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Always like getting other's advice as I tend to be a terribly indecisive person. I'm a old (31 year old, 5'11, 155lb) C rider, just got into the sport about 3 years ago and can say I'm alittle obsessed. I always rode 250f's and last year picked up a 125 and told myself it would be a practice bike, well I found out I am faster and more comfortable on the 125 and sold the 250f this past winter (financial adult spoke at the time). If I only had one bike to pick I would be on a 125. Im far from a rich man (active duty military) but single and have toys instead of kids. I know I really only need one bike as I'm not going pro and only ride on the weekends for fun and with my buddies and the occasional race every month. But moto and bikes are in my blood now and the taste of having 2 is hard to get off my palette so to speak and came across a great deal on a new 250f like the one I sold. The adult in me tells me that financially I only need one, that the money is better spent but Im not sure if its a self esteem, moto thing or something but I cant resist the desire to have 2 bikes again , making alot of justifications in my head for basically buying the bike I sold in the winter, (can have 2 bikes for friends, when ones down, etc.) The other side of me misses my street bike and the trails and is considering a dualsport I can ride to work to save gas from my truck and maybe hit a few trails on the way or for fun. I found a nice crf250l for half the price of the 250f, so would be cheaper and something different than another moto bike, but would I later regret it and wish I had bought the 250f. Then the sensible adult kicks in and says a) your not going pro b) you need to save for a house and retirement and c) you only need one and your blessed to have one! So just run the 125 until its time to move up or its to the point of a major rebuild/buying another one. Thoughts and critiques are welcome, I already get alot of shit from my friends about my bike obsession.
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I'm in the same boat. Kept the 125 and bought a matching 250. I always wanted to ride twins.....
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I know nothing of this "bike obsession".Laughing I just did this to get some of my parts bikes and future projects out of my way so I could walk through my garage. Under 40 now of you don't count the 20 or so stripped down frames!



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i have 15 "whole" ones and the potential for many more, too many parts, my advice , your going to be old for a lot longer than your young, have fun now
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hey Newmann in your pile of crap i saw you have one of these i finished it last spring
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I would have kept the Ktm and ridden it more than 20 minutes before selling it.
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JWACK wrote:
I would have kept the Ktm and ridden it more than 20 minutes before selling it.
bahaha, nah, that bike just wasnt jiving with me at all.
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hey Newmann in your pile of crap i saw you have one of these i finished it last spring [img][/img]
hey Newmann in your pile of crap i saw you have one of these i finished it last spring
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Yep, that belongs to the oldest son. I bought it new for him back in 1989 for Christmas when he was 4. It is a 87 model as Yamaha did not make any for 88 and 89 as I understood at the time and they restarted production for 1990 with an identical bike. Is that correct? It is in need of a restoration one day.
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Perhaps a used yz 250 two stroke then. It won't break the bank, you already like the Yz chassis and it would be something a little different plus you have lots of parts that swap between bikes.
5/2/2016 5:53pm
First off let me thank you for serving and protecting our country. If you want a second bike I'd say go for it. Almost everyone I know that rides has 2+ bikes. Shop around for a bit and see what you like. If you really like 2 strokes but don't just want a play bike you could find a street legal 2 stroke enduro or supermoto. They are a lot of fun to ride around town on.
5/2/2016 6:31pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2016 6:32pm
I look at it this way, is owning the second bike going to effect how often i can go riding due to finances? or effect other things i like to do.? if so, one bike. If not, 2. I get a new bike ever few years and overlap that with selling my old bike.
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JWACK wrote:
Perhaps a used yz 250 two stroke then. It won't break the bank, you already like the Yz chassis and it would be something a little...
Perhaps a used yz 250 two stroke then. It won't break the bank, you already like the Yz chassis and it would be something a little different plus you have lots of parts that swap between bikes.
Thought about this, possibly waiting for a year or two and seeing if I should just move up to this. Thanks.
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I look at it this way, is owning the second bike going to effect how often i can go riding due to finances? or effect other...
I look at it this way, is owning the second bike going to effect how often i can go riding due to finances? or effect other things i like to do.? if so, one bike. If not, 2. I get a new bike ever few years and overlap that with selling my old bike.
Agree, this is what I used to do with my 4 strokes to save on overall cost, ride it for 2 years and then sell it for a new one, kept me in a fresh bike and not dealing with major rebuild costs. And I agree, though I could afford both bikes it would restrict the finances a little bit that sometimes its not worth the extra stress. Thanks!
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First off let me thank you for serving and protecting our country. If you want a second bike I'd say go for it. Almost everyone I...
First off let me thank you for serving and protecting our country. If you want a second bike I'd say go for it. Almost everyone I know that rides has 2+ bikes. Shop around for a bit and see what you like. If you really like 2 strokes but don't just want a play bike you could find a street legal 2 stroke enduro or supermoto. They are a lot of fun to ride around town on.
My privilege to serve. Agreed, was trying to find a nice play street legal 2 stroke around here, would also love a KTM 350 EXC but those are a small fortune. Thanks!
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usafwx wrote:
Always like getting other's advice as I tend to be a terribly indecisive person. I'm a old (31 year old, 5'11, 155lb) C rider, just got...
Always like getting other's advice as I tend to be a terribly indecisive person. I'm a old (31 year old, 5'11, 155lb) C rider, just got into the sport about 3 years ago and can say I'm alittle obsessed. I always rode 250f's and last year picked up a 125 and told myself it would be a practice bike, well I found out I am faster and more comfortable on the 125 and sold the 250f this past winter (financial adult spoke at the time). If I only had one bike to pick I would be on a 125. Im far from a rich man (active duty military) but single and have toys instead of kids. I know I really only need one bike as I'm not going pro and only ride on the weekends for fun and with my buddies and the occasional race every month. But moto and bikes are in my blood now and the taste of having 2 is hard to get off my palette so to speak and came across a great deal on a new 250f like the one I sold. The adult in me tells me that financially I only need one, that the money is better spent but Im not sure if its a self esteem, moto thing or something but I cant resist the desire to have 2 bikes again , making alot of justifications in my head for basically buying the bike I sold in the winter, (can have 2 bikes for friends, when ones down, etc.) The other side of me misses my street bike and the trails and is considering a dualsport I can ride to work to save gas from my truck and maybe hit a few trails on the way or for fun. I found a nice crf250l for half the price of the 250f, so would be cheaper and something different than another moto bike, but would I later regret it and wish I had bought the 250f. Then the sensible adult kicks in and says a) your not going pro b) you need to save for a house and retirement and c) you only need one and your blessed to have one! So just run the 125 until its time to move up or its to the point of a major rebuild/buying another one. Thoughts and critiques are welcome, I already get alot of shit from my friends about my bike obsession.

