Congrats Herlings!

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early wrote:
Yes i think Herlings could have gapped Nelson by 40 seconds in Latvia. No disrespect to Jessy but he finished 5th in the outdoors last year...
Yes i think Herlings could have gapped Nelson by 40 seconds in Latvia. No disrespect to Jessy but he finished 5th in the outdoors last year with a handful of podiums. Point is, the current MX2 field had nothing against guys who were not ama 250 championship contenders. Plus there were no MX2 guys at the front of the MXDN last year (that i can remember).

How much do these wins by Herlings mean is the question. It would be the same if Marc Marquez had spent another couple years in Moto2 instead of taking on Rossi and Lorenzo.
'No disrespect to Jessy but he finished 5th in the outdoors last year with a handful of podiums.'

To put that point into perspective, at least three or four of the fastest and most experienced MX2 riders were absent from Glen Helen; Herlings, Ferrandis, Tixier & Tonkov. As for the remainder of the field, Max Anstie was probably closest to Nelson in terms of age and experience, and he had a poor USGP.

Nelson rode really well and Im not sure any of the guys I listed above would have had anyting for him anyway, bar maybe Herlings. But considering Glen Gelen is only a 30 minute drive away from the TLD teams headquarters I'd imagine those guys have a pretty unique understanding of the place. In comparison I don't think many of the MX2 riders had ever been there before, I know Gajser or Jonass certainly hadn't.
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I hope he stays healthy and goes undefeated in MX2 (will that be the first undefeated GP season?). I also hope he does a national here and the MXDN. And I really hope he moves up next year.
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By the very definition of sandbagging it is a legitimate opinion of Herlings.

He chose not to race against the best competition available to him and instead chose to race a division in which he knew there was not any at his level.

Imo it was a wise decision though after what happened last year. He comes back and reaffirms the notion in his head that he is unbeatable. It's a wise move to make the step up with no doubts or regrets.

However if he hangs back next year after the floor wiping he's put on the class this year my opinion will drastically change of him. I would wonder if he truly wants to race people who may be able to run his pace, or close to it.
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Am I having flashbacks or is this a new thread?

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Might as well stay in the mx2 class now.
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What are his lap times compared to the big bikes?
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What I found interesting at the weekend was that in both 250 motos Herlings took it to 18 laps both times, whereas in the 450s they only managed 17 in both of their motos.

So it's not just fastest laps where he's nailing it. It's over the whole race distance. And when you consider that he had a huge lead and didn't need to push, that's pretty impressive.
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Robgvx wrote:
What I found interesting at the weekend was that in both 250 motos Herlings took it to 18 laps both times, whereas in the 450s they...
What I found interesting at the weekend was that in both 250 motos Herlings took it to 18 laps both times, whereas in the 450s they only managed 17 in both of their motos.

So it's not just fastest laps where he's nailing it. It's over the whole race distance. And when you consider that he had a huge lead and didn't need to push, that's pretty impressive.
Here's a terrifying thought, bearing in mind that he had no reason to push, maybe he still has some time in hand Shocked
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MR. X wrote:
What are his lap times compared to the big bikes?
250 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1.51.6

450 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Gajser- 1:53.3

250 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1:51.4

450 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Febvre- 1:52.2

To add a little more context to it, Herlings last lap of the second MX2 Moto was a 1:53.0. So he was on par with the 450 guys even after 30+2
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5/3/2016 8:35am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2016 8:39am
MR. X wrote:
What are his lap times compared to the big bikes?
RG1 wrote:
250 Moto 1 Fastest Lap: Herlings- 1.51.6 450 Moto 1 Fastest Lap: Gajser- 1:53.3 250 Moto 2 Fastest Lap: Herlings- 1:51.4 450 Moto 2 Fastest Lap...
250 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1.51.6

450 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Gajser- 1:53.3

250 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1:51.4

450 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Febvre- 1:52.2

To add a little more context to it, Herlings last lap of the second MX2 Moto was a 1:53.0. So he was on par with the 450 guys even after 30+2
If you're correct about Jeffrey's last lap being a 1:53.0 then he covered 17 laps (on a rougher track) 25 seconds faster than Gajser's 17 laps earlier in MXGP Moto 1.

