Congrats Herlings!

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Definition of sandbagger.
He is not sandbagging. He is playing by the rules.
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If Herlings moves up next year he will KILL everyone in the MX1 class by a mile . I am sick of everyone calling the mx2...
If Herlings moves up next year he will KILL everyone in the MX1 class by a mile . I am sick of everyone calling the mx2 class week because of Herlings .Look at whos winning the MX1 class now . Herlings use to beat them by a mile . when he moves mx1 he will again . Imo he would be 20 plus seconds ahead of any 250 rider in the states too
I would stop myself from saying something about how many seconds he would smoke the field in the US...We heard that all before RV came and...
I would stop myself from saying something about how many seconds he would smoke the field in the US...We heard that all before RV came and it sounds disrespectful the other way around as well.
Not being disrespectful . Just alot of people here think Herlings only won or wins because he races against terrible competition .really crap riders like Romain Febvre and Tim Gajser . there has been many people here who have said just that . Well Romain and Tim have proved that they are far from crap rider s. Its just that Herlings is that good .JMO That when he does move up i can see him beat Tim Gajser and Romain Febvre by the same gap in alot of races. most US fans really put down the mx2 class .i really think it s pretty equal to the 250 class in the US . Bar Herlings is in a class of his own . In the States i think Jmart and Webb will be in a class of there own .they might have something for Herlings .But i really dont think so .IMO the only person would Tomac from the first 4 motos last year ,that could live with Herlings when he is on

ps. i really dont like Herlings .I just think he is that fast
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We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year because he wasnt there.

What we do know is that the American 250 B team gapped Herlings' current 250 competition by 20 seconds last year at Glen Helen. That is why the MX2 class is weak its already been proven.



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early wrote:
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year...
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year because he wasnt there.

What we do know is that the American 250 B team gapped Herlings' current 250 competition by 20 seconds last year at Glen Helen. That is why the MX2 class is weak its already been proven.



That track was their backyard practice track.

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Easy there, Tempura, I think the dumb shit spewing from the the obviously jealous OP is originating in Canada? Not the U.S. Don't confuse that with...
Easy there, Tempura, I think the dumb shit spewing from the the obviously jealous OP is originating in Canada? Not the U.S. Don't confuse that with me thinking a ton of dipshit comments don't originate here either though! Sorry about your dicks guys. Let's cry about a kid younger than J-Mart dominating a World Championship. Humanity is so fucked with our crybaby generation.
Happy Monday, another week of sweet, new threads about people's feelings being hurt by the action of some professional athlete they've never met, and likely never even seen ride. But hey, A class, expert, Pro keyboard warriors probably know better?
This thread reminds me of the commercial where the guy gets busted using his wife's Summers Eve soap, so he goes and does a bunch of manly shit. If you're complaining about PRO sandbagging, go chop some wood, tow a car with your teeth, or maybe just try and get some pussy, in person, not online.
You're right, the kid that started this thread is Canadian. I assume he's a child, if not, he's got a lot of growing up to do.
One reason for my assumption was because I've seen so much negative posting from US (us Versus them mentality) members regarding Herlings, it's like you guys fear his talent so much, you're compelled to try and down-play everything he does.
I'm neutral in all of this, and can appreciate the talent of Herlings for what it is.
Maybe some of you kids in the U.S. And Canada Need to swallow your pride and deflate your ego's a little and appreciate the sport and the talent within it, regardless of nationality, or which class/series he races in.
He will race MXGP, it's gunna happen. Relax and enjoy it..
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5/2/2016 6:33pm
USMCMXer wrote:
Easy there, Tempura, I think the dumb shit spewing from the the obviously jealous OP is originating in Canada? Not the U.S. Don't confuse that with...
Easy there, Tempura, I think the dumb shit spewing from the the obviously jealous OP is originating in Canada? Not the U.S. Don't confuse that with me thinking a ton of dipshit comments don't originate here either though! Sorry about your dicks guys. Let's cry about a kid younger than J-Mart dominating a World Championship. Humanity is so fucked with our crybaby generation.
Happy Monday, another week of sweet, new threads about people's feelings being hurt by the action of some professional athlete they've never met, and likely never even seen ride. But hey, A class, expert, Pro keyboard warriors probably know better?
This thread reminds me of the commercial where the guy gets busted using his wife's Summers Eve soap, so he goes and does a bunch of manly shit. If you're complaining about PRO sandbagging, go chop some wood, tow a car with your teeth, or maybe just try and get some pussy, in person, not online.
tempura wrote:
You're right, the kid that started this thread is Canadian. I assume he's a child, if not, he's got a lot of growing up to do...
You're right, the kid that started this thread is Canadian. I assume he's a child, if not, he's got a lot of growing up to do.
One reason for my assumption was because I've seen so much negative posting from US (us Versus them mentality) members regarding Herlings, it's like you guys fear his talent so much, you're compelled to try and down-play everything he does.
I'm neutral in all of this, and can appreciate the talent of Herlings for what it is.
Maybe some of you kids in the U.S. And Canada Need to swallow your pride and deflate your ego's a little and appreciate the sport and the talent within it, regardless of nationality, or which class/series he races in.
He will race MXGP, it's gunna happen. Relax and enjoy it..
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5/2/2016 7:07pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2016 7:09pm
early wrote:
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year...
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year because he wasnt there.

