Aldon Baker's forearm tool

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3/13/2016 9:46am
So what about using it with a power-ball, suppose the use of the power-ball could be used to measure how good it works.

I'm going to order one because after injury im just getting back into it and i suffer from chronic arm pump, i hope it works.
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3/13/2016 9:55am
$65 shipping i changed my mind total cost is almost $300aud i wait another few races and see how it goes.
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3/13/2016 10:04am
I haven't experienced arm pump since I switched to Fasstco Flexxbars 4 years ago.
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3/13/2016 10:49am
SigPig wrote:
I haven't experienced arm pump since I switched to Fasstco Flexxbars 4 years ago.
I love them. Amazing how good they work for us old guys.

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3/13/2016 10:58am
Anyone remember the RAW method? Relax and win It was a cassette tape you'd listen to prior to the moto.
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TbonesPop wrote:
Gang, I bought one of the 4Arm gadgets last Saturday, got it in the mail Tuesday. Started using it Tuesday and Thursday this week already. I...
Gang, I bought one of the 4Arm gadgets last Saturday, got it in the mail Tuesday. Started using it Tuesday and Thursday this week already. I am going riding Saturday and Sunday this weekend and I'll use it each day before riding. Looking forward to posting my results.
TbonesPop wrote:
Ok, so here's an update in case anyone was curious. I rode MX today and put 2.3 hours of ride time in (I usually get to...
Ok, so here's an update in case anyone was curious.

I rode MX today and put 2.3 hours of ride time in (I usually get to ride 2-3 times a month). As noted in this thread, I have suffered badly from arm pump in the past. Usually I start pumping up between lap 1 and lap 2, regardless of the track (familiar or unfamiliar track). Today I rode a track I have probably ridden 50 times - but even in the past I have always gotten arm pump on it.

I bought the 4arm Strong device last weekend, and used it this week on Tuesday, Thursday, and then today right before I rode. I definitely saw a tremendous decrease in arm pump - I'd estimate at least 90% reduction. I'm willing to bet that if I continue to use this device more consistently and especially before riding, I won't get arm pump anymore. My hands were a little tight, but almost nothing in the forearms. In fact, my legs are completely toast - they are so sore (800 mg of Ibuprofen coming soon). In the past, I couldn't get enough track time without arm pump to work my legs hard enough for them to be sore. Well, today my ass and quads are spent - forearms feel great.

I'll be riding again tomorrow. But I just wanted to update and say this product definitely worked for me - SIGNIFICANT reduction in arm pump (almost completely eliminating it). If you suffer from arm pump, this device will almost assuredly help reduce it. I'm in no way associated with the company that makes this product - just trying to give a brutally honest review.
Right on Pop! Love hearing this! I ordered mine up this morning and can't wait to try it out. I won't start riding again for probably about 3 weeks from now ( depending on weather ) , so that will give me a couple weeks of using it before I get back on the bike. Your report just put a huge smile on my face and I hope to get something close to the results you have had. YeeHaaww! Bring on the 2016 riding season!
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3/13/2016 12:21pm
Anyone remember the RAW method? Relax and win It was a cassette tape you'd listen to prior to the moto.
Yes, that must be showing my age.
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3/13/2016 2:10pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2016 2:11pm
Anyone remember the RAW method? Relax and win It was a cassette tape you'd listen to prior to the moto.
I just sold mine to a vital member! No joke
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3/13/2016 3:34pm
Didn't mean to hijack that thing just reminded me of other things that come around
Huh?
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3/13/2016 4:20pm
Helder wrote:
$65 shipping i changed my mind total cost is almost $300aud i wait another few races and see how it goes.
Mate . . . I am putting an order together, want in ? PM sent
3/13/2016 4:28pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2016 4:30pm
Didn't mean to hijack that thing just reminded me of other things that come around
Uncle Tony wrote:
Huh?
Didn't mean to hijack forearm tool thread with the RAW method. Just reminded me of other things that show up in mx like RAW, boost bottles, plastic boots, nylon levers, snake pipes.
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It's a forum backinthesaddleagain you ask a question, I just sold my RAW method to a vital member, text me yesterday that he received it and is happy, my question is if you're getting arm pump in 4 or 5 lap motos, maybe you should look at your riding technique, just a question that's all please don't beat me up
3/13/2016 7:25pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Right on Pop! Love hearing this! I ordered mine up this morning and can't wait to try it out. I won't start riding again for probably...
Right on Pop! Love hearing this! I ordered mine up this morning and can't wait to try it out. I won't start riding again for probably about 3 weeks from now ( depending on weather ) , so that will give me a couple weeks of using it before I get back on the bike. Your report just put a huge smile on my face and I hope to get something close to the results you have had. YeeHaaww! Bring on the 2016 riding season!
Good deal Jeffro. I rode again today and again had good success minimizing arm pump. I'm definitely sold on the product. The owner of the device says everyone is different anatomically so results vary from person to person. But I definitely believe it will help you out for sure. I've lifted weights all my life and that has always impacted me for arm pump. Good luck with it.
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3/14/2016 6:35am
4Arm Strong isn't ART as ART can only be performed by a human, however I invented it based on ART. It shouldn't be far fetched to...
4Arm Strong isn't ART as ART can only be performed by a human, however I invented it based on ART. It shouldn't be far fetched to believe a device was developed to create similar tension and traction on tissue as the thumb. As an ART certified therapist I put this theory to the test and invented the 4Arm Strong. ART is the acronym for "Active Release Techniques" which is an advanced certification used to treat tissue (muscles, tendons, fascia.) "Active" means the client or patient is actively moving themselves through a series of stretches while the therapist is tractioning the tissue in the opposite direction. Before the 4Arm Strong I was treating riders for arm pump and grip strength using my hands (thumbs primarily) and my treatments were very successful. I treated Broc Tickle, Ken Roczen, Matt Goerke to name a few and all were very happy with the results. The only issue was my treatments worked best the day of, before they rode. So when the traveled to a race and I didn't go, the results weren't as good a few days later. That is why I invented the 4Arm Strong. Many of the top riders are using it and many more local pros and weekend warriors. I will never promise it will work for everyone, as no one product will, however I haven't heard one negative report back yet. The testimonies are anywhere to totally relieving arm pump to taking the edge off so it is tolerable. I highly encourage every rider to use it whether they get arm pump or not. The grip strength benefit is in of itself and very positive benefit for an MX racer. Here is a video interview with Aldon by TransworldMX and his one minute commercial.

