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kaptkaos 11/28/2016 7:21pm
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Its all just a greed thing, starting mostly from the manufacturer. These tires use 1/3 of the material of a car tire, and have much less safety requirements, yet they cost nearly as much. You really want to blow your lid? Go buy a Schwalbe Racing Ralph MTB tire for your mountain bike....I have seen some bicycle shops selling them for almost $80!!! How is that logical? If the manufacturere raises the price on an already overinflated price, then the distributors and dealers have to do the same. We pay the price. Until we start buying other brands that are priced reasonably, they will continue to rape us.

I am all for capitalism, but that tire has less than $10 in materials in it, and is made by a machine. Add in R&D and you are still nowhere near $80. Its just a bunch of people adding a tax on the tire to get it to my door/hands. I wish more would sell direct.
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mingham97 11/29/2016 5:12am
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kaptkaos wrote:
Its all just a greed thing, starting mostly from the manufacturer. These tires use 1/3 of the material of a car tire, and have much less...
Its all just a greed thing, starting mostly from the manufacturer. These tires use 1/3 of the material of a car tire, and have much less safety requirements, yet they cost nearly as much. You really want to blow your lid? Go buy a Schwalbe Racing Ralph MTB tire for your mountain bike....I have seen some bicycle shops selling them for almost $80!!! How is that logical? If the manufacturere raises the price on an already overinflated price, then the distributors and dealers have to do the same. We pay the price. Until we start buying other brands that are priced reasonably, they will continue to rape us.

I am all for capitalism, but that tire has less than $10 in materials in it, and is made by a machine. Add in R&D and you are still nowhere near $80. Its just a bunch of people adding a tax on the tire to get it to my door/hands. I wish more would sell direct.
If it's a good tyre, let them sell it for $80. Who cares about material cost and as if you have any idea how much R and D costs.
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mingham97 11/29/2016 5:30am
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Lol......mommy and daddy!?! Ignorant!?! You need to stop while your ahead. I'm 33 and a parts manager. I've had a job since I was 14! My...
Lol......mommy and daddy!?! Ignorant!?! You need to stop while your ahead. I'm 33 and a parts manager. I've had a job since I was 14! My parents could barely afford to buy me a bike. I paid for all my parts racing etc. I earned what I got. I was close to my Pro card until I broke my back. My boss is a former National # Pro who still works a second full time job to help keep the doors open and he doesn't even draw a salary. His wife oversees operations and takes a salary equivalent to our service writer. Our GM is multi time Baja champion as well as Hare and Hound. I make $17/hr haven't had a raise in several years. My employers do everything they can for me. I love them and my sport. We sponsor a track, several race series, and riders. Not to mention numerous local events and charities. I know what cost on parts, tires, and bikes actually are. I manage our rider support. We know what it takes to race and ride. I work with Parts Unlimited, Tucker Rocky, WPS, to get my customers the best prices possible and stay competitive. Tires are a loss leader meaning price them as competitively as possible making little to no margin hoping we get the mounting/shop business or a customer buys something else to make up for it. Do you know what Michelins cost now? Unless there is a good program $10 is what I make when I'm selling them for $99 to compete. $60 Dunlop MX3S 120/90-19 or 110/90-19. Those don't exist. Not even buying 100 at a time gets them anywhere near that. Bikes are another one. There is less than 6% profit in virtually any bike. Gone are the hay days of the 80s and 90s where a dealer could make 10-15%. Your a business owner I'd like to see you slash your margins to 10% and keep it a float, pay your overhead, your employees, and still afford your 3 bikes, 6 sets of suspension, etc. after all apparently anymore than that is pure greed right? I never said you haven't earned anything. I asked what makes the general public consumer so deserving of paying cost for everything? How do you expect dealers to stay open with every kid or rider asking for a huge discount? I don't care for RM, but I knew the owner of Motosport when he was a whole in the wall in Yakima. It's not greed. They have massive overhead, employees, employee health care to pay for. Plus they're giving thousands of dollars in gift cards away every year across the US to race series and riders. The problem is with our societys sense of entitlement and retail market that believes prices can always go lower. People don't value quality anymore. Price is all that matters. There's a huge quality and strength difference between RM Tusk wheels and Dubys Kite/Excel. RM is probably at least tripling their money on those while Dubya is probably pulling a 35-40% margin. The mentality of we're selling it so they must be making plenty of money so I want a discount is wrong. Dealers across the country are closing every year due this. There are greedy dealerships and companies out there I know, but do not assume this to be the case everywhere. I see more entitlement and greed on the consumer side personally. Your on the outside looking in. Don't assume. It only makes an ASS out of U and ME.
