you all heard this about Charlotte?

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The wife of the man shot took out a restraint against him about a year ago.

Told police he beat the son,kicked her and pulled him black 9mm and told them he was a killer and would kill them.

I think the guy did a suicide by cop.
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9/28/2016 7:22pm
All of that is irrelevant, mainstream media doesn't care about information like that.
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9/28/2016 7:41pm
Plus the gun was stolen, and they have the burglar.that has admitted to selling it to.him.
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allegedly he stabbed her also ,
Channel 9 obtained a domestic violence protective order that Scott's wife took out on him last year.

The order, filed in Gaston County, said that Scott hit his child in the head with his fist, kicked his wife and threatened to kill them with his gun.

It also claimed that Scott told his family that "he's a killer and they should know that."

It went on to say that Scott has a 9 mm handgun that he did not have a permit for it and that he is a convicted felon.

The order was dismissed a month later when Scott's wife said he was no longer a threat to the family.

Documents show he served seven years in prison for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and a one-year, three-month sentence for evading arrests. Records show that both incidents happened in 2002, but his sentence didn’t start until 2005.
they also go on to say

Those who knew Scott said he was a gentleman and a devoted father. They said his life was forever changed last November when he suffered a traumatic brain injury in a motorcycle crash in Charleston, South Carolina. so he was a changed man for at least around the last year. maybe his TBI healed up, or maybe his lawsuit/disability was pending

9/28/2016 8:49pm
I'm all for an officer using lethal force when they need to use it. That said, it should always be as a last option. I don't know if it was justified here. What has happened to less lethal force nowadays? The video I saw showed 4 men heavily armed with body armor on (maybe more) against 1. Did they even try to use a taser before firing?

We can try and justify the killing by bringing up his past. But the fact of the matter is if we have to justify it with defamation and previous issues maybe there's a deeper problem. It's the officers job to arrest and bring the defendant before a court and their peers to decide. We don't need officers being judge, jury and executioner on the streets.

I get it being a cop is a hard job. I'm grateful and glad there are men and women who do it. That said, they work for the citizens and must be held accountable for their actions when they violate civil liberties.

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9/28/2016 9:05pm
rucka356 wrote:
All of that is irrelevant, mainstream media doesn't care about information like that.
Surprised Media doesn't have a pic of him taking his first steps or at least his first day of school.


Oh well, see this thread going to the dumpster real quick like and Dave putting his life jacket back on because the ice is thin out dar BubbaWhistling Laughing
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The police should strike nation wide and lets see what happens,see who needs them most then probably.

The Dallas recruiters said they cancelled the last 3 classes I think it was,no body showed up. Said they used to get a thousand for a hundred openings.
9/28/2016 10:37pm
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The police should strike nation wide and lets see what happens,see who needs them most then probably. The Dallas recruiters said they cancelled the last 3...
The police should strike nation wide and lets see what happens,see who needs them most then probably.

The Dallas recruiters said they cancelled the last 3 classes I think it was,no body showed up. Said they used to get a thousand for a hundred openings.
Not really surprising, why would you want to put yourself in that position? Protect a society that would readily throw you in jail.
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Now the gun has been stolen out of police lockup.
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9/29/2016 3:35am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2016 4:01am
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I'm all for an officer using lethal force when they need to use it. That said, it should always be as a last option. I don't...
I'm all for an officer using lethal force when they need to use it. That said, it should always be as a last option. I don't know if it was justified here. What has happened to less lethal force nowadays? The video I saw showed 4 men heavily armed with body armor on (maybe more) against 1. Did they even try to use a taser before firing?

We can try and justify the killing by bringing up his past. But the fact of the matter is if we have to justify it with defamation and previous issues maybe there's a deeper problem. It's the officers job to arrest and bring the defendant before a court and their peers to decide. We don't need officers being judge, jury and executioner on the streets.

I get it being a cop is a hard job. I'm grateful and glad there are men and women who do it. That said, they work for the citizens and must be held accountable for their actions when they violate civil liberties.
I think I get ya, but this obviously is not the case with this event. I would say the last thing you want to do is shoot a guy with a taser if they are holding a gun, His death was another example of failure to comply with an officer's direction or instruction. I get the feeling that this is being pushed all over. You see idiots filming police giving them a hard time, hurling insults, locking their doors and windows, demanding supervisors, this needs to be curtailed. If i was a cop I would say sure, you are now under arrest for failure to comply though, Then read them the miranda rights.

I don't think the media went out of their way to defame the guy. Nor did the police who I am sure knew all about the guy within minutes of the shooting, or perhaps before.
It seems that they were pushing the gentleman and devoted father thing

They told the guy something like 12 times to drop the gun. Is it possible the guy never had a gun? Sure anything is possible. Did he have a gun he refused to drop?, All indications point to this.
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9/29/2016 3:36am
rucka356 wrote:
All of that is irrelevant, mainstream media doesn't care about information like that.
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Surprised Media doesn't have a pic of him taking his first steps or at least his first day of school. Oh well, see this thread going...
Surprised Media doesn't have a pic of him taking his first steps or at least his first day of school.