What we do know is that the American 250 B team gapped Herlings' current 250 competition by 20 seconds last year at Glen Helen. That is why the MX2 class is weak its already been proven.



That track was their backyard practice track.
Shouldn't matter .... They are elite world class riders right ?
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That track was their backyard practice track.
Its a World Championship, they should be able to ride anywhere in the World including THEIR backyard practice track Lommel.
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I have to say, The Bullet is making MXGP awesome to watch. Jeff's an incredible athlete; doesn't matter what class he's in. Look at the Motocross Des Nations, he was catching Tony C". Another 2 laps, it would have been all over. He's a champion and does very well- on all his interviews. I'm sure, he's not sand bagging it, that level, you don't sand bag. He's not said, what the reason for staying on the 250's, that I know of. What ever the reason, the guy has my attention. He takes care of business every time, he's at the gate. Undefeated, dang; better than I could do. Just saying...later guys
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5/2/2016 7:17pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Shouldn't matter .... They are elite world class riders right ?
Of course it matters! You don't think Herlings and Cairoli had an advantage at Lommell a few years ago at the MXoN?
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5/2/2016 7:18pm
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Its a World Championship, they should be able to ride anywhere in the World including THEIR backyard practice track Lommel.
If you don't think our riders had a HUGE advantage at that track, then I'm not sure what to say.
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5/2/2016 7:29pm Edited Date/Time 5/2/2016 7:37pm
Is there an age restriction in the MX1 class?

Why does MX2 have an age restriction? Oh, that's right, it's a transitional class, to MX1 no less.
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Anybody racing in World Championship is sandbagging. If they want to beat the best they come to America.
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early wrote:
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year...
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year because he wasnt there.

What we do know is that the American 250 B team gapped Herlings' current 250 competition by 20 seconds last year at Glen Helen. That is why the MX2 class is weak its already been proven.



The guy that finished 4th is currently running with and beating the guy that beat your team at the des nations.. Which only shows that this result shows nothing.
Take Nelson and McElrath to any track on the GP circuit and see how they go..

These threads always make me wanna ask the question who would win a fight between a bear and a shark?
5/2/2016 8:14pm
jemcee wrote:
The guy that finished 4th is currently running with and beating the guy that beat your team at the des nations.. Which only shows that this...
The guy that finished 4th is currently running with and beating the guy that beat your team at the des nations.. Which only shows that this result shows nothing.
Take Nelson and McElrath to any track on the GP circuit and see how they go..

These threads always make me wanna ask the question who would win a fight between a bear and a shark?
Wheres this fight taking place?

