Chad Reed said Cooper Webb and Jeffrey Herlings are both on US spec fuel...

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Chad Reed's in the booth for the second moto and when Paul brought up the fuel thing, Chad corrected him by saying Cooper Webb was on US spec fuel. But then, he followed up by saying that Jeffrey Herlings was also on US spec fuel...
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sebastianer 9/3/2016 6:03pm
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yepp i think that was very intresting. do we ever gonna see how much hp those 250 is pumping out do you think ?
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For the folk that miss the convo, what's the difference? Which one has a higher octane level than the other?
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There goes excuse #1

Edit: APPLE, fix the FAIL in your latest update
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tobz wrote:
For the folk that miss the convo, what's the difference? Which one has a higher octane level than the other?
AMA spec fuel will create more HP.

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TriRacer27 9/3/2016 8:14pm
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tobz wrote:
For the folk that miss the convo, what's the difference? Which one has a higher octane level than the other?
Lunch_Box wrote:
AMA spec fuel will create more HP.
Hell yeah we make more HP. Merica!

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TriRacer27 wrote:
Hell yeah we make more HP. Merica!

This is the United States of America. We ain't scerd of them extra ponys. In fact, we take 'em all!

'Merica
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One race does not mean shit. Congratulations to Hearlings on his championship and congratulations to Webb for his. I would love to see these two guys battle for a season.
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Gp's follow rules when convenient.
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olds cool 9/3/2016 10:24pm
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One might wonder if Chad was creating a distraction so as not to have to 'splain why he wasn't racing. Diversionary tactic maybe?
scott_nz 9/3/2016 10:39pm
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how would Chad know what the KTM's are running?

i would be surprised if they were running US fuel, for the same reasons the US bikes are not running euro spec fuel, it would take a fair bit of work to change them over,
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I believe they tested US race fuel ahead of time and have the mappings for it ready to go. I'm sure US KTM would have been a help with this. US fuel was probably tested months in advance in Europe.
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scott_nz wrote:
how would Chad know what the KTM's are running? i would be surprised if they were running US fuel, for the same reasons the US bikes...
how would Chad know what the KTM's are running?

i would be surprised if they were running US fuel, for the same reasons the US bikes are not running euro spec fuel, it would take a fair bit of work to change them over,
I doubt it would be a big deal. KTM US could have been supplying the engines.


Same could be said for the AMA, Jay. Remember RC's tainted gas?
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kongols 9/3/2016 11:33pm
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So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we automatically declare that Reed is right, right?
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kongols wrote:
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we...
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we automatically declare that Reed is right, right?
Reed did say he thought Herlings was running it too,but he didn't say they all were,hence the reason it came up in the bench racing that riders weren't happy, there's exhausts and the rest of the set up to go with it, I guess that was why someone said Paulin was pissed off at GH last year that he was struggling for speed.

It's difficult because they want US riders taking part but to adhere to GP rules they'd have to ride something so different to what they run all year,theres often been a mentions of this when the 2 series meet
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kongols wrote:
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we...
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we automatically declare that Reed is right, right?
Reed didn't say they all used it, he just mentioned Herlings after his comment about Cooper Webb. Personally, I'll be doing a tally at the Glen Helen GP... Including if Jeffrey used a GP or US engine to go along with it...
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kongols wrote:
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we...
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we automatically declare that Reed is right, right?
ML512 wrote:
Reed didn't say they all used it, he just mentioned Herlings after his comment about Cooper Webb. Personally, I'll be doing a tally at the Glen...
Reed didn't say they all used it, he just mentioned Herlings after his comment about Cooper Webb. Personally, I'll be doing a tally at the Glen Helen GP... Including if Jeffrey used a GP or US engine to go along with it...
Teams like KTM / KTHusky would not be pissed - they'd just build up engines (as they certainly would have all of the info / the parts) to fully take advantage of the US specs, or just fit engines from the existing engine storage racks in the US KTM KTHusky transporters.

Teams without such a ready 'supply', might be a bit peeved, but, as 500guy above essentially put, Luongo / Youthstream can be remarkably 'flexible' when required, yet incredibly unbend-able when they choose to be.