Since getting out of the Corps in 2009, I paid off everything in my life working hard at civilian jobs. I am a really frugal dude, so if I were still trying to save for a house I would not even consider a second bike.

My advice is to keep the 125, enjoy it and save for a piece of land and a home. Focus your efforts on securing your financial freedom. Pay off your cars, mortgage, credit cards, etc. first.
The 125 will make you a smarter, more efficient and faster rider/racer and you'll be able to afford to keep it running.

When the time comes that you are established with a civilian job, a home and a good chunk of money in savings, jump on a few different bikes and enjoy your financial freedom.

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2 bikes ? .......would be great start. Life is short, do what makes you happy
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cwtoyota wrote:
Since getting out of the Corps in 2009, I paid off everything in my life working hard at civilian jobs. I am a really frugal dude...

Since getting out of the Corps in 2009, I paid off everything in my life working hard at civilian jobs. I am a really frugal dude, so if I were still trying to save for a house I would not even consider a second bike.

My advice is to keep the 125, enjoy it and save for a piece of land and a home. Focus your efforts on securing your financial freedom. Pay off your cars, mortgage, credit cards, etc. first.
The 125 will make you a smarter, more efficient and faster rider/racer and you'll be able to afford to keep it running.

When the time comes that you are established with a civilian job, a home and a good chunk of money in savings, jump on a few different bikes and enjoy your financial freedom.

Thanks and thank you for your service, nice to hear this perspective sometimes, I have till fall of 2018 till I get out, just finished my bachelors and now working on my doctorate in PT, been in 8 years but decided the way the current AF is headed and what I've seen in my career so far I dont want to stay in after this enlistment, been working on setting myself up for success when I leave, which I think that deep down inside I know one bike is plenty and to work on getting in a good financial position to leave the AF rather than another toy as much as my heart tells me to buy another bike to make me happy.
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Most people don't last long on the street in NJ, but I'm sure you are aware of that.
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Cwtoyota is the voice of reason. He's absolutely right.

I'm a bit of an overindulgant asshole, and I have a matching 144/250. I barely ever ride the 250 but I refuse to sell it like I know I should if I were the type of man to make smarter decisions.