With nobody pushing him but himself.

He could actually make MXGP boring, so maybe he's fine where he is for now!
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MR. X wrote:
What are his lap times compared to the big bikes?
RG1 wrote:
250 Moto 1 Fastest Lap: Herlings- 1.51.6 450 Moto 1 Fastest Lap: Gajser- 1:53.3 250 Moto 2 Fastest Lap: Herlings- 1:51.4 450 Moto 2 Fastest Lap...
250 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1.51.6

450 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Gajser- 1:53.3

250 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1:51.4

450 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Febvre- 1:52.2

To add a little more context to it, Herlings last lap of the second MX2 Moto was a 1:53.0. So he was on par with the 450 guys even after 30+2
Robgvx wrote:
If you're correct about Jeffrey's last lap being a 1:53.0 then he covered 17 laps (on a rougher track) 25 seconds faster than Gajser's 17 laps...
If you're correct about Jeffrey's last lap being a 1:53.0 then he covered 17 laps (on a rougher track) 25 seconds faster than Gajser's 17 laps earlier in MXGP Moto 1.

With nobody pushing him but himself.

He could actually make MXGP boring, so maybe he's fine where he is for now!
That's why the 450 guys paid him to stay in the 250 class this year
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MR. X wrote:
What are his lap times compared to the big bikes?
RG1 wrote:
250 Moto 1 Fastest Lap: Herlings- 1.51.6 450 Moto 1 Fastest Lap: Gajser- 1:53.3 250 Moto 2 Fastest Lap: Herlings- 1:51.4 450 Moto 2 Fastest Lap...
250 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1.51.6

450 Moto 1 Fastest Lap:
Gajser- 1:53.3

250 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Herlings- 1:51.4

450 Moto 2 Fastest Lap:
Febvre- 1:52.2

To add a little more context to it, Herlings last lap of the second MX2 Moto was a 1:53.0. So he was on par with the 450 guys even after 30+2
Robgvx wrote:
If you're correct about Jeffrey's last lap being a 1:53.0 then he covered 17 laps (on a rougher track) 25 seconds faster than Gajser's 17 laps...
If you're correct about Jeffrey's last lap being a 1:53.0 then he covered 17 laps (on a rougher track) 25 seconds faster than Gajser's 17 laps earlier in MXGP Moto 1.

With nobody pushing him but himself.

He could actually make MXGP boring, so maybe he's fine where he is for now!
That's the worry. Him moving out of MX2 could actually make both classes less exciting to watch. We'll have to wait and see. One thing is for sure though, he's absolutely back to his peak again
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Keep this thread going until the next GP.
5/3/2016 9:46am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2016 9:49am
Herlings will be riding the 450 at the International Race in Rhenen this Thursday. The article says he has already trained on the 450 a few times and now he's gonna race it to see how it works out.

Source: motocrossplanet
http://www.motocrossplanet.nl/nieuws-nat/51809/Jeffrey-Herlings-a.s-don…-
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Herlings will be riding the 450 at the International Race in Rhenen this Thursday. The article says he has already trained on the 450 a few...
Herlings will be riding the 450 at the International Race in Rhenen this Thursday. The article says he has already trained on the 450 a few times and now he's gonna race it to see how it works out.

Source: motocrossplanet
http://www.motocrossplanet.nl/nieuws-nat/51809/Jeffrey-Herlings-a.s-don…-
"After good consultation we decided to race the MX1 class". Fucking lol. Why needs the fastest motocross racer of Europe good consultation to ride the MX1 class on a local race? This is fucking funny by the way, the article states: he has to face the competition of David Philippaerts and Steve Ramon. Man that needed a good consultation indeed..
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Hey guys,

Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450.....

Totally different animal.

I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but I think he would be closer in speed to the top contenders in MX1. (Gajser and Febvre)

I could be wrong though, he could be like Tomac outdoors in 2015..... We will see!
5/3/2016 11:04am
Hey guys, Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450..... Totally different animal. I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but...
Hey guys,

Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450.....

Totally different animal.