Don't worry he's a lost cause. Talks about greed but fucks his local bike shop up the ass with a 55% discount?? And you and I both work in shops so can you comprehend how many phone calls, p and a enquiries, time sizing, requests for credit and basic house keeping it takes to sell $60K worth of gear? Who cares how much you spend, if the dealer ain't making a profit then you aren't supporting shit. I get things at cost through my dealership, we both do, but I know for a fact I would go down with that business if it ever went bust and from what you're saying I know you would too
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JH911 wrote:
Greed?? You do understand the point of a business is to make money? Tire prices are what they are. They fluctuate almost monthly? $10-15 per tire...
Greed?? You do understand the point of a business is to make money? Tire prices are what they are. They fluctuate almost monthly? $10-15 per tire profit is too much? Do you know how much it costs to run a dealership?? Do you know how much $$$ is involved in simply stocking parts? Do you know how much profit is in a major unit i.e. new 450 or 250?? Peoples delusion of dealerships raping them and making money hand over fist have no idea how little dealers actually make especially if a dealer is trying to be competitive with the internet. You think dealers and companies should be doing more for riders? What are you doing for them?? What makes everyone so deserving? Winning a beginner class championship? Dunlop gives tons of tires away every year as well as discounts to deserving riders. Dealerships and distributors pour millions into our sport every year giving back and supporting local race series, tracks, racing organizations, the AMA, the Blue Ribbon Coalition, NMA. Our sport is expensive, those who have a passion for it, bust their ass, put in the work, build professional relationships are those who get the support. Those who feel entitled to discounts just because they want one......sorry. Just as with anything in life......get off your butt and earn it.
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Many of the guys who work at shops get a invoice listed with a wholesale pricing log on products...it shows the wholesale price...not the bought order...
Many of the guys who work at shops get a invoice listed with a wholesale pricing log on products...it shows the wholesale price...not the bought order cost price...so all the sales guys and parts counter guys dont go running around spitting out the actual prices of the parts......same with the bikes......the profit margin on tires is based on bulk or( Lot pricing)...if a dealer sells a tire for 90...their $25 of profit on it.....and so on.....dunlops at cost are in the $60range give or take 3-6$ based on volume........the only person who sees the actual prices are the buyers agents or mangers who have the negotiation power to buy.....everybody sees the wholesale order invoice....keep thinking tires have a profit margin of 10-15$.....and i earn everything thru results...i get 40-55% off nearly everything i buy......i spent 24k on gear &parts 2013.....22k 2014......and 18k in 2015........keep every receipt,and all bought and paid for myself thru my business.....each bike has 2 sets of suspension...and 1 spare complete motor and have 3sets of rims per bike.....(1) 2015 2stroke yz295...(2) 14&15 yz450.....i am a huge contributor to this sport.....and ive earned my support....However their are things about this sport that are always increasing their prices about...it doesnt effect me 1 bit, but it effects the other people....and i hear it and read about it........many people will drive and extra 3miles to say .10cent on a gallon of gas...or shop at another store to save a buck.....so when i see the monster machine of the likes of RMatv pushing their prices up every chance they get thats just greed.....if you dont see it....your just a ignorant idiot.......or your mommy and daddy still buy your stuff,...i build houses&remodel and do large commercial builds....and i go to great length to save money for the General Contractors i work with and the customers i provide service to....to show a customer where they are saving is a factor of integrity,...being a greedy fuck is just wrong....making money is one thing, stiffing your customer base is another....
Calling someone an ignorant idiot, and yet your grammar is at the level of a seven year old. This thread is completely ridiculous. The RM ATV/MC guys are supporting so many grassroots programs and really give back to the sport.