Like you I ride the smallbore better. I can ride faster more consistent laps on it 90% of the time. It makes me feel like a big fat James Stewart. Sometimes if I've been riding well and my head is in the right place, I'll get a flat tire or grenade a big end bearing which will cause me to unload the 250. Usually I think this thing is awesome, it has absolutely no bottom end and it requires all of the finesse that the 144 does, but it pulls twice as hard and doesn't encourage you to carry as much corner speed. It's like fucking the older loud obnoxious sister who is 20lbs overweight, has a slight snaggle tooth. She's not as much of a keeper but still pretty fun between the sheets and her legs are always open when the other one isn't putting out.

I say go get a matching YZ250, you know you want to. We both know it's the wrong decision but you won't be happy until you do. It's only money, you can make more
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EEE299 wrote:
Most people don't last long on the street in NJ, but I'm sure you are aware of that.
Funny you say that, I got stationed here from AZ, within 3 months of being in NJ sold my r6 and stuck to dirt. Reason I don't ride street here anymore.
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Cwtoyota is the voice of reason. He's absolutely right. I'm a bit of an overindulgant asshole, and I have a matching 144/250. I barely ever ride...
Cwtoyota is the voice of reason. He's absolutely right.

I'm a bit of an overindulgant asshole, and I have a matching 144/250. I barely ever ride the 250 but I refuse to sell it like I know I should if I were the type of man to make smarter decisions.

Like you I ride the smallbore better. I can ride faster more consistent laps on it 90% of the time. It makes me feel like a big fat James Stewart. Sometimes if I've been riding well and my head is in the right place, I'll get a flat tire or grenade a big end bearing which will cause me to unload the 250. Usually I think this thing is awesome, it has absolutely no bottom end and it requires all of the finesse that the 144 does, but it pulls twice as hard and doesn't encourage you to carry as much corner speed. It's like fucking the older loud obnoxious sister who is 20lbs overweight, has a slight snaggle tooth. She's not as much of a keeper but still pretty fun between the sheets and her legs are always open when the other one isn't putting out.

I say go get a matching YZ250, you know you want to. We both know it's the wrong decision but you won't be happy until you do. It's only money, you can make more
Lol, I wanted to but fear its too much. My issue with the 125 is on a tight track its hard to get over some jumps, i.e. tight turn in 2nd right before a big table that you need at least 3rd which a 250f would have no issue lugging over torque wise. I absolutely despise the maintainence and maintainence cost of the thumpers, and a 250 would be a logically bigger bike option. I've just heard that they need race gas due to detonation, are like a light switch to ride and worried its too much for me, but I agree its something I can grow into and lets be honest Yamaha isn't updated it anytime soon.

5/3/2016 5:34am
cwtoyota wrote:
Since getting out of the Corps in 2009, I paid off everything in my life working hard at civilian jobs. I am a really frugal dude...

Since getting out of the Corps in 2009, I paid off everything in my life working hard at civilian jobs. I am a really frugal dude, so if I were still trying to save for a house I would not even consider a second bike.

My advice is to keep the 125, enjoy it and save for a piece of land and a home. Focus your efforts on securing your financial freedom. Pay off your cars, mortgage, credit cards, etc. first.
The 125 will make you a smarter, more efficient and faster rider/racer and you'll be able to afford to keep it running.

When the time comes that you are established with a civilian job, a home and a good chunk of money in savings, jump on a few different bikes and enjoy your financial freedom.

usafwx wrote:
Thanks and thank you for your service, nice to hear this perspective sometimes, I have till fall of 2018 till I get out, just finished my...
Thanks and thank you for your service, nice to hear this perspective sometimes, I have till fall of 2018 till I get out, just finished my bachelors and now working on my doctorate in PT, been in 8 years but decided the way the current AF is headed and what I've seen in my career so far I dont want to stay in after this enlistment, been working on setting myself up for success when I leave, which I think that deep down inside I know one bike is plenty and to work on getting in a good financial position to leave the AF rather than another toy as much as my heart tells me to buy another bike to make me happy.
What cw said. It sounds like you know he's right, but you really just want another bike. Which makes me wonder if you truly like the 125 as much as you say. If you do, why do you need "another bike to make me happy"? Learn to be happy in whatever circumstances you find yourself in.