Oh well, see this thread going to the dumpster real quick like and Dave putting his life jacket back on because the ice is thin out dar BubbaWhistling Laughing
Not political,just vveerrryy inturrestring
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9/29/2016 7:23am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2016 8:17am
I think the police are way too tolerant. It's a war, a few and i mean a few innocent people will die but it's an unfortunate must. All these people that were killed by cops did not comply. Obviously they are not that afraid of the police because people are acting up worse than ever. It's a big ass lie and ploy to help the decline of our nation. All the shit you see on the news and facebook is so minuscule but it's the only thing you see. Obviously there are bigger issues and incidents that are more important but that doesn't cater to the manipulation of the simple people that make up the majority of this country. My kids don't know racism. They just found out about it recently. My three black friends that grew up where i did with nothing all laugh at how thier plight is being projected. It is on you. We started worse than most in this country and we are the real American stories you will never hear.
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This won't end until we just cave & let them federalize law enforcement.

Great strategy, without guns people like this couldn't have multiple arrests prohibiting them from owning the firearm that police are supposed to shoot out of their hands, we can chip away at 2a & at same time create stepping stone federal guidelines for local law enforcement.

afterwards, DOJ will give green light to the people's national police force to quash any & all insurrection.
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9/29/2016 8:44am
hillbilly wrote:
The police should strike nation wide and lets see what happens,see who needs them most then probably. The Dallas recruiters said they cancelled the last 3...
The police should strike nation wide and lets see what happens,see who needs them most then probably.

The Dallas recruiters said they cancelled the last 3 classes I think it was,no body showed up. Said they used to get a thousand for a hundred openings.
You got a source for that or is that what Hannity and Limbaugh are spewing this morning?
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9/29/2016 8:46am
hillbilly wrote:
The police should strike nation wide and lets see what happens,see who needs them most then probably. The Dallas recruiters said they cancelled the last 3...
The police should strike nation wide and lets see what happens,see who needs them most then probably.

The Dallas recruiters said they cancelled the last 3 classes I think it was,no body showed up. Said they used to get a thousand for a hundred openings.
DALLAS (Reuters) - The Dallas Police Department, which was struggling to recruit officers, has seen a surge in job applications after the ambush shooting this month that killed five officers and brought global attention to the Texas city, officials said on Friday.

During the 12 days following the July 7 shooting, the department said it got 467 job applications, a 344 percent increase compared with the 136 in a similar period in June.

That is an average of 38.9 requests per day to become a police recruit compared with an average of 11.3 submissions a day for 12 days in June. In recent months, the police department has had to cancel academy classes because there were not enough applicants.

Potential officers in the north Texas region have often opted for departments in fast-growing cities surrounding Dallas where starting pay is typically higher than in Dallas.


Dallas Police Chief David Brown put out the call for new recruits at a news conference last week where he spoke of the deaths of five officers and the actions of others to save lives at a rally in the city in the incident that marked the deadliest day for U.S. law enforcement since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. “We are hiring. Get out of that protest line and put an application in,” Brown said.

U.S. police forces have been the target of protests following the fatal shootings of black men by patrolmen in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and outside St. Paul, Minnesota, that were caught on video.

Further, the series of high-profile police killings of black men in the past two years have sparked the most intense debate on race and justice in America in years.

“It’s a shame it took a tragedy to get people to apply, but glad to see so many people willing to serve their community,” Dallas resident Ben Shaw wrote on the department’s Facebook page on Friday.
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9/29/2016 9:32am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2016 10:54am
jpc, sad state of affairs, "you can save your life or save your job but you can't do both" the message being sent by the LA police commission.
Yep put someone in the position of performing a job, a difficult one, and the moment someone complains, or the job isn't being done to someones satisfaction, they look to make you the fall guy. Sure sign me up...
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Yeah tugg it's sad when ridiculous sounding conspiracies start to make the most sense. I've been wondering just what type of dept policies these talking heads would have, reminds me of something...

http://youtu.be/dlyMZNURdmc
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I think I get ya, but this obviously is not the case with this event. I would say the last thing you want to do is...
I think I get ya, but this obviously is not the case with this event. I would say the last thing you want to do is shoot a guy with a taser if they are holding a gun, His death was another example of failure to comply with an officer's direction or instruction. I get the feeling that this is being pushed all over. You see idiots filming police giving them a hard time, hurling insults, locking their doors and windows, demanding supervisors, this needs to be curtailed. If i was a cop I would say sure, you are now under arrest for failure to comply though, Then read them the miranda rights.