Also what kind of bear....drop bear hands down no competition
5/2/2016 8:16pm
jmx411 wrote:
Anybody racing in World Championship is sandbagging. If they want to beat the best they come to America.
Like the last 3 MXdN's
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Wheres this fight taking place?

Also what kind of bear....drop bear hands down no competition
Where's this fight taking place? Exactly my point haha

And obviously.. No one fucks with drop bears
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jemcee wrote:
The guy that finished 4th is currently running with and beating the guy that beat your team at the des nations.. Which only shows that this...
The guy that finished 4th is currently running with and beating the guy that beat your team at the des nations.. Which only shows that this result shows nothing.
Take Nelson and McElrath to any track on the GP circuit and see how they go..

These threads always make me wanna ask the question who would win a fight between a bear and a shark?
You are the one speculating, I am showing numbers. By the way there were 4 ama riders in the top 6 of last years MXDN including the AMAs top 3 250 riders of 2015. The point of this thread is that the competition in the MX2 class is not that great even though Herlings is a great rider.

Its not bears vs sharks, its more bears vs salmon, the competition isnt there.
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You are the one speculating, I am showing numbers. By the way there were 4 ama riders in the top 6 of last years MXDN including...
You are the one speculating, I am showing numbers. By the way there were 4 ama riders in the top 6 of last years MXDN including the AMAs top 3 250 riders of 2015. The point of this thread is that the competition in the MX2 class is not that great even though Herlings is a great rider.

Its not bears vs sharks, its more bears vs salmon, the competition isnt there.
I think you'll find zero speculation in my post..

The point of the thread was to bash Herlings

Yep sure mate you know best
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jemcee wrote:
The guy that finished 4th is currently running with and beating the guy that beat your team at the des nations.. Which only shows that this...
The guy that finished 4th is currently running with and beating the guy that beat your team at the des nations.. Which only shows that this result shows nothing.
Take Nelson and McElrath to any track on the GP circuit and see how they go..

These threads always make me wanna ask the question who would win a fight between a bear and a shark?
early wrote:
You are the one speculating, I am showing numbers. By the way there were 4 ama riders in the top 6 of last years MXDN including...
You are the one speculating, I am showing numbers. By the way there were 4 ama riders in the top 6 of last years MXDN including the AMAs top 3 250 riders of 2015. The point of this thread is that the competition in the MX2 class is not that great even though Herlings is a great rider.

Its not bears vs sharks, its more bears vs salmon, the competition isnt there.
I think Ferrandis and Anstie would do pretty good on a big bike. Calling them second tier is a bit harsh.
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5/3/2016 12:19am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2016 12:20am
early wrote:
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year...
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year because he wasnt there.

What we do know is that the American 250 B team gapped Herlings' current 250 competition by 20 seconds last year at Glen Helen. That is why the MX2 class is weak its already been proven.



A 21 second gap to Max Anstie.. Herlings gapped Anstie (2nd place) by 1 minute and 6 seconds last weekend. By your logic that will mean that Herlings would've gapped that field with 40 seconds. Sounds dumb huh
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After seeing Herlings ride in person at Latvia GP, he got a life long fan out of me. No matter where he rides. It is a privilige to see him do what he does.
5/3/2016 2:52am
brimx153 wrote:
Not being disrespectful . Just alot of people here think Herlings only won or wins because he races against terrible competition .really crap riders like Romain...
Not being disrespectful . Just alot of people here think Herlings only won or wins because he races against terrible competition .really crap riders like Romain Febvre and Tim Gajser . there has been many people here who have said just that . Well Romain and Tim have proved that they are far from crap rider s. Its just that Herlings is that good .JMO That when he does move up i can see him beat Tim Gajser and Romain Febvre by the same gap in alot of races. most US fans really put down the mx2 class .i really think it s pretty equal to the 250 class in the US . Bar Herlings is in a class of his own . In the States i think Jmart and Webb will be in a class of there own .they might have something for Herlings .But i really dont think so .IMO the only person would Tomac from the first 4 motos last year ,that could live with Herlings when he is on

ps. i really dont like Herlings .I just think he is that fast
Top post nail on the head, Webb and Martin may have something for him only on smooth hardpacked track, this guy gets faster as the track gets rougher thats why he excels on sandy deep rutted tracks he bounces off these ruts like no other.