By the way, I'm not a headshrinker, but I play one on the interwebz. Best wishes to you no matter your choice. If you do get another bike, post up some pictures!
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What cw said. It sounds like you know he's right, but you really just want another bike. Which makes me wonder if you truly like the...
What cw said. It sounds like you know he's right, but you really just want another bike. Which makes me wonder if you truly like the 125 as much as you say. If you do, why do you need "another bike to make me happy"? Learn to be happy in whatever circumstances you find yourself in.

By the way, I'm not a headshrinker, but I play one on the interwebz. Best wishes to you no matter your choice. If you do get another bike, post up some pictures!
I know he's right, trust me I LOVEEEEE my 125, just the idea of owning 2 bikes again is appealing, that coupled with bike lust from supercross last week while there and just the feeling of I'm not really an MX guy unless you have more than one bike which I know is silly. Financially the best move would be to just keep one (my 125 is a 16 so has plenty of life) and if it blows up or whatever freak thing, I can always run out and buy another. The 27 year old in me would be at the dealer right now picking the 2nd bike up, the 31 year old has realized some things about myself and goals I have in the future. Thanks for the head shrinking!
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Asking this question here is analogous to going to a KrispyKreme store and asking the patrons if you should have a doughnut.
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5/3/2016 6:08am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2016 6:10am
What cw said. It sounds like you know he's right, but you really just want another bike. Which makes me wonder if you truly like the...
What cw said. It sounds like you know he's right, but you really just want another bike. Which makes me wonder if you truly like the 125 as much as you say. If you do, why do you need "another bike to make me happy"? Learn to be happy in whatever circumstances you find yourself in.

By the way, I'm not a headshrinker, but I play one on the interwebz. Best wishes to you no matter your choice. If you do get another bike, post up some pictures!
usafwx wrote:
I know he's right, trust me I LOVEEEEE my 125, just the idea of owning 2 bikes again is appealing, that coupled with bike lust from...
I know he's right, trust me I LOVEEEEE my 125, just the idea of owning 2 bikes again is appealing, that coupled with bike lust from supercross last week while there and just the feeling of I'm not really an MX guy unless you have more than one bike which I know is silly. Financially the best move would be to just keep one (my 125 is a 16 so has plenty of life) and if it blows up or whatever freak thing, I can always run out and buy another. The 27 year old in me would be at the dealer right now picking the 2nd bike up, the 31 year old has realized some things about myself and goals I have in the future. Thanks for the head shrinking!
Have you tried a big bore kit on your 125? Might be the solution you are looking for. A well set up 144 is like cheating, you can come out of any corner a gear higher with some clutch abuse where the 125 wouldn't pull it. A 155-167 will leave you with no desire to ride a 250F ever again. Have the patience to get it tuned and set up properly and I think you'd love it.
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NotCore wrote:
Asking this question here is analogous to going to a KrispyKreme store and asking the patrons if you should have a doughnut.
Awesome analogy.
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Have you tried a big bore kit on your 125? Might be the solution you are looking for. A well set up 144 is like cheating...
Have you tried a big bore kit on your 125? Might be the solution you are looking for. A well set up 144 is like cheating, you can come out of any corner a gear higher with some clutch abuse where the 125 wouldn't pull it. A 155-167 will leave you with no desire to ride a 250F ever again. Have the patience to get it tuned and set up properly and I think you'd love it.
I considered this, thought about picking up a used 125 and doing a 144 kit on it, make it a project bike, I heard though they are a bit funny with power delivery. Thanks for the advice!
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nytsmaC wrote:
Have you tried a big bore kit on your 125? Might be the solution you are looking for. A well set up 144 is like cheating...
Have you tried a big bore kit on your 125? Might be the solution you are looking for. A well set up 144 is like cheating, you can come out of any corner a gear higher with some clutch abuse where the 125 wouldn't pull it. A 155-167 will leave you with no desire to ride a 250F ever again. Have the patience to get it tuned and set up properly and I think you'd love it.
usafwx wrote:
I considered this, thought about picking up a used 125 and doing a 144 kit on it, make it a project bike, I heard though they...
I considered this, thought about picking up a used 125 and doing a 144 kit on it, make it a project bike, I heard though they are a bit funny with power delivery. Thanks for the advice!
They can be, but done properly they are awesome. Big bore kits are like a skinny chick with big tits, they can be good or bad depending on the surgeon.
5/3/2016 6:32am
a used 250F is always a gamble.
unless you want to buy a clapped out or blown up one and take the time to learn how to rebuild it yourself.