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JH911 wrote:
Greed?? You do understand the point of a business is to make money? Tire prices are what they are. They fluctuate almost monthly? $10-15 per tire...
Greed?? You do understand the point of a business is to make money? Tire prices are what they are. They fluctuate almost monthly? $10-15 per tire profit is too much? Do you know how much it costs to run a dealership?? Do you know how much $$$ is involved in simply stocking parts? Do you know how much profit is in a major unit i.e. new 450 or 250?? Peoples delusion of dealerships raping them and making money hand over fist have no idea how little dealers actually make especially if a dealer is trying to be competitive with the internet. You think dealers and companies should be doing more for riders? What are you doing for them?? What makes everyone so deserving? Winning a beginner class championship? Dunlop gives tons of tires away every year as well as discounts to deserving riders. Dealerships and distributors pour millions into our sport every year giving back and supporting local race series, tracks, racing organizations, the AMA, the Blue Ribbon Coalition, NMA. Our sport is expensive, those who have a passion for it, bust their ass, put in the work, build professional relationships are those who get the support. Those who feel entitled to discounts just because they want one......sorry. Just as with anything in life......get off your butt and earn it.
MxRyder wrote:
Many of the guys who work at shops get a invoice listed with a wholesale pricing log on products...it shows the wholesale price...not the bought order...
Many of the guys who work at shops get a invoice listed with a wholesale pricing log on products...it shows the wholesale price...not the bought order cost price...so all the sales guys and parts counter guys dont go running around spitting out the actual prices of the parts......same with the bikes......the profit margin on tires is based on bulk or( Lot pricing)...if a dealer sells a tire for 90...their $25 of profit on it.....and so on.....dunlops at cost are in the $60range give or take 3-6$ based on volume........the only person who sees the actual prices are the buyers agents or mangers who have the negotiation power to buy.....everybody sees the wholesale order invoice....keep thinking tires have a profit margin of 10-15$.....and i earn everything thru results...i get 40-55% off nearly everything i buy......i spent 24k on gear &parts 2013.....22k 2014......and 18k in 2015........keep every receipt,and all bought and paid for myself thru my business.....each bike has 2 sets of suspension...and 1 spare complete motor and have 3sets of rims per bike.....(1) 2015 2stroke yz295...(2) 14&15 yz450.....i am a huge contributor to this sport.....and ive earned my support....However their are things about this sport that are always increasing their prices about...it doesnt effect me 1 bit, but it effects the other people....and i hear it and read about it........many people will drive and extra 3miles to say .10cent on a gallon of gas...or shop at another store to save a buck.....so when i see the monster machine of the likes of RMatv pushing their prices up every chance they get thats just greed.....if you dont see it....your just a ignorant idiot.......or your mommy and daddy still buy your stuff,...i build houses&remodel and do large commercial builds....and i go to great length to save money for the General Contractors i work with and the customers i provide service to....to show a customer where they are saving is a factor of integrity,...being a greedy fuck is just wrong....making money is one thing, stiffing your customer base is another....
JH911 wrote:
Lol......mommy and daddy!?! Ignorant!?! You need to stop while your ahead. I'm 33 and a parts manager. I've had a job since I was 14! My...