I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but I think he would be closer in speed to the top contenders in MX1. (Gajser and Febvre)

I could be wrong though, he could be like Tomac outdoors in 2015..... We will see!
Agreed, Tommy Searle beat Herlings regularly, but hasn't been able to get a podium yet!
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He was riding the 450 today, according to his latest Instagram post.
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Hey guys, Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450..... Totally different animal. I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but...
Hey guys,

Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450.....

Totally different animal.

I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but I think he would be closer in speed to the top contenders in MX1. (Gajser and Febvre)

I could be wrong though, he could be like Tomac outdoors in 2015..... We will see!
Agreed, Tommy Searle beat Herlings regularly, but hasn't been able to get a podium yet!
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt he be quicker than Gajser and Febvre
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Hey guys, Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450..... Totally different animal. I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but...
Hey guys,

Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450.....

Totally different animal.

I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but I think he would be closer in speed to the top contenders in MX1. (Gajser and Febvre)

I could be wrong though, he could be like Tomac outdoors in 2015..... We will see!
Agreed, Tommy Searle beat Herlings regularly, but hasn't been able to get a podium yet!
brimx153 wrote:
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt...
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt he be quicker than Gajser and Febvre
Because he has never shown that kind of speed. Sorry to break it to ya dude.

He was pretty quick on the 250, beat JH a couple of times. That was about it.
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Am I having flashbacks or is this a new thread?
Different thread, Same losers.
5/3/2016 1:05pm
Agreed, Tommy Searle beat Herlings regularly, but hasn't been able to get a podium yet!
brimx153 wrote:
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt...
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt he be quicker than Gajser and Febvre
Aryen wrote:
Because he has never shown that kind of speed. Sorry to break it to ya dude. He was pretty quick on the 250, beat JH a...
Because he has never shown that kind of speed. Sorry to break it to ya dude.

He was pretty quick on the 250, beat JH a couple of times. That was about it.
Errr, he beat him more than a couple of times and lost the championship by 43 points with 3 dnfs ( I think) . Oh and lapped Herlings at Spain ( and before you say it , i know Herlings lapped him in the sand)
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Hey guys, Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450..... Totally different animal. I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but...
Hey guys,

Success on the 250 does not mean success on the 450.....

Totally different animal.

I think Herlings would be fine on a 450, but I think he would be closer in speed to the top contenders in MX1. (Gajser and Febvre)

I could be wrong though, he could be like Tomac outdoors in 2015..... We will see!
Agreed, Tommy Searle beat Herlings regularly, but hasn't been able to get a podium yet!
brimx153 wrote:
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt...
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt he be quicker than Gajser and Febvre
Totally agree with you mate I've seen Tommy beat herlings a few times so that should make him the best ever,not every 250 rider is automatically going to be as good on a 450 as history shows
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Its not his fault everyone else sucks.
It IS the Pro class.
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Motofinne wrote:
He was riding the 450 today, according to his latest Instagram post.
And looks like he will do a dutch race this thursday on a 450 if my dutch is good enough :>
http://motocrossplanet.nl/
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5/3/2016 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 5/3/2016 4:02pm
Agreed, Tommy Searle beat Herlings regularly, but hasn't been able to get a podium yet!
brimx153 wrote:
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt...
i agree ,but he already has raced 350 and been really fast on it .injury has been Tommys biggest problem . baring injury why would nt he be quicker than Gajser and Febvre
Aryen wrote:
Because he has never shown that kind of speed. Sorry to break it to ya dude. He was pretty quick on the 250, beat JH a...
Because he has never shown that kind of speed. Sorry to break it to ya dude.

He was pretty quick on the 250, beat JH a couple of times. That was about it.
Not accurate at all. Thats the 2012 MX2 season and Searle won 5-6 GP's against Herlings that year. Lots of moto wins as well. Searle lost the title by like 40 points, but also had three mechanical DNF that year. Obviously if his motors had been more reliable that season he very well might have won the title.

It's also the last year Herlings had any competition for a complete season.
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There is nothing wrong with Herlings riding the 250 this year after those injuries.

As for comparing him to Davalos, they are not on the same level. I don't have a problem with someone old riding the 250 class if they haven't won a championship or pointed out. I get Dowd started later, but he still rode the 125 after he did well on the 250 outdoors.

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