The Rock, in his picture thread, has a pic up of fuel testing, with a caption along the lines that fuel was being tested, but with no penalties being applied - just that 'ruling' would open the door to going to US spec fuels and the software / hard part changes that may be required, that may mean an engine produces more power, reliably.
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Scott101 9/4/2016 2:42am
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I find it very hard to believe that KTM would put Jeffrey on track at such a disadvantage, especially with KTM having a factory set-up in the states. US spec fuel or not his bike would have been more than capable of winning

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bongobongo 9/4/2016 4:48am
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kongols wrote:
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we...
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we automatically declare that Reed is right, right?
do you have a link from a Euro rider who is complaining about the US fuel?

No one seems to mention it in the comments after the race?
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Just call it leveling the playing field. US riders get US spec fuel but are on their production based bikes. Euro riders are on GP based fuel but on full custom bikes and access to parts and technology that US riders aren't. Does the MX2 class in the GP's have a suspension rule like the MX2 class in the states?
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lumpy790 9/4/2016 5:26am
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I was wondering what fuel they would be running.

VP had a truck there so I suspect everyone had access to the same fuel.
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kongols wrote:
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we...
So the Euro riders are pissed that US riders are allowed to use US fuel, but since Reed said that they all use US fuel we automatically declare that Reed is right, right?
ML512 wrote:
Reed didn't say they all used it, he just mentioned Herlings after his comment about Cooper Webb. Personally, I'll be doing a tally at the Glen...
Reed didn't say they all used it, he just mentioned Herlings after his comment about Cooper Webb. Personally, I'll be doing a tally at the Glen Helen GP... Including if Jeffrey used a GP or US engine to go along with it...
And thats why we love you ML!!!


Excuse the noobish question, but what fuel do top US teams use exactly? Are they using the same U4.4 that we use or something special/better?
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yak651 9/4/2016 5:46am
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Lunch_Box wrote:
Just call it leveling the playing field. US riders get US spec fuel but are on their production based bikes. Euro riders are on GP based...
Just call it leveling the playing field. US riders get US spec fuel but are on their production based bikes. Euro riders are on GP based fuel but on full custom bikes and access to parts and technology that US riders aren't. Does the MX2 class in the GP's have a suspension rule like the MX2 class in the states?
Is the 250 suspension rule for outdoors also? i thought it was just for SX.
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nascarnate326 wrote:
And thats why we love you ML!!! Excuse the noobish question, but what fuel do top US teams use exactly? Are they using the same U4.4...
And thats why we love you ML!!!


Excuse the noobish question, but what fuel do top US teams use exactly? Are they using the same U4.4 that we use or something special/better?
Not to sure what they use 100% but i know they can't use U4.4 due to the fact it has lead in it.
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ML512 9/4/2016 6:55am
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yak651 wrote:
Is the 250 suspension rule for outdoors also? i thought it was just for SX.
It is for outdoors as well.
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nascarnate326 wrote:
And thats why we love you ML!!! Excuse the noobish question, but what fuel do top US teams use exactly? Are they using the same U4.4...
And thats why we love you ML!!!


Excuse the noobish question, but what fuel do top US teams use exactly? Are they using the same U4.4 that we use or something special/better?
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Not to sure what they use 100% but i know they can't use U4.4 due to the fact it has lead in it.
They use MR-Pro6 and MR-Pro6HT.
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yak651 wrote:
Is the 250 suspension rule for outdoors also? i thought it was just for SX.
ML512 wrote:
It is for outdoors as well.
Does the MX2 GP class have any rules for suspension? Or on their bikes? Or is it just like the MX class?
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ML512 9/4/2016 8:35am
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yak651 wrote:
Is the 250 suspension rule for outdoors also? i thought it was just for SX.
ML512 wrote:
It is for outdoors as well.
Lunch_Box wrote:
Does the MX2 GP class have any rules for suspension? Or on their bikes? Or is it just like the MX class?
The MX2 class has no rules regarding suspension or a production rule, same as MXGP.
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tobz wrote:
For the folk that miss the convo, what's the difference? Which one has a higher octane level than the other?
Octane doesn't make more HP. Octane lets you run more compression without detonating. That's good for response in SX but not MX.

High Oxygen and low octane is the best combo for gas. Oxygen is the biggest difference between AMA and FIM fuels. The power output is around 1 to 1.5HP at full throttle. Not a big difference. Only for the guy running the bike on the dyno. Most of you guys wouldn't tell the difference between the 2

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