I don't think the media went out of their way to defame the guy. Nor did the police who I am sure knew all about the guy within minutes of the shooting, or perhaps before.
It seems that they were pushing the gentleman and devoted father thing

They told the guy something like 12 times to drop the gun. Is it possible the guy never had a gun? Sure anything is possible. Did he have a gun he refused to drop?, All indications point to this.
Refusing a cop's instructions does not give a cop the right to use lethal force. What if the guy was deaf? What if he didn't speak english? If I had a gun and was told 10000x to drop it but refused I am still not posing an immediate threat to their life if I am just standing there with it pointing at the ground.

From the video it looks like he was walking backwards towards the cop that shot him with both arms at his side.

I find it interesting that nobody questions why the 3 or 4 other cops that were there didn't feel he was enough threat to fire their weapons. Especially the two cops that he was actually facing and were most in danger. It's odd that the cop least likely to feel threatened in that scenario was the one that pulled the trigger.

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9/29/2016 11:32am
Refusing a cop's instructions does not give a cop the right to use lethal force. What if the guy was deaf? What if he didn't speak...
Refusing a cop's instructions does not give a cop the right to use lethal force. What if the guy was deaf? What if he didn't speak english? If I had a gun and was told 10000x to drop it but refused I am still not posing an immediate threat to their life if I am just standing there with it pointing at the ground.

From the video it looks like he was walking backwards towards the cop that shot him with both arms at his side.

I find it interesting that nobody questions why the 3 or 4 other cops that were there didn't feel he was enough threat to fire their weapons. Especially the two cops that he was actually facing and were most in danger. It's odd that the cop least likely to feel threatened in that scenario was the one that pulled the trigger.

If I had a gun and was told 10000x to drop it but refused I am still not posing an immediate threat to their life if I am just standing there with it pointing at the ground.

No, they should take you to Chuck E Cheese's and get you some fucking pizza.
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Refusing a cop's instructions does not give a cop the right to use lethal force. What if the guy was deaf? What if he didn't speak...
Refusing a cop's instructions does not give a cop the right to use lethal force. What if the guy was deaf? What if he didn't speak english? If I had a gun and was told 10000x to drop it but refused I am still not posing an immediate threat to their life if I am just standing there with it pointing at the ground.

From the video it looks like he was walking backwards towards the cop that shot him with both arms at his side.

I find it interesting that nobody questions why the 3 or 4 other cops that were there didn't feel he was enough threat to fire their weapons. Especially the two cops that he was actually facing and were most in danger. It's odd that the cop least likely to feel threatened in that scenario was the one that pulled the trigger.

Deaf? Doesn't speak English? Well, in this case had it not been for his mother shouting "don't do it" over and over and over, that could be taken into consideration. Walking backwards with a gun in your hand towards cops who are telling you to drop the gun is a sure way to get yourself riddled with bullets. Someone else mentioned suicide by cop, something to consider. Past history of violence never helps. Stupid games, stupid prizes.
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9/29/2016 3:50pm
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If I had a gun and was told 10000x to drop it but refused I am still not posing an immediate threat to their life if...
If I had a gun and was told 10000x to drop it but refused I am still not posing an immediate threat to their life if I am just standing there with it pointing at the ground.

No, they should take you to Chuck E Cheese's and get you some fucking pizza.
You're way oversimplifying this. It's not a binary choice (Pizza or getting shot). There are many options available to the cops before escalating to lethal force. They had 4-5 armed offices in bullet proof vests. All had their guns pointed at the suspect. The reason the job is so hard is you have to remain calm in a situation where nobody should be calm. Use rationale thinking. Take calculated risks. Remember your training. And do all of this in a split second. If it was just as simple as do what I fucking say or I will load you up with bullets than anyone could do this job.

Again... Why did none of the other officers fire their weapons? If you were in a room with 5 people and 4 of them all agreed on one course of action to take then the remaining person is more than likely wrong. If he was such a threat then at least 2-3 of those officers should've lit his ass up.
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9/29/2016 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2016 5:00pm
jason do you have a link to that video?...because I haven't seen it. Do you have any idea, about reaction time and how many shots someone could get off and how quickly?, Well I can tell you the cops do, A friend of mine has the police firearms training manual. It's in there. From what i can tell they are not taking any chances with these guys, It is what it is
If I tell you to drop the gun,and you don't do it?, I ain't asking no 12 times.
edited yep i saw the video, kind of agree with hillbilly suicide by cop
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Refusing a cop's instructions does not give a cop the right to use lethal force. What if the guy was deaf? What if he didn't speak...
Refusing a cop's instructions does not give a cop the right to use lethal force. What if the guy was deaf? What if he didn't speak english? If I had a gun and was told 10000x to drop it but refused I am still not posing an immediate threat to their life if I am just standing there with it pointing at the ground.