Lol......mommy and daddy!?! Ignorant!?! You need to stop while your ahead. I'm 33 and a parts manager. I've had a job since I was 14! My parents could barely afford to buy me a bike. I paid for all my parts racing etc. I earned what I got. I was close to my Pro card until I broke my back. My boss is a former National # Pro who still works a second full time job to help keep the doors open and he doesn't even draw a salary. His wife oversees operations and takes a salary equivalent to our service writer. Our GM is multi time Baja champion as well as Hare and Hound. I make $17/hr haven't had a raise in several years. My employers do everything they can for me. I love them and my sport. We sponsor a track, several race series, and riders. Not to mention numerous local events and charities. I know what cost on parts, tires, and bikes actually are. I manage our rider support. We know what it takes to race and ride. I work with Parts Unlimited, Tucker Rocky, WPS, to get my customers the best prices possible and stay competitive. Tires are a loss leader meaning price them as competitively as possible making little to no margin hoping we get the mounting/shop business or a customer buys something else to make up for it. Do you know what Michelins cost now? Unless there is a good program $10 is what I make when I'm selling them for $99 to compete. $60 Dunlop MX3S 120/90-19 or 110/90-19. Those don't exist. Not even buying 100 at a time gets them anywhere near that. Bikes are another one. There is less than 6% profit in virtually any bike. Gone are the hay days of the 80s and 90s where a dealer could make 10-15%. Your a business owner I'd like to see you slash your margins to 10% and keep it a float, pay your overhead, your employees, and still afford your 3 bikes, 6 sets of suspension, etc. after all apparently anymore than that is pure greed right? I never said you haven't earned anything. I asked what makes the general public consumer so deserving of paying cost for everything? How do you expect dealers to stay open with every kid or rider asking for a huge discount? I don't care for RM, but I knew the owner of Motosport when he was a whole in the wall in Yakima. It's not greed. They have massive overhead, employees, employee health care to pay for. Plus they're giving thousands of dollars in gift cards away every year across the US to race series and riders. The problem is with our societys sense of entitlement and retail market that believes prices can always go lower. People don't value quality anymore. Price is all that matters. There's a huge quality and strength difference between RM Tusk wheels and Dubys Kite/Excel. RM is probably at least tripling their money on those while Dubya is probably pulling a 35-40% margin. The mentality of we're selling it so they must be making plenty of money so I want a discount is wrong. Dealers across the country are closing every year due this. There are greedy dealerships and companies out there I know, but do not assume this to be the case everywhere. I see more entitlement and greed on the consumer side personally. Your on the outside looking in. Don't assume. It only makes an ASS out of U and ME.
If your 33 and make 17 $ a hour......keep sticking up for everyone whos been feeding you bullshit half your life.........better yet come work for me i pay my helpers 17$ and hour....
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MxRyder 11/29/2016 8:02pm
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JH911 wrote:
Lol......mommy and daddy!?! Ignorant!?! You need to stop while your ahead. I'm 33 and a parts manager. I've had a job since I was 14! My...
Lol......mommy and daddy!?! Ignorant!?! You need to stop while your ahead. I'm 33 and a parts manager. I've had a job since I was 14! My parents could barely afford to buy me a bike. I paid for all my parts racing etc. I earned what I got. I was close to my Pro card until I broke my back. My boss is a former National # Pro who still works a second full time job to help keep the doors open and he doesn't even draw a salary. His wife oversees operations and takes a salary equivalent to our service writer. Our GM is multi time Baja champion as well as Hare and Hound. I make $17/hr haven't had a raise in several years. My employers do everything they can for me. I love them and my sport. We sponsor a track, several race series, and riders. Not to mention numerous local events and charities. I know what cost on parts, tires, and bikes actually are. I manage our rider support. We know what it takes to race and ride. I work with Parts Unlimited, Tucker Rocky, WPS, to get my customers the best prices possible and stay competitive. Tires are a loss leader meaning price them as competitively as possible making little to no margin hoping we get the mounting/shop business or a customer buys something else to make up for it. Do you know what Michelins cost now? Unless there is a good program $10 is what I make when I'm selling them for $99 to compete. $60 Dunlop MX3S 120/90-19 or 110/90-19. Those don't exist. Not even buying 100 at a time gets them anywhere near that. Bikes are another one. There is less than 6% profit in virtually any bike. Gone are the hay days of the 80s and 90s where a dealer could make 10-15%. Your a business owner I'd like to see you slash your margins to 10% and keep it a float, pay your overhead, your employees, and still afford your 3 bikes, 6 sets of suspension, etc. after all apparently anymore than that is pure greed right? I never said you haven't earned anything. I asked what makes the general public consumer so deserving of paying cost for everything? How do you expect dealers to stay open with every kid or rider asking for a huge discount? I don't care for RM, but I knew the owner of Motosport when he was a whole in the wall in Yakima. It's not greed. They have massive overhead, employees, employee health care to pay for. Plus they're giving thousands of dollars in gift cards away every year across the US to race series and riders. The problem is with our societys sense of entitlement and retail market that believes prices can always go lower. People don't value quality anymore. Price is all that matters. There's a huge quality and strength difference between RM Tusk wheels and Dubys Kite/Excel. RM is probably at least tripling their money on those while Dubya is probably pulling a 35-40% margin. The mentality of we're selling it so they must be making plenty of money so I want a discount is wrong. Dealers across the country are closing every year due this. There are greedy dealerships and companies out there I know, but do not assume this to be the case everywhere. I see more entitlement and greed on the consumer side personally. Your on the outside looking in. Don't assume. It only makes an ASS out of U and ME.
mingham97 wrote:
Don't worry he's a lost cause. Talks about greed but fucks his local bike shop up the ass with a 55% discount?? And you and I...