There's no telling what hes like on a 450 I'm not sure if he will go faster he probably will given his athletic body and size and again you hit the nail on the head Tomac's first rounds last year in MX are pretty much the fastest I've seen, as a JS7 long time fan Tomac was probably quicker than him in his prime.

I really hope to see one day Tomac vs Herlings on the big bikes that would be something else.
5/3/2016 2:57am
early wrote:
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year...
We will never know what Herlings would have done in the big boy class against Febvre last year or Gajser and Febvre so far this year because he wasnt there.

What we do know is that the American 250 B team gapped Herlings' current 250 competition by 20 seconds last year at Glen Helen. That is why the MX2 class is weak its already been proven.



Gajser is currently gapping Guillod by 30 seconds plus.
5/3/2016 4:01am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2016 4:07am
Plugga wrote:
Is the MXGP class considered to be a higher level than MX2?
Its supposed to be.
You just can't tell because the series and riders are so weak that actual good riders stick out like sore thumbs! That's how youthstream sets it up! Showcasing top talent and exaggerating their talents by making sure their comp is made up of C riders at best.
More washed up AMA pros would make this series better, like they do in Canada!
MXGP is one small step above the CMRC as far as prestige , but CMRC pays a pro purse (as pathetic as it is) it attracts washed up AMA racers!
YouthStream is just a travelling circus! Like any circus ! It has its stars !
Put MXGP stars next to washed up AMA pros and everyone will say GP guys are awesome!
Put a star on the line next to a bunch of nobody's AND the so-called competition just got sandbagged!
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A 21 second gap to Max Anstie.. Herlings gapped Anstie (2nd place) by 1 minute and 6 seconds last weekend. By your logic that will mean...
A 21 second gap to Max Anstie.. Herlings gapped Anstie (2nd place) by 1 minute and 6 seconds last weekend. By your logic that will mean that Herlings would've gapped that field with 40 seconds. Sounds dumb huh
Yes i think Herlings could have gapped Nelson by 40 seconds in Latvia. No disrespect to Jessy but he finished 5th in the outdoors last year with a handful of podiums. Point is, the current MX2 field had nothing against guys who were not ama 250 championship contenders. Plus there were no MX2 guys at the front of the MXDN last year (that i can remember).

How much do these wins by Herlings mean is the question. It would be the same if Marc Marquez had spent another couple years in Moto2 instead of taking on Rossi and Lorenzo.
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I want Herlings to stay in MX2 another year. When he moves up next year and destroys the MXGP class like hes doing to MX2, what are we going to argue about?

Maybe he'll ride a 350 and then we can argue that it's really Carolli's old 540 big bore...
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Yes i think Herlings could have gapped Nelson by 40 seconds in Latvia. No disrespect to Jessy but he finished 5th in the outdoors last year...
Yes i think Herlings could have gapped Nelson by 40 seconds in Latvia. No disrespect to Jessy but he finished 5th in the outdoors last year with a handful of podiums. Point is, the current MX2 field had nothing against guys who were not ama 250 championship contenders. Plus there were no MX2 guys at the front of the MXDN last year (that i can remember).

How much do these wins by Herlings mean is the question. It would be the same if Marc Marquez had spent another couple years in Moto2 instead of taking on Rossi and Lorenzo.
No doubt Martin, Webb and Musquin are much better 250 riders than Gajser, Jonass, Anstie etc. that has clearly been proving at the mxon aswell. But they would have a very, very hard time dealing with Herlings. Not only does he have the raw speed and talent he also have that same willing to win force that Webb has. And yes imo Herlings should've moved to AMA or MXGP class after the 2013 season even in the 250 class it would've been more exciting.
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In hindsight, yes maybe he should have moved up in 13 but he was 18 years old in 2013. There are very few riders that would move up in that age.
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