From the video it looks like he was walking backwards towards the cop that shot him with both arms at his side.

I find it interesting that nobody questions why the 3 or 4 other cops that were there didn't feel he was enough threat to fire their weapons. Especially the two cops that he was actually facing and were most in danger. It's odd that the cop least likely to feel threatened in that scenario was the one that pulled the trigger.

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Deaf? Doesn't speak English? Well, in this case had it not been for his mother shouting "don't do it" over and over and over, that could...
Deaf? Doesn't speak English? Well, in this case had it not been for his mother shouting "don't do it" over and over and over, that could be taken into consideration. Walking backwards with a gun in your hand towards cops who are telling you to drop the gun is a sure way to get yourself riddled with bullets. Someone else mentioned suicide by cop, something to consider. Past history of violence never helps. Stupid games, stupid prizes.
The deaf angle is definitely being played.




By an officer, though......



http://thegrio.com/2016/09/29/betty-shelby-had-temporary-loss-of-hearin…





9/29/2016 6:05pm
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jason do you have a link to that video?...because I haven't seen it. Do you have any idea, about reaction time and how many shots someone...
jason do you have a link to that video?...because I haven't seen it. Do you have any idea, about reaction time and how many shots someone could get off and how quickly?, Well I can tell you the cops do, A friend of mine has the police firearms training manual. It's in there. From what i can tell they are not taking any chances with these guys, It is what it is
If I tell you to drop the gun,and you don't do it?, I ain't asking no 12 times.
edited yep i saw the video, kind of agree with hillbilly suicide by cop
I really doubt he gets one shot off. You have to consider he has 4 highly trained officers with guns pointed at him if he were to attempt to draw on one of them.
9/29/2016 7:49pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2016 7:51pm
"Highly trained" ?

Says who ? How many precincts give these guys regular range days with ammunition? How many cops make enough money to highly train themselves by shooting ?

All I'm saying is I know two cops that can't shoot for shit. So how do we know cops are highly trained ?! The high trained guys are the Hobby shooters that can afford to put thousands of rounds down range. You don't "rememeber" your training. It should be reflexive when you're trained well. And we'll training is thousands upon thousands of rounds. Not shooting paper. But shooting off balance and out of your comfort zone.

So how do we know they're highly trained again? And if 4 are highly trained why is 1 not highly trained ? I'm not following the logic here....?
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9/29/2016 7:53pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2016 7:55pm
Is it worth risking the lives of four men who wish they weren't in this situation with some dumbfuck who won't comply with a request as simple as, "drop the gun?" My job will never be as stressful as theirs was that day but I can guarantee you one thing, if some hostile mfer is ever coming at me with a gun, I don't give a shit if he's walking forwards, backwards or on his hands, if I have the means to kill him before he kills me, lights out bitch!
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9/29/2016 8:43pm
Swing state politics, nothing like a little rioting to jazz up the base.

Interesting video for a bit of perspective.
http://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g
9/29/2016 8:58pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2016 8:58pm
Why let silly facts ruin a well-spun yarn?
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jpc interesting video, shows how fast things can happen. Do they make mistakes, sure, but the narrative that they are a bunch of bigoted nutcases shooting innocents is way way overblown. A very very tough job. These people deserve our respect, Unfortunately the narrative is the exact opposite, Give them a hard time at every opportunity.
Endless u-tube video's giving these guys a hard time, for entertainment . I get it nobody wants to live in a police state, but they should get summons for busting police chops after a few of these/obstructing police etc.

9/30/2016 5:27am Edited Date/Time 9/30/2016 5:35am
"Highly trained" ? Says who ? How many precincts give these guys regular range days with ammunition? How many cops make enough money to highly train...
"Highly trained" ?

Says who ? How many precincts give these guys regular range days with ammunition? How many cops make enough money to highly train themselves by shooting ?

All I'm saying is I know two cops that can't shoot for shit. So how do we know cops are highly trained ?! The high trained guys are the Hobby shooters that can afford to put thousands of rounds down range. You don't "rememeber" your training. It should be reflexive when you're trained well. And we'll training is thousands upon thousands of rounds. Not shooting paper. But shooting off balance and out of your comfort zone.

So how do we know they're highly trained again? And if 4 are highly trained why is 1 not highly trained ? I'm not following the logic here....?
Let me make it easy for you. Did the citizen have his gun pointed at any of the officers? Did the officers have their guns pointed at him? Any officer can pull the trigger at center mass quicker than the citizen can draw a weapon and accurately fire it.

Make sense?


If you know 2 officers who "can't shoot for shit" why not report them? I would imagine the city/county they work for would like to know and my guess is they would end up getting the training they need. On second thought if I needed training to do my job properly I would gladly pay for it myself to keep my job. I go to a lot of training that isn't company paid to better myself every year.

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