125 dream race at washougal national

7/25/2016 4:41am
brocsdad wrote:
Europe has a 125 EMX support class where the 125 riders race on national day. This gives the younger riders a chance to get noticed while...
Europe has a 125 EMX support class where the 125 riders race on national day. This gives the younger riders a chance to get noticed while still being able to afford racing. It's a great idea and would help the sport. MX is on a decline for sure and the reason is you need $12-$15K 250f's to compete that require rebuilds at 15 to 20 hours. Maybe the manufacturers will take notice and bring back 125s.
Until then we have the KTM/Husky, Yamaha and the TM to choose from.
2 strokes weren't meant to last forever
but with not enough moving parts they barely failed and manufacturers weren't making money as they do on these modren day ticking time bombs

Sadly , there's no going back and these broke ass kids trying to compete with bikes that were around before Motocross was an actual Sport will never make it

So Sad to see Moto turn into an actual sport and then leave so many behind
7/25/2016 4:42am
Klxracer#2 wrote:
Can't wait to see Carson progress, kid has a lot of talent. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/07/24/144517/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Can't wait to see Carson progress, kid has a lot of talent.



kiwifan wrote:
Was he on the Yammie?? (in the 125 race)
Believe he was on a husky, could be wrong.
7/25/2016 4:44am
JW381 wrote:
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much...
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much quieter. We could hear each other talk. I know it has to do with the nature of the respective sound waves, I'm not giving ya'll a science lesson, just saying that it was a real perspective on what an issue noise has become for this sport.

That tidbit aside, it was killer and Carson Brown is a speedster. He was racing a 250f in the winter, pretty cool/interesting that he dropped down to a 125, especially at the age of 17.
Icespikes wrote:
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed...
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed?! You must be new! Welcome.
He was just sharing his experience...
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A couple gopro videos I snagged. Wish I would have got Tyler Villopoto after he went down, he was charging so hard to try to get back up front. Swapped almost 90* right in front of me but managed to save it, all while never shutting off, was impressive.

https://youtu.be/yly2T6IZRco

https://youtu.be/7q83m-IsMzQ

https://youtu.be/VEO7Wq_WLMI

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7/25/2016 7:09am
brocsdad wrote:
Europe has a 125 EMX support class where the 125 riders race on national day. This gives the younger riders a chance to get noticed while...
Europe has a 125 EMX support class where the 125 riders race on national day. This gives the younger riders a chance to get noticed while still being able to afford racing. It's a great idea and would help the sport. MX is on a decline for sure and the reason is you need $12-$15K 250f's to compete that require rebuilds at 15 to 20 hours. Maybe the manufacturers will take notice and bring back 125s.
Until then we have the KTM/Husky, Yamaha and the TM to choose from.
Icespikes wrote:
2 strokes weren't meant to last forever but with not enough moving parts they barely failed and manufacturers weren't making money as they do on these...
2 strokes weren't meant to last forever
but with not enough moving parts they barely failed and manufacturers weren't making money as they do on these modren day ticking time bombs

Sadly , there's no going back and these broke ass kids trying to compete with bikes that were around before Motocross was an actual Sport will never make it

So Sad to see Moto turn into an actual sport and then leave so many behind
Not sure what you mean by before motocross was an actual sport?
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7/25/2016 8:30am
i think a 125 race in between pro motos is a great idea.. get the kids some exposure to so many spectators/pressure and also allows the teams to see them.. but i think it should just be the amateur all star group like at monster cup.. the kids ready to go pro.. just my $.02
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7/25/2016 8:44am
JW381 wrote:
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much...
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much quieter. We could hear each other talk. I know it has to do with the nature of the respective sound waves, I'm not giving ya'll a science lesson, just saying that it was a real perspective on what an issue noise has become for this sport.

That tidbit aside, it was killer and Carson Brown is a speedster. He was racing a 250f in the winter, pretty cool/interesting that he dropped down to a 125, especially at the age of 17.
Icespikes wrote:
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed...
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed?! You must be new! Welcome.
Relax dude
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7/25/2016 9:12am
JW381 wrote:
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much...
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much quieter. We could hear each other talk. I know it has to do with the nature of the respective sound waves, I'm not giving ya'll a science lesson, just saying that it was a real perspective on what an issue noise has become for this sport.

That tidbit aside, it was killer and Carson Brown is a speedster. He was racing a 250f in the winter, pretty cool/interesting that he dropped down to a 125, especially at the age of 17.
Icespikes wrote:
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed...
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed?! You must be new! Welcome.
kzizok wrote:
Relax dude
x2---- Lets see... we have JW381 at 9017 post count and "Icespikes" at 94 . So whos the new one here ,douche.?
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7/25/2016 10:22am
JW381 wrote:
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much...
One big thing I noticed, the noise. When you're up close to a 2-stroke, they're pretty loud, but during the actual race it was so much quieter. We could hear each other talk. I know it has to do with the nature of the respective sound waves, I'm not giving ya'll a science lesson, just saying that it was a real perspective on what an issue noise has become for this sport.