Don't worry he's a lost cause. Talks about greed but fucks his local bike shop up the ass with a 55% discount?? And you and I both work in shops so can you comprehend how many phone calls, p and a enquiries, time sizing, requests for credit and basic house keeping it takes to sell $60K worth of gear? Who cares how much you spend, if the dealer ain't making a profit then you aren't supporting shit. I get things at cost through my dealership, we both do, but I know for a fact I would go down with that business if it ever went bust and from what you're saying I know you would too
Give me a fucking break.....if anybody offered you a discount...im sure you would pay full.price cause your a stand up guy....right....jackass.....
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MxRyder 11/29/2016 8:04pm
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JH911 wrote:
Greed?? You do understand the point of a business is to make money? Tire prices are what they are. They fluctuate almost monthly? $10-15 per tire...
Greed?? You do understand the point of a business is to make money? Tire prices are what they are. They fluctuate almost monthly? $10-15 per tire profit is too much? Do you know how much it costs to run a dealership?? Do you know how much $$$ is involved in simply stocking parts? Do you know how much profit is in a major unit i.e. new 450 or 250?? Peoples delusion of dealerships raping them and making money hand over fist have no idea how little dealers actually make especially if a dealer is trying to be competitive with the internet. You think dealers and companies should be doing more for riders? What are you doing for them?? What makes everyone so deserving? Winning a beginner class championship? Dunlop gives tons of tires away every year as well as discounts to deserving riders. Dealerships and distributors pour millions into our sport every year giving back and supporting local race series, tracks, racing organizations, the AMA, the Blue Ribbon Coalition, NMA. Our sport is expensive, those who have a passion for it, bust their ass, put in the work, build professional relationships are those who get the support. Those who feel entitled to discounts just because they want one......sorry. Just as with anything in life......get off your butt and earn it.
MxRyder wrote:
Many of the guys who work at shops get a invoice listed with a wholesale pricing log on products...it shows the wholesale price...not the bought order...
Many of the guys who work at shops get a invoice listed with a wholesale pricing log on products...it shows the wholesale price...not the bought order cost price...so all the sales guys and parts counter guys dont go running around spitting out the actual prices of the parts......same with the bikes......the profit margin on tires is based on bulk or( Lot pricing)...if a dealer sells a tire for 90...their $25 of profit on it.....and so on.....dunlops at cost are in the $60range give or take 3-6$ based on volume........the only person who sees the actual prices are the buyers agents or mangers who have the negotiation power to buy.....everybody sees the wholesale order invoice....keep thinking tires have a profit margin of 10-15$.....and i earn everything thru results...i get 40-55% off nearly everything i buy......i spent 24k on gear &parts 2013.....22k 2014......and 18k in 2015........keep every receipt,and all bought and paid for myself thru my business.....each bike has 2 sets of suspension...and 1 spare complete motor and have 3sets of rims per bike.....(1) 2015 2stroke yz295...(2) 14&15 yz450.....i am a huge contributor to this sport.....and ive earned my support....However their are things about this sport that are always increasing their prices about...it doesnt effect me 1 bit, but it effects the other people....and i hear it and read about it........many people will drive and extra 3miles to say .10cent on a gallon of gas...or shop at another store to save a buck.....so when i see the monster machine of the likes of RMatv pushing their prices up every chance they get thats just greed.....if you dont see it....your just a ignorant idiot.......or your mommy and daddy still buy your stuff,...i build houses&remodel and do large commercial builds....and i go to great length to save money for the General Contractors i work with and the customers i provide service to....to show a customer where they are saving is a factor of integrity,...being a greedy fuck is just wrong....making money is one thing, stiffing your customer base is another....
