTION.

HMMMMMM...Dry

I wonder, who, exactly are the rest of us "sick of hearing this bull crap from"?
cool deal..
Richard Hard 1/23/2017 12:41am
1/23/2017 12:41am
ML512 wrote:
I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic: "I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC...
I'll throw something in here I posted in another topic:

"I'll dip in some info here that should hopefully help you understand what happened. At MEC, Ken overshot the first rhythm in this section, compressing the suspension heavily and causing it to pop weird for the next set, which he then cased after losing his pop, then endo-ing off the third...

Tonight, he landed a little deep off the first rhythm, into a rut, blowing the shock through the stroke right as the bike hit a very abrupt triple face (a few guys had similar bucks with the abruptness of this lip).

Another factor, in my opinion, on why the reaction was so severe is Ken typically likes softer settings (from what I've been told by both his prior teams) which could compound this reaction.

Lastly, the bike itself wouldn't have a "flaw" in my opinion. The linkage ratio on this bike has been modified to match up to a near equal value of the previous models (well within the range of what other manufactures use). Their shock travel/stroke length wasn't compromised with the change either."
kevinwheeltap wrote:
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser...
I can honestly say I am sick of hearing this bull crap from ml512 I mean what makes him so special he's a failed pro motocrosser couldn't even win a vet c race and he thinks he f^*kn knows it all winds me up something chronic he's nothing more than a poisoned dwarf who speaks utter bulls";t about sx/mx his bike tests are laughable as not 1 person at the top of our industry respects him and literally turn the other way when see the numpty walking towards then! I think he should do us all a favour stop speaking sh:*te about what he wants and go and get a real job!! Stupid a"" punk
Whats Mike ever done to you,go and have your weekly bath and a nice mug of Bonox
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Do the factory teams and riders come here for advice?

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