Inversion Therapy

teggers
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This is a great place to ask about some therapy.
There are many Doctors, Trainers, Vet riders, and Racers in general on this site. I would like your feedback.

I had an inversion table unfortunately gifted to me by my brother who passed away a few years ago. I started using it a few months ago and I am finding some interesting results.

I am curious about the general consensus of hanging upside down. I find that I'm in pain the next day but it's similar to a next day from raceday.. After that, I have no pain whatsoever for a few days, maybe even weeks....

I remember when I used to race, my back, my body hurt, everything was in pain up until I raced. Afterword I didn't hurt for at least 30 days. Somehow, racing released all the pain. Each and every time that I raced, from the age of 35 to 45, I felt no pain in my back for about 30 days. I could always feel it creeping back and I knew I had to get back on the track. Needless to say, it has been a challenge to find that physical release since then. This is a half solution for the back pain.

Just curious if any of you all tried the inversion table?
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11/21/2016 4:54am
I'd be very interested as well to hear anyone's output on this as I've had a few back surgeries and currently have an artificial disc at my L5/S1. Doing good with the pain for the most part but there are days that life sucks....if this is an easy alternative I'd seriously love to hear about it.
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11/21/2016 5:12am
The inversion table for us definitely helps with neck pain and also circulation. After 2 minutes or so the effects are real for us. It's worth a shot if you haven't tried one. I think we paid $100 from Big5
11/21/2016 5:14am
First, sorry about your brother, Teggers.

Second, I have a table and use it pretty regularly. It does help. I do get relief. Think of it this way - your whole life is spent putting pressure down on your spine. When you invert, you're stretching it back the other way.

Third, interesting story about riding and feeling better. Years ago I injured my neck when I hooked bars with a guy at Valdosta during a race - causing me to do a massive endo (more than one). I quit riding back about 1992 or so and lived with constant neck pain for years. I started back riding in 2012 and it has largely gone away.
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11/21/2016 5:16am
I have used inversion table for 4yrs...as well as a rumbleroller( therapy body roller with knobs) a Tens unit...after i had a bad huge flat land the level of compression i experianced on my spine was aweful...i have a series of back therpy exercises i do....10mins with a medibeads heating pad(moist heat)...then curl into ball and rock backNforth on my spine with my hands sqeezing behind my knees....then move to my roller for another 5-8mins......then move to my inversion table for 10mins, then hang from my pull up bar with slight raises and body drops...to use my weight to decompress.....i do these all in a series of 3-4times....before bed and use a Tens unit for about 40mins.....my back feels amazing.....ive had alot of bad hits , its usually cause i never back away from large jumps....and what little i time i get to ride Sx its rough on your back.....Oh and i always wear a EVS kidney belt.....i see alot of younger guys that dont wear one and it hurts twice as bad to think how that must feel.......a good tight fitting kidney belt supports the back quite well, the key for inversion tables to work is pre-heating your back...either by hot bath or heating pads to relax the back before you intoduce any level of therapy......at 39yrs old ride 3 days a week and do construction my body needs this therapy to feel at my best chasing laptimes or racing......

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11/21/2016 5:45am
Inversion tables do work. But, with no other activity/stretching, they will only do so much for you. You need to keep your core (gut) in check. Its amazing how much back pain you can have when your stomach looks like a basketball. Ha.

I encourage you to find ll the gut and back strengthening and stretching exercises you can, and put them into play. Makes all the difference in the world.

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11/21/2016 6:27am
I purchased 1 and it didn't seem to do much for me so I gave it away.
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11/21/2016 8:03am
I'd be very interested as well to hear anyone's output on this as I've had a few back surgeries and currently have an artificial disc at...
I'd be very interested as well to hear anyone's output on this as I've had a few back surgeries and currently have an artificial disc at my L5/S1. Doing good with the pain for the most part but there are days that life sucks....if this is an easy alternative I'd seriously love to hear about it.
I had a L5/S1 fusion December of 2014. Recovery was intense those first two weeks. Scary intense. I definitely still have daily pain but it's manageable. The more active I am the better it feels. It's most sore in the morning after sleeping all night and then if I lay around too much watching movies and in general just being lazy it will be sore. I have not thrown my back out since the surgery so I feel like I have regained my life back. My disc would not hold any fluid. I was having major episodes about every 3 months and it would knock me out for a week. This had been going off and on for atleast 5 years. You start to learn to live with it and accept it. After the last time I hurt it doing nothing more then raking leaves, I decided enough was enough. It's a long process. First a month or two of p[physical therapy. Then I had a nerve injection. Then I had a discogram to try and identify which disc was dead. I finally had L5/S1 surgery. Recovery was intense but after only 4 months I went on a 7 day family vacation to Disney world and had little to no issues. Feel like I have my life back and it feels great.
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11/21/2016 8:26am Edited Date/Time 11/21/2016 9:44am
I have had one for a few years. The 1st year I didn't get it to do much for me because I wasn't doing it long enough due to being uncomfortable with being light headed and the knee pain it produced made me nervous.