ML512 wrote:
Calling someone an ignorant idiot, and yet your grammar is at the level of a seven year old. This thread is completely ridiculous. The RM ATV/MC...
Calling someone an ignorant idiot, and yet your grammar is at the level of a seven year old. This thread is completely ridiculous. The RM ATV/MC guys are supporting so many grassroots programs and really give back to the sport.
Awe....am i not PC enough for you .......
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MxRyder 11/29/2016 8:13pm
11/29/2016 8:13pm Edited Date/Time 11/29/2016 8:36pm
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting them online.....im pretty easy to find...any Socal track...yami#357......from vegas.......remember one thing, this was a post brought to my attention by another rider who felt also that RMatv has continued to raise their prices when they proclaim to be a front supporter of the sport.......if im not Pc enough for you spineless fags then dont comment......make sure everyone writes in to all the companies explaining that discounts are wrong.....and your all willing to pay more...and the rest of eveyone whos willing towork for no salary get in line together, and happily keep paying more and more....all while you can keep making $17per hour......sounds like everyone who criticized me has a soild grasp of business and economics,...if you end in vegas by chance and need a job..i start most guys who can swing a hammer at $20 per hour......
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I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting...
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting them online.....im pretty easy to find...any Socal track...yami#357......from vegas.......remember one thing, this was a post brought to my attention by another rider who felt also that RMatv has continued to raise their prices when they proclaim to be a front supporter of the sport.......if im not Pc enough for you spineless fags then dont comment......make sure everyone writes in to all the companies explaining that discounts are wrong.....and your all willing to pay more...and the rest of eveyone whos willing towork for no salary get in line together, and happily keep paying more and more....all while you can keep making $17per hour......sounds like everyone who criticized me has a soild grasp of business and economics,...if you end in vegas by chance and need a job..i start most guys who can swing a hammer at $20 per hour......
PC is not at all the same poor grammar.....you need to skip chest day a few times, bro
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kzizok 11/29/2016 9:22pm
11/29/2016 9:22pm Edited Date/Time 11/29/2016 9:47pm
How do you think companies re-coup the cost of support deals? By people buying product at retail price. Now, you are an integral part of why prices go up. If you are upset about what things cost, then abandon your cost producing discounts.

Be true to yourself. Get rid of all of your support deals and become part of a solution to reduce costs, instead of being part of the problem of increasing costs.

Walking contradiction.

Edit: not that you will be around long enough to reply. Especially after that gem you laid out two posts up. Pretty sure that may have been the straw.
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MxRyder wrote:
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting...
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting them online.....im pretty easy to find...any Socal track...yami#357......from vegas.......remember one thing, this was a post brought to my attention by another rider who felt also that RMatv has continued to raise their prices when they proclaim to be a front supporter of the sport.......if im not Pc enough for you spineless fags then dont comment......make sure everyone writes in to all the companies explaining that discounts are wrong.....and your all willing to pay more...and the rest of eveyone whos willing towork for no salary get in line together, and happily keep paying more and more....all while you can keep making $17per hour......sounds like everyone who criticized me has a soild grasp of business and economics,...if you end in vegas by chance and need a job..i start most guys who can swing a hammer at $20 per hour......
I made $8.50 swinging a hammer....
You got any open positions??
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MxRyder wrote:
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting...
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting them online.....im pretty easy to find...any Socal track...yami#357......from vegas.......remember one thing, this was a post brought to my attention by another rider who felt also that RMatv has continued to raise their prices when they proclaim to be a front supporter of the sport.......if im not Pc enough for you spineless fags then dont comment......make sure everyone writes in to all the companies explaining that discounts are wrong.....and your all willing to pay more...and the rest of eveyone whos willing towork for no salary get in line together, and happily keep paying more and more....all while you can keep making $17per hour......sounds like everyone who criticized me has a soild grasp of business and economics,...if you end in vegas by chance and need a job..i start most guys who can swing a hammer at $20 per hour......
