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Cut the number of riders in the main event so that the actual contenders have a better chance of starting together.
Exactly what I was going to say!
Absolutely love the idea about bigger berms with real inside lines. That's one of the best things they could do at this point.
And of course, ditch the heats and semis, do practice and night show qualifying the day before\morning of. Night show goes to: 3 450 lap mains, 2 250 mains. 125 two stroke race and whatever else as intermission fillers.
I definetely like the chase idea but it doesn't address the much bigger problem, which is a night show of meaningless and usually boring races, ending with the 2 that actually count.
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My only reply would be that they're all still dealing with the same circumstances. But that point is tough to argue
If there's a tie in wins, go by most 2nd places and so on....
This will kill team tacics... Dungey will still win the title... I doubt if Dungey sits out any rounds with a lead because
of bonus money...
The guy that wins the most races deserves the title... In NASCAR Terry Labontie once won the title with out winning
a race...
Now that is boring racing...
If someone would ever win a supercross title without winning a race, that's a reverse chase, better known as a
Joke...
This could make the last few rounds not matter and it doesn't now anyway....
1. Use softer dirt that gets rutted and rough. Groom the tracks, just don't groom them perfectly.
2. Have a lot of 180 degree turns for max passing opportunities.
3. Have long whoops sections that can separate riders.
4. Offer more rhythm sections with multiple options. Maybe bigger sand sections, too.
5. Maybe outlaw holeshot devices to add some inconsistency and unpredictability to the starts.
6. Leave the points system alone.
I have the same goal as I think everyone does here and that is to watch the sport grow. That is why I started the 3 on 3 thread. I am not interested in the name calling and labeling anyone that is pro-Chase - I respect your opinions. Hell, you're probably right. I just think that changing the point system will not accomplish the larger goal of increasing interest in Supercross.
Good racing on the track will do that.
That said, as much as a change in format (or the small tweaks we do every year) it is about getting new fans interested a huge part of the chase concept it to retain current viewership – but retain it for the entirety of the season. As anyone involved with sales will tell you, "it is far cheaper to keep a client than get a new one". By keeping the points-race exciting through the end of the season it keeps more people already watching the events live (vs catching it on youtube the next day) watching, which is better for ratings, which is better for advertising, which is better for the sport... which is basically the format in which all other large broadcast sports follow.
I see what people are saying about "the dude with the most wins wins" but its clearly a formula that works for every other sport, is extremely entertaining for fans (which is what racing is – entertainment), and holds it's champions in extremely high regard.
If they decide to skip the chase I say you give more points away.
Points for fast qualifier, points for heat wins, points for passes...
Your adage that it's "far cheaper to keep a client than to get a new one" is right on the money. I am certainly no Supercross insider, I'm just a guy who used to race and still follows the sport and cares about its future. But I do have a good deal of business and marketing experience and I think in terms of what has worked for me in the past.
A casual fan who tunes in to watch Anaheim II in January is probably not going to even remember by April that the Supercross points are going to get re-set for a title Chase. So the Chase might have limited utility in attracting new veiwers, just during the latter part of the season. But a causal fan is definitely going to remember telling his friend, "that dude on the yellow bike just dive bombed past that dude on the orange bike in them bumps over there!"
That kind of excitement works all season. That guy is tuning in next week.
The only reason it's on tv now is because there's so many channels to choose from... If we went back to ABC, NBC
CBS & Fox it would be on once a year...
Damn near every kid in my neighborhood had a mini or motorcycle... Never again...
It seems that the pro-chase and no-chase camps are separated into two different corners. I could be wrong here, but, it seems the no-chase crowd is composed of largely fans of the sport that attend a few races each year, have their favorite rider, take their kids and family to the event, wander the pits, are more interested that the individual event attended is exciting than the ultimate championship. They also feel that the series champion should be the individual that did the best for the entirety of the series.
In the other corner we have a vocal minority clambering for the chase. This crowd sees the chase as bringing more entertainment and they are willing to sacrifice true results for the sake of entertainment. The interesting thing about the vocal members of this group is that they seem to be largely composed of industry insiders or those employed in the industry that have been attending a majority of events for years (many over twenty years). I can appreciated the desire of this crowd to be more entertained for the length of the series. However, often times doing the same thing for years interjects a level of boredom for no other reason than the repetitive nature of the action. For most, this is called a job.
In my humble opinion, before the chase idea is implemented (incidentally a format that has failed to rescue NASCAR), I think the goal of doing so should be clearly defined. If the goal is to grow the sport, then perhaps things such as making each individual event exciting, attendance cost, etc. should be focused on. If the goal is to change a sporting event into entertainment then we should just acknowledge that fact and move on. I fail to see the need for all the effort and expense by both the riders and teams for things such as personal trainers (Costing $80,000+ per year), specialized factory equipment, months and months of preparation for just an entertainment event.
I'll be going to Vegas again this year as I have for years in the past. I believe the championship will be decided before Vegas as it has often been in the past. This doesn't affect my desire to attend, it is just a very cool event.
My neighborhood was about the same as yours. Every high school in this area had about 50 boys who rode dirt bikes and probably 5 or 10 of us who raced. If I wanted to go riding, there were like 15 different places for me to pick. Granted, most of them weren't really legal, but nobody cared back then. Today, I can drive to those spots and every one of them is now a shopping center or a housing development.
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Sadly very true!
And even then being interested in dirtbikes and riding dirtbikes was the driving factor. Not watching pro racing!
As much as I hate that "that dude on the yellow bike just dive bombed past that dude on the orange bike in them bumps over there!" is what might drive new fans to the sport that shit is exciting, unlike the fist fight it was deemed a racing incident (loosely), and it happened at A1... I'm hopeful a chase format will give us a few A1's throughout the year as well as a few Vegas' toned races at the Start / End of each level of qualifying.
Instead of spending the end of the year starting to prep for outdoors like a majority of everyone does it provides a format that keeps everyone fighting to the end.
17 race series with one of them being a 125/250 2 stroke race and you only add up your best 16 race points. That way if someone whines and says they don't want to race the one off 2 stroke race that's fine. If the manufacturers with no 2 strokes whine that's fine too they can skip it or just dust off an older 2 stroke model. This will certainly mix it up a bit and I bet it would be one of the most popular races of the year.
Regarding cutting number of riders in the mains this IMHO is a horrible idea. There is no better practice than racing and the 11th through 22nd guys won't get any faster watching ten rider mains.
Besides do you even know the point structure? How many races are involved? Riders involved? Without all of that, that already ridiculous hypothetical is even more ridiculous
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