Eventually I learned to do deep breathing and relax my legs and body and stop "fighting" it. It often takes 5-8 minutes to get to that point where your muscles give in. You know it works when you hear the "thunk" and you feel the vertebrae separate, for me the lower back goes 1st and if I do it long enough the upper. I find stomach down to be more in control and keeps your back from "binding" against the padded platform. When upside down I like to grab the legs of the unit and pull myself more, adding benefit, and twist from side to side. My dog always likes to lay with me to get rubbed and that helps me relax too. I do find some soreness after, usually if I am unsuccessful in getting it to release. Anti Inflamatories definitely help get results. I only use it when I have pain that persists for a few days, usually in the lower back where your nerves are pinched between vertebrae and can even feel like hip and leg (sciatica) pain.

I originally felt my knees were at risk and used a sling made from the big orange furniture moving arm lifts as seen on TV to wrap around my waist and that is how I learned how to use it successfully. I don't use the strap anymore and have gotten over the knee pain worry. People with more rebuilt knees than mine may care to use the strap, although I wonder if the inversion is actually good therapy for the ligaments?

I have also rigged up a tree sling with some tie downs and neoprene tubing insulation the I have experimented with. It is right side up, and I am hoping to get more upper back relief. I haven't given it enough time to figure it out, although it seems to make sense.
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11/21/2016 9:22am
I'd be very interested as well to hear anyone's output on this as I've had a few back surgeries and currently have an artificial disc at...
I'd be very interested as well to hear anyone's output on this as I've had a few back surgeries and currently have an artificial disc at my L5/S1. Doing good with the pain for the most part but there are days that life sucks....if this is an easy alternative I'd seriously love to hear about it.
TXDirt wrote:
I had a L5/S1 fusion December of 2014. Recovery was intense those first two weeks. Scary intense. I definitely still have daily pain but it's manageable...
I had a L5/S1 fusion December of 2014. Recovery was intense those first two weeks. Scary intense. I definitely still have daily pain but it's manageable. The more active I am the better it feels. It's most sore in the morning after sleeping all night and then if I lay around too much watching movies and in general just being lazy it will be sore. I have not thrown my back out since the surgery so I feel like I have regained my life back. My disc would not hold any fluid. I was having major episodes about every 3 months and it would knock me out for a week. This had been going off and on for atleast 5 years. You start to learn to live with it and accept it. After the last time I hurt it doing nothing more then raking leaves, I decided enough was enough. It's a long process. First a month or two of p[physical therapy. Then I had a nerve injection. Then I had a discogram to try and identify which disc was dead. I finally had L5/S1 surgery. Recovery was intense but after only 4 months I went on a 7 day family vacation to Disney world and had little to no issues. Feel like I have my life back and it feels great.
TXDirt I was so skeptical when I heard about my surgery as I was running out of options, two surgeries and no help. My Neurologist here in Texarkana told me about the artificial disc route and I was hesitant plus my insurance didn't even cover it. He sent me to Texas Back Institute in Plano where they were doing a clinical study...basically I was a guinea pig but I wouldn't pay a dime for the surgery. I would recommend this to anyone that has a severely ruptured disc, they had me out of my bed the day of the surgery walking down the halls. Yes, it hurt like hell and I was getting over being on freakin pain pills for years but once I healed the old Stephen was back. I had the discogram as well to identify the disc and OMG was that ever painful....glad you're feeling better and can somewhat have that old life back. Doctors name is Jack Ziegler if anyone would like info on researching this cat.

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11/21/2016 9:36am
Hey Tegger's....long time man , and I hope you're well. I'm really sorry to hear about your brother's passing. That is a terrible thing to hear. Wish you and your family the best.

