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This just keeps getting sillier and sillier.
I could be wrong on how I put it together, but by putting it into the format of what appears to be every other major sport, I think it could be pretty cool.
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We have MX, it's what it should be, but SX is broken as fuck. It's boring as hell, no matter how you want to frame its defence as some sort of anti-Berne rhetoric.
I give up, I can't deal with that kind of stupidity. Over and out, ground control to Major Tom.
The current system is just another format that favours dudes who can put in a heater and get the start. We have a car race series here that has mixed formats, the best guy still wins.
The Aussie SX championship had double headers, bracket racing, top-10 shoot outs, blah blah, when Chad, Jay and Hanny won, they were the best guys and beat Brayton, Peick, Moss and whoever else. No one questioned their legitimacy, it just added some excitement along the way, even when Reed was 15 seconds out front.
I'd rather see the fastest guys up front every race from the start.
Yeah 20 bikes starting at once is exciting for 10 seconds, but I'd gladly trade that for having all the fast guys in the front battling from the get go. The fastest riders should be rewarded.
Jesus some of you are so dramatic about the chase
Supercross has been predictable for years. Is the chase the answer? Idk but I'm glad they are at least trying somethings which most of you obviously wouldn't do.
Also, the whole point structure needs to be reconsidered. In NASCAR for instance, the car and set up are much more important. There is thus more variance in results for a driver. In SX, there is much less variance in results. As the same time, the point structures are much more top heavy in SX vs NASCAR. This means that one bad race, can destroy your chances, while in Nascar, it wont cost you as much, even once you are in the Chase.
As second class and poorly thought out as things are in this sport, they will probably adopt some Chase without considering the math of variance and point systems, then they will be shocked when the obvious champion gets screwed, and everyone is disgusted with the stupidity.
I would be curious to know how many teams have been "screwed" out of a Championship. I feel like it's almost always a battle to the end and the winner is pretty much always the true Champion.
All said I think people are failing to recognize that we basically see a mini-Chase format every weekend:
The best times in practice get move on. (Regular Season)
The winners from from the heats / semi's / lcqs move on. (Post Season)
The winners race in the mains (Championship)
Now how often do people like Dungey and Roczen get dethroned by someone that doesn't belong there?
The manufacturers won't pull out, the sponsors will get coverage, the TV people will have some controversy and excitement and maybe one rider will be pissed. Which happens every damn week for something or other. Who fucking cares. The world won't end. It really won't.
The longer the series, the more likely that a dominant rider will win, and that they'll build up an insurmountable points lead well before the end.
But do you shorten the series by number of times we show it on TV (number of races) or shorten it by condensing the points at a few different positions essentially shortening the series into stages?
I'm sorry, but it's just a gimmick that is being implemented at the expense of true competition. In my opinion, they would do better to entertain us by finding ways to make the racing more exciting each night. Resetting the points is the wrong solution.
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Just give the team with the best record the championship.
I know a lot of people on here don't follow NASCAR.
But I do, and when they announced the chase it was the same "the sky is falling/change is bad" bullshit.
It turned out to be a real success. The drivers race like hell to get into the chase, then it's a dog fight all the way to the end. Some of the best racing I've seen has been since they invented the chase.
What if it turns out to be a better system for SX and makes the season more exciting?
Hell, lets give it a try.
1) In team sports, the regular season has to be used for seeding of the playoff round. In the NFL, there are over 30 teams. But everybody only plays a 16 game schedule. You can't be a champion if you don't have to beat everybody else. So, what about the NBA, NHL and MLB? They play against everybody else in the league during the regular season, but at least they each require a playoff series to advance. It's not just one and done for their championship. It takes another 15 wins or so in the playoffs to win a championship.
2) In team sports, they can only play against one other team at a time. The only fair way to determine a champion is to set up a playoff tournament.
3) In team sports, non-playoff team cannot affect the outcome. You didn't see some hapless defensive tackle from the Detroit Lions chasing after Payton Manning in the Super Bowl because he was sitting at home watching in on TV. Here, we're going to have non-chase qualified riders getting in the way.
4) NASCAR sources tacitly admitted that they only really came up with their Chase as a way to keep people interested in watching after football season started - they didn't do it for competitive integrity.
Motocross (and Supercross, by extension,) is a sport of speed, skill and ENDURANCE. Not just enduring 20 laps, but enduring 20 laps on seventeen evenings. The mindset, prep, and yes, luck required to make it that far are part of the attraction, and don't tell me that the next few races will be boring just because there isn't a championship on the line anymore. I'll be watching, and so will most or all of you.
A chase format greatly reduces the importance of being a 100% badass and it will undo the importance of hard work, perseverance and dedication.
I get that you won't change your mind. No worries bro. Time will tell.
2. In baseball they play pretty much everyone. Then they basically erase the 162 games played and start over.
3. You can always find exceptions. Nothing is perfect
4. Hello! Isn't that why all sports have playoffs? To create excitement and drama? God knows SX could use some late in the series
Competitive integrity? So when the Patriots (who I hate) go 16-0 and don't win it all, thats ok. But if we crown a regular season champ in SX and a chase winner that's not fair? Or like last year when the Cubs and the Pirates beat the hell out of each other all season long and had some of the best records in baseball, then get paired up in the 1 and done wildcard game. It was exciting as hell but I felt bad for the Pirates. Just part of it.
No one has been able to answer, or doesn't want to answer my simple question.
What if it works?
If all you want to see is what we have, that's ok, but it's pretty ridiculous to suggest it upsetting a single-yet-in-theory-different-rider in any season, or that a potential ensuing controversy and fan discussion are reasons not to change.
75% of the time SX is a runaway. How is that good entertainment? How does that draw anyone, new or old in? Why not change when it's already a 45 second shit show and you have another series, that realistically appeals to the core fans only?
Even if every vitard hated it, but the controversy and talking points meant media mentions improved, sponsors are happy, the TV people see a reason to really pay for tv coverage, help the promoters etc, then that's all actually an improvement on 40 years of formulaic results, story lines and promotion strategies.
No one would argue Regal wasn't legitamate last year in AX, or that Faith isn't deserving this year.. and the Hayes pass was setup because of the tights point racing. It was a crazy event, got their best coverage etc. That's great!
People talk about wanting to grow the sport but there is never any real change. Bikes are more expensive than ever, people are more aware about the dangers of dirtbikes, and there is a saying about expecting different results yet doing the same things.
It might be shithouse, it might not work but then you try something else... it might not matter because we have a fucking podium robot on a KTM out there, but fuck, try something. If this is the catalyst to change, then go ahead, you can always change it back.
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