You're a big shot aren't ya. There's always someone smarter than you so don't run your mouth around here. I'm sure newmann will teach you a few lessons in buisness
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allna6 11/30/2016 6:32am
11/30/2016 6:32am
Taking personal jabs at people on the internet especially when you don't know their situation makes you look like an insecure little man.

It also does nothing to further your argument in fact it gives reason to completely disregard your worthless opinion altogether.
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ML512 11/30/2016 7:29am
11/30/2016 7:29am
MxRyder wrote:
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting...
I keep copies of the few support contracts with me.....and many reciepts....id be more then happy to show some of you guys .......not gonna go posting them online.....im pretty easy to find...any Socal track...yami#357......from vegas.......remember one thing, this was a post brought to my attention by another rider who felt also that RMatv has continued to raise their prices when they proclaim to be a front supporter of the sport.......if im not Pc enough for you spineless fags then dont comment......make sure everyone writes in to all the companies explaining that discounts are wrong.....and your all willing to pay more...and the rest of eveyone whos willing towork for no salary get in line together, and happily keep paying more and more....all while you can keep making $17per hour......sounds like everyone who criticized me has a soild grasp of business and economics,...if you end in vegas by chance and need a job..i start most guys who can swing a hammer at $20 per hour......
It's a forum, discussion is part of it... But calling everyone "spineless fags" wins your ticket out of here.
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scooter5002 11/30/2016 8:44am
11/30/2016 8:44am
You're more tolerant than I am, I would've clicked him over his grammar. Tongue Spelling would've earned him some extra time off.
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JH911 11/30/2016 10:15am
11/30/2016 10:15am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2016 10:16am
I find it interesting someone who thinks the way he does about the Motorsport industry or even retail in general could himself be a business owner a contractor no less. Although, he did not mention what type of contractor he was. My brother in law is a contractor. One of our areas biggest custom home builders is a friend of mine and an excellent customer who easily spends twice as he does, so what? Point being I know how contactors make money and the good ones are profiting at least by a 50%+ margin on materials, plus they're labor wage margins. If he wants to get upset over a dealer making 10% or 20% margins I want to see him invoice a client customer cutting his margins that low. Since that's all a business needs to keep its doors open. He's doing well and that's great! That's just an example of what makes America so great. He does have an advantage of being in a field where the internet has not created much competition for him yet. I doubt it will ever really effect him. Hopefully it won't, but I hope he takes that into consideration as well when he feels another business, dealer, or e-commerce store is cheating him. I would like to thank him for his job offer, but as I stated I make $17/hr with very good benefits. I own my house and live in a great area where cost of living is still relatively low, but rising. So for now, I'm totally good. My bosses and co-workers are like family. They do many many things to sponsor/support me and help me with the costs of racing. If I wanted to change jobs I would easily have to find a job that would increase my pay to $25/hr+ to be able to cover what I'd be giving up. Instead, I'm going to school for my commercial pilots license. Speaking more specifically to the subject at hand. I attended a tire clinic last night. It was a co-op between Continental Tires and Parts Unlimited. Talk about an education. The amount of time and materials that go into a street tire alone is insane. The cost to test rubber compounds, mold, and R&D a tire is far and away more than I could have ever thought. There's more than a couple $$$ in materials that go into the making of a tire. As with anything in business. An idea or concept may seem cheap or easy enough to build, but the time, equipment, raw materials, and initial investment is huge!! It takes time to recoup your initial investment and turn a profit. Think about that every time Dunlop, Bridgestone, Pirelli, Michelin, FMF, KTM, Honda, etc debuts something new! The dealership I work for was 1 of the first 100 Honda dealerships in the nation. We've been around for 50+ years. The current owners bought it roughly 5 years ago. They had to lay out massive money to buy the dealership. Then move us into a better updated building. $$$$ Anyone who thinks dealers are raking in the $$$ have no idea what it takes just to get an approval from an OEM to be considered to take over or open a dealership. (Most) Dealership owners/principals do it for their love of powersports. Not because it makes huge $$$ fast. It's an investment........a very slow returning investment. Support those who love and support the sport!! If you have a good dealer in the area. I ask you to work with them negotiate with them. Give them a solid chance. If you don't, then by all means use RM, Motosport, and BTO. (Just don't tell my boss I said that)

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