As far as inversion tables go , I bought my first one about 5yrs ago. Not a big name brand and I didn't do much research on them before I bought it. Long story short , the design of that one messed me up worse , and I was in more pain when I got off of it. Tried it on and off for about a month and just decided " this sucks....it isn't helping me at all ".

FFWD too about 4 months ago , I bought a new one. I did some research and got one that had a good rating , but still not a well known brand. If my lower back and hips are bugging me , I can use this thing about twice a day for about 3 - 4 days....and I feel way better! Especially my lower back. If I get to the point that my back is bugging me , it's a combination of using the inversion table and going on long walks ( Walking helps strengthen your lower back ). Those two things really help me re-coup my back.

That inversion table stretches parts of my lower back that I simply could not do without one. It's been a life saver , especially in my line of work.
11/21/2016 9:42am
I've had a table for years now. Use it from time to time weekly. Seems to help some but I have degenerative disc in the L4/L5 and there is no fixing that. Went through Stem Cell trial and got rejected for not having enough disc available to inject. The table does work though. Takes pressure off everything. I really have to focus on slowing my breathing to totally relax to get best results. Hope these disc replacements get better and more common. Health insurance seems to not approve them much.
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I'd be very interested as well to hear anyone's output on this as I've had a few back surgeries and currently have an artificial disc at...
I'd be very interested as well to hear anyone's output on this as I've had a few back surgeries and currently have an artificial disc at my L5/S1. Doing good with the pain for the most part but there are days that life sucks....if this is an easy alternative I'd seriously love to hear about it.
TXDirt wrote:
I had a L5/S1 fusion December of 2014. Recovery was intense those first two weeks. Scary intense. I definitely still have daily pain but it's manageable...
I had a L5/S1 fusion December of 2014. Recovery was intense those first two weeks. Scary intense. I definitely still have daily pain but it's manageable. The more active I am the better it feels. It's most sore in the morning after sleeping all night and then if I lay around too much watching movies and in general just being lazy it will be sore. I have not thrown my back out since the surgery so I feel like I have regained my life back. My disc would not hold any fluid. I was having major episodes about every 3 months and it would knock me out for a week. This had been going off and on for atleast 5 years. You start to learn to live with it and accept it. After the last time I hurt it doing nothing more then raking leaves, I decided enough was enough. It's a long process. First a month or two of p[physical therapy. Then I had a nerve injection. Then I had a discogram to try and identify which disc was dead. I finally had L5/S1 surgery. Recovery was intense but after only 4 months I went on a 7 day family vacation to Disney world and had little to no issues. Feel like I have my life back and it feels great.
TXDirt I was so skeptical when I heard about my surgery as I was running out of options, two surgeries and no help. My Neurologist here...
TXDirt I was so skeptical when I heard about my surgery as I was running out of options, two surgeries and no help. My Neurologist here in Texarkana told me about the artificial disc route and I was hesitant plus my insurance didn't even cover it. He sent me to Texas Back Institute in Plano where they were doing a clinical study...basically I was a guinea pig but I wouldn't pay a dime for the surgery. I would recommend this to anyone that has a severely ruptured disc, they had me out of my bed the day of the surgery walking down the halls. Yes, it hurt like hell and I was getting over being on freakin pain pills for years but once I healed the old Stephen was back. I had the discogram as well to identify the disc and OMG was that ever painful....glad you're feeling better and can somewhat have that old life back. Doctors name is Jack Ziegler if anyone would like info on researching this cat.

Yeah the discogram is gnarly. lol They also had me up and walking around the day after surgery. I almost chickened out on having the fusion done. If you go and read about it on the internet you will scare this shit out of yourself with all the bad things people say about it. And that's just the thing, rarely if you have a successfully surgery do people go and post about it. There are way more negative reviews on the internet then positive ones, even though the surgery is successful for most people. I was just at the point that I was willing to risk it. Even my wife and family did not want me to have it done. The first two weeks of recovery were extremely painful. I remember thinking I was such an idiot for having the surgery. I have a high tolerance for pain but this was definitely next level shit. By week 4 that changed and I was starting to feel better. By month 4 I was very excited. Two years later and I have no real issues other then general pain that is manageable. I can pick my kids up without even thinking about it. Could never have done that two years ago. I would also have no hesitation doing any sport I want. I have no restrictions.
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I damaged my C4/C5's earlier this year. Surgery was the only option I was given, but I don't see how cutting on me is the answer right now. I started going to a Chiropractor and using the inversion theropy and I must say it works great.
I don't go 100% inverted as the pressure comes off the back at a lesser tilt. I use it 3-4 times every day and have returned to riding with no ill effects.