I would get a 250 2 stroke that is close to same year and make of your 125.
1. now you have 2 bikes
2. some parts might interchange
3. matching bikes look cool
4. no fear of blowing up a used 250 and paying through the nose to rebuild it.
5. shouldn't cost you much

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nytsmaC wrote:
Cwtoyota is the voice of reason. He's absolutely right. I'm a bit of an overindulgant asshole, and I have a matching 144/250. I barely ever ride...
Cwtoyota is the voice of reason. He's absolutely right.

I'm a bit of an overindulgant asshole, and I have a matching 144/250. I barely ever ride the 250 but I refuse to sell it like I know I should if I were the type of man to make smarter decisions.

Like you I ride the smallbore better. I can ride faster more consistent laps on it 90% of the time. It makes me feel like a big fat James Stewart. Sometimes if I've been riding well and my head is in the right place, I'll get a flat tire or grenade a big end bearing which will cause me to unload the 250. Usually I think this thing is awesome, it has absolutely no bottom end and it requires all of the finesse that the 144 does, but it pulls twice as hard and doesn't encourage you to carry as much corner speed. It's like fucking the older loud obnoxious sister who is 20lbs overweight, has a slight snaggle tooth. She's not as much of a keeper but still pretty fun between the sheets and her legs are always open when the other one isn't putting out.

I say go get a matching YZ250, you know you want to. We both know it's the wrong decision but you won't be happy until you do. It's only money, you can make more
usafwx wrote:
Lol, I wanted to but fear its too much. My issue with the 125 is on a tight track its hard to get over some jumps...
Lol, I wanted to but fear its too much. My issue with the 125 is on a tight track its hard to get over some jumps, i.e. tight turn in 2nd right before a big table that you need at least 3rd which a 250f would have no issue lugging over torque wise. I absolutely despise the maintainence and maintainence cost of the thumpers, and a 250 would be a logically bigger bike option. I've just heard that they need race gas due to detonation, are like a light switch to ride and worried its too much for me, but I agree its something I can grow into and lets be honest Yamaha isn't updated it anytime soon.

NytsmaC, I should mention that I have owned a fleet of Yamahas ever since I paid off everything... Currently I have a pair of YZ250s and a YZ125. I sold an '08 YZ125 to a friend and a YZ450F didn't stick around long due to inferior lap times.

USAFWX, The YZ250 two stroke is a far better bike than the YZ250F at an A or B level. At a C or D level, I think most people are just more consistent on the 250F. The YZ250 doesn't need race gas, it needs proper jetting, timing and a little modification to the head. I do all of those things and run race gas for the extra margin of safety it provides. I won four motos on an ugly old out of date steel framed 2002 YZ250 this weekend...

By the time you can afford the 2nd bike, you'll be able to wring every last drop out of that 125 on the track if you practice hard. Maybe by then Yamaha will update their YZ250 a bit.

Something to seriously consider is to keep your YZ125 stock. Stock bore rebuilds are cheap. Big bore pistons are somewhat more money and you won't learn as much about corner speed.
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NytsmaC, I should mention that I have owned a fleet of Yamahas ever since I paid off everything... Currently I have a pair of YZ250s and...
NytsmaC, I should mention that I have owned a fleet of Yamahas ever since I paid off everything... Currently I have a pair of YZ250s and a YZ125. I sold an '08 YZ125 to a friend and a YZ450F didn't stick around long due to inferior lap times.

USAFWX, The YZ250 two stroke is a far better bike than the YZ250F at an A or B level. At a C or D level, I think most people are just more consistent on the 250F. The YZ250 doesn't need race gas, it needs proper jetting, timing and a little modification to the head. I do all of those things and run race gas for the extra margin of safety it provides. I won four motos on an ugly old out of date steel framed 2002 YZ250 this weekend...

By the time you can afford the 2nd bike, you'll be able to wring every last drop out of that 125 on the track if you practice hard. Maybe by then Yamaha will update their YZ250 a bit.

Something to seriously consider is to keep your YZ125 stock. Stock bore rebuilds are cheap. Big bore pistons are somewhat more money and you won't learn as much about corner speed.
Thanks CWToyota, like someone else said asking if I should buy a 2nd bike here is like asking a bunch of addicts if I should have another. Gonna stick with my 125 and leave her stock minus my suspension and other creature comforts I already did, focus hard on technique and more seat time instead of another bike to pay for and when the time comes to add a bigger beast to the stable it will likely be a 250 smoker. Thanks again for being the "adult" one in here.

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