That tidbit aside, it was killer and Carson Brown is a speedster. He was racing a 250f in the winter, pretty cool/interesting that he dropped down to a 125, especially at the age of 17.
Icespikes wrote:
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed...
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed?! You must be new! Welcome.
Kx125rider wrote:
He was just sharing his experience...
No kidding haha dude was extra salty. I guess I'm a noob Silly
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7/25/2016 11:31am
sorry guys I was unclear on what I was trying to say, im familiar with the classes for the nationals but since this is just the amateur days classes at a pro national they don't have schoolboy1 and 2 like most places. its just a big bike class here 12-16 year old, they call schoolboy
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7/25/2016 11:35am
Icespikes wrote:
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed...
wow what a revelation lol the one big thing you noticed shut down every riding area nationwide over the last decade & ? You ?just noticed?! You must be new! Welcome.
Kx125rider wrote:
He was just sharing his experience...
JW381 wrote:
No kidding haha dude was extra salty. I guess I'm a noob Silly
pretty sure carsons still 16.ill ask him later. they dropped him back down to 125s because he physically is not strong enough to ride the bike even though the talent is there. he rode them well but got hurt a lot. next year he will be back on 250s
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7/25/2016 11:47am
Kx125rider wrote:
He was just sharing his experience...
JW381 wrote:
No kidding haha dude was extra salty. I guess I'm a noob Silly
bsharkey wrote:
pretty sure carsons still 16.ill ask him later. they dropped him back down to 125s because he physically is not strong enough to ride the bike...
pretty sure carsons still 16.ill ask him later. they dropped him back down to 125s because he physically is not strong enough to ride the bike even though the talent is there. he rode them well but got hurt a lot. next year he will be back on 250s
I would believe he's 16, I just heard Barnes say he was 17 in the post race interview.
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7/25/2016 11:50am
Kx125rider wrote:
He was just sharing his experience...
JW381 wrote:
No kidding haha dude was extra salty. I guess I'm a noob Silly
bsharkey wrote:
pretty sure carsons still 16.ill ask him later. they dropped him back down to 125s because he physically is not strong enough to ride the bike...
pretty sure carsons still 16.ill ask him later. they dropped him back down to 125s because he physically is not strong enough to ride the bike even though the talent is there. he rode them well but got hurt a lot. next year he will be back on 250s
That's refreshing to hear.. Smart parents, AND we get to watch the kid ride a 125.. win win
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7/25/2016 1:49pm
rosebud441 wrote:
That's refreshing to hear.. Smart parents, AND we get to watch the kid ride a 125.. win win
Yeah I would say his Dad and Uncles are pretty smart

http://bbrmotorsports.com/Home/Home.aspx?s=true
Ha, Ok I see the connection here.. Those guys are awesome no wonder the kid ripps!!
7/25/2016 1:51pm
You're welcome.
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I want to say something nice about that GoPro video…
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7/25/2016 3:47pm Edited Date/Time 7/25/2016 3:48pm
Thxs for the links Sarge

This one here is perfect. the way the sound echoes off the trees then rings clear as the bikes come out of the woods.

Pure Moto as I remember it...TURN IT UP!
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7/25/2016 7:50pm
MotoGuido wrote:
Well if that's not a passive "Fuck You." I'd pay to see professional two stroke racing. I did for a lot of years. I'm consistently disappointed...
Well if that's not a passive "Fuck You."

I'd pay to see professional two stroke racing. I did for a lot of years.

I'm consistently disappointed when I pay to watch 4-stroke racing.



GuyB wrote:
I posted up a quick clip to give people a sense of being there. It's not all the coverage we'll do on it. I haven't even...
I posted up a quick clip to give people a sense of being there. It's not all the coverage we'll do on it. I haven't even gone through all the photos from the pro race yesterday. To read a, "Why such poor coverage..." message is a bit of a less than passive FU.
Guy,

Noted.

For the record, I appreciate any coverage on the two stroke racing and I look forward to it!
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7/25/2016 7:58pm
Old-Man wrote:
Thxs for the links Sarge [url=https://youtu.be/7q83m-IsMzQ]This one here[/url] is perfect. the way the sound echoes off the trees then rings clear as the bikes come out...
Thxs for the links Sarge

This one here is perfect. the way the sound echoes off the trees then rings clear as the bikes come out of the woods.

Pure Moto as I remember it...TURN IT UP!
Yep. Dat sound. Could almost smell that sweet bean oil and race gas. Yum.
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Yep. That sound makes me want to buy a 4 stroke.

Said no one ever.
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7/26/2016 7:21am
Thanks for posting that!