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11/21/2016 12:00pm
I have an inversion table and it helps but I have noticed 2 issues with it. It can irritate your knees and after a while your eyes can feel like they are under high pressure. I do physical therapy for my low back issues-herniated and degenerated L4-L5 and L5-S1. There is a portable lumbar traction unit made by Saunders that I have been using and is helpful. You do not have to hang upside down and you are on level ground. It looks to be about $400 but this was covered under my insurance so you may want to check if you are covered for that. It has been much more comfortable for me so far.
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11/21/2016 12:56pm
I don't have a table but I use my inversion boots in the gym 4-5 times a week for years now. I have a core routine that I do with them. Awesome for the back and core. Swear by it!

11/21/2016 12:56pm
Back problems all my life from a big get off in 1987. fir some stupid reason I ditched my inversion table (it was a cheap p.o.s. model) and now I definitely regret doing so. The only thing I CAN'T state ENOUGH is that you don't have to hang upside down completely to get benefits. Sometimes it's actually worse to do so. As soon as you go past horizontal you're taking weight and pressure off your back/spine. There are some good websites and books on the subject. By the way I used to race against you in late '90's and early '00's and you really hauled the mail!
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11/21/2016 12:59pm
I dont have one, but I know someone who does and he swears by it Smile
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11/21/2016 2:14pm
someone above mentioned the possibility of bothering your knees if you're not careful. VERY GOOD ADVICE. Don't try to lift your entire body with your knees (like a reverse shrug or something). I learned the hard way that this is really rough on the knees. Be careful doing those core exercises while hanging upside down. Keep your legs straight as you can.
11/21/2016 5:41pm
Inversion tables work good for some and it's nice to relieve the load of gravity occasionally. However, I used one for a while until I felt a tear in my hip connecting to the spine during an inversion session. Not sure what I tore but it lasted for a while; I gave it away after that.
May I suggest some physical therapy and or a good personal trainer that will put emphasis on strengthening your weak muscles, and addressing your tight muscles which contribute to your pain. Combine with a solid workout routine with cardio to help with endorphins (aka pain relief). Yoga and accupunture are good also.
A good personal trainer will give you a thorough fitness assessment and help you combat the cumulative postural distortions of everyday living while taking any guesswork out of it for you.
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11/21/2016 6:43pm
Go buy the book "true to form" and follow it. Thank me later.
11/21/2016 11:34pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2016 11:35pm
BAD10 wrote:
I don't have a table but I use my inversion boots in the gym 4-5 times a week for years now. I have a core routine...
I don't have a table but I use my inversion boots in the gym 4-5 times a week for years now. I have a core routine that I do with them. Awesome for the back and core. Swear by it!

There is something wrong going on with your stomach bro.
teggers
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11/22/2016 1:15am
I just did 9 minutes, upside down.
Damn, that was intense. My right knee started screaming. I had no idea I had an injury on that guy.

I stayed In the shower just now for 15 minutes on the hottest setting I could stand.

Seriously....a million bucks right now.

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mx37 wrote:
Inversion tables do work. But, with no other activity/stretching, they will only do so much for you. You need to keep your core (gut) in check...
Inversion tables do work. But, with no other activity/stretching, they will only do so much for you. You need to keep your core (gut) in check. Its amazing how much back pain you can have when your stomach looks like a basketball. Ha.

I encourage you to find ll the gut and back strengthening and stretching exercises you can, and put them into play. Makes all the difference in the world.

This^.....I"ve had back injuries from riding many times, use to go to chiro....no more... P/t is great, they will teach you how to stretch & build core to prevent back pain. 3 years ago I hit a whoop wrong & could not even bend over to take my boots off...thought for sure surgery was needed, extreme pain..3 weeks of P/t fixed me good. I stretch & perform core excercise most days. After riding I get in the pool, swim and use a tube to hang in the deep end, next day I feel good vs being sore. Yes, riding always makes me feel better, physically & mentally. I"ve thought about inversion table therapy but seems like I found what works for me and I don"t have another piece of equipment to collect dust..

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