Two things:

1. Damn, Pingree is fast!

2: The bike he is on sounds awesome. Deep note.
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7/26/2016 7:26am
That was awesome! bring that to every national & cut out all the other time wasting bullshit. Ping & Tedesco still fast as hell... Never saw the winner! Is there a complete list of results?
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7/26/2016 9:12am
just James wrote:
YES! A wonderful stepping stone for young riders to get some experience on a national track, and showcase their skills. Affordable for most riders to run...
YES! A wonderful stepping stone for young riders to get some experience on a national track, and showcase their skills.
Affordable for most riders to run two or three of the rounds nearest their home, and maybe catch the attention of potential sponsors.
ricko wrote:
they do have it. it's called amateur day. school boy class or at high point they had 125 b/c on amateur day. i think just about...
they do have it. it's called amateur day. school boy class or at high point they had 125 b/c on amateur day. i think just about every round has amateur day where anyone can ride the track in just about any class.
bsharkey wrote:
sorry but your wrong. a few years back for some stupid reason they allowed 250f s to race in the class and ruined it. so nows...
sorry but your wrong. a few years back for some stupid reason they allowed 250f s to race in the class and ruined it. so nows its another 250 class. like your kids cant race 250b / mod and open but now they needed schoolboy for 250fs too. from what I heard though Huffman is going to turn it back into a real 125 class again next year
July 25th PulpMX Show .. . . . David Pingree and Jason Thomas quotes:

“You think it’s a good idea for a kid to go from an 80cc to the 250F?”
“I can’t build a 250F motor, I have no idea” “There’s a valid place for this bike in our sport”
“125’s and 250F’s are close in everything but affordability”
“Cannot learn the fundamentals of motocross on a 250F”
“Dudes are getting hurt bad” “That bike, (125cc two stroke), needs to be around”
“Not nearly talented enough to be jumping the stuff he’s jumping”
“Must be able carry momentum”

Why can’t we get rid of, or modify, the severely outdated “Double Displacement Rule?” The AMA classes have always been 125cc and 250cc, with a displacement advantage for four-strokes. We got rid of the Open Class in 1995.
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7/26/2016 10:07am
rosebud441 wrote:
That's refreshing to hear.. Smart parents, AND we get to watch the kid ride a 125.. win win
Yeah I would say his Dad and Uncles are pretty smart

http://bbrmotorsports.com/Home/Home.aspx?s=true
rosebud441 wrote:
Ha, Ok I see the connection here.. Those guys are awesome no wonder the kid ripps!!
the funny thing is carson got racing late in life really. besides racing pitbike stuff he really didn't take racing serious til he was 13. probably a good reason why hes had a hard time finding a ride too. all those young kids secure there rides at early ages and it doesn't leave the door open for anyone else.by the way jw381 he is 17 or ama 16
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7/27/2016 4:41am
ricko wrote:
they do have it. it's called amateur day. school boy class or at high point they had 125 b/c on amateur day. i think just about...
they do have it. it's called amateur day. school boy class or at high point they had 125 b/c on amateur day. i think just about every round has amateur day where anyone can ride the track in just about any class.
bsharkey wrote:
sorry but your wrong. a few years back for some stupid reason they allowed 250f s to race in the class and ruined it. so nows...
sorry but your wrong. a few years back for some stupid reason they allowed 250f s to race in the class and ruined it. so nows its another 250 class. like your kids cant race 250b / mod and open but now they needed schoolboy for 250fs too. from what I heard though Huffman is going to turn it back into a real 125 class again next year
GangGreen wrote:
[b]July 25th PulpMX Show .. . . . David Pingree and Jason Thomas quotes:[/b] “You think it’s a good idea for a kid to go from...
July 25th PulpMX Show .. . . . David Pingree and Jason Thomas quotes:

“You think it’s a good idea for a kid to go from an 80cc to the 250F?”
“I can’t build a 250F motor, I have no idea” “There’s a valid place for this bike in our sport”
“125’s and 250F’s are close in everything but affordability”
“Cannot learn the fundamentals of motocross on a 250F”
“Dudes are getting hurt bad” “That bike, (125cc two stroke), needs to be around”
“Not nearly talented enough to be jumping the stuff he’s jumping”
“Must be able carry momentum”

Why can’t we get rid of, or modify, the severely outdated “Double Displacement Rule?” The AMA classes have always been 125cc and 250cc, with a displacement advantage for four-strokes. We got rid of the Open Class in 1995.
Also on Monday’s PULPMX Show, Jason Thomas states the following regarding the costs of four stroke dirt bikes…..

· “I never would have been in the sport”
· “To keep this sport thriving, we have to find more affordable ways to get people into the sport”
· “Ricky Carmichael’s parents, James Stewart's parents, if the bikes would have cost eight grand, they never would have been in the sport”

Why can’t we get rid of, or modify, the severely outdated “Double Displacement Rule?”
The AMA classes have always been 125cc and 250cc, with a displacement advantage for four-strokes. We got rid of the Open Class in 1995.
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7/27/2016 9:13am
I've been bringing this idea up anytime someone asks about saving the sport.

We need a 125 Pro-AM class series to tag along with the SX and MX series.

Ran in a similar fashion and stepping stone as AX. You have east and west regional races which count towards pro license

Limit support of class ie no factory bikes. No one who earned points in the last 2 years and no age restrictions

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