http://motocross.transworld.net/videos/whats-4arm-strong-aldon-explains…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb5LzC9p4_k
Any validated evidence showing the proof of this other than "Broc uses it and it works" Nothing in a peer review or similar medical journal showing studies?

Gripping a squash ball will increase grip strength at the end of the day.
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3/14/2016 8:53am
4Arm Strong isn't ART as ART can only be performed by a human, however I invented it based on ART. It shouldn't be far fetched to...
4Arm Strong isn't ART as ART can only be performed by a human, however I invented it based on ART. It shouldn't be far fetched to believe a device was developed to create similar tension and traction on tissue as the thumb. As an ART certified therapist I put this theory to the test and invented the 4Arm Strong. ART is the acronym for "Active Release Techniques" which is an advanced certification used to treat tissue (muscles, tendons, fascia.) "Active" means the client or patient is actively moving themselves through a series of stretches while the therapist is tractioning the tissue in the opposite direction. Before the 4Arm Strong I was treating riders for arm pump and grip strength using my hands (thumbs primarily) and my treatments were very successful. I treated Broc Tickle, Ken Roczen, Matt Goerke to name a few and all were very happy with the results. The only issue was my treatments worked best the day of, before they rode. So when the traveled to a race and I didn't go, the results weren't as good a few days later. That is why I invented the 4Arm Strong. Many of the top riders are using it and many more local pros and weekend warriors. I will never promise it will work for everyone, as no one product will, however I haven't heard one negative report back yet. The testimonies are anywhere to totally relieving arm pump to taking the edge off so it is tolerable. I highly encourage every rider to use it whether they get arm pump or not. The grip strength benefit is in of itself and very positive benefit for an MX racer. Here is a video interview with Aldon by TransworldMX and his one minute commercial.

http://motocross.transworld.net/videos/whats-4arm-strong-aldon-explains…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb5LzC9p4_k
colonel wrote:
Any validated evidence showing the proof of this other than "Broc uses it and it works" Nothing in a peer review or similar medical journal showing...
Any validated evidence showing the proof of this other than "Broc uses it and it works" Nothing in a peer review or similar medical journal showing studies?

Gripping a squash ball will increase grip strength at the end of the day.
Quite a bit of validated evidence. I have personally tested numerous people's grip strength increases. All but one increased in my testing (although a few remained the same which still means they had an increase considering every second consecutive test resulted in weakness when not using the 4Arm Strong after the first test. The weakness is attributed to the energy required to pull the dynamometer.)

No peer reviewed studies. I don't plan on doing any for arm pump or grip strength as many people are getting the results I am advertising and it is being used by the best riders in the world. In fact I keep getting calls from the top riders worldwide asking for one. This is the hardest group of riders to convince as they are the biggest targets for the snake oil salesmen which have caused quite a bit of skepticism. I happen to have the best trainer and riders swearing by it and this confidence was built after months of testing, not just one day at the track.

I do plan on doing some medical studies on blood pressure reduction. There is evidence that the stronger one's grip the lower their blood pressure. Apparently grip strength is directly attributed to cardiovascular health. I don't know anything about this, or if 4Arm Strong will have a positive affect on BP. I have only read some articles and seen some reports about it. If I do any studies, eventually I will do some in this area.

As far as gripping a squash ball increasing grip strength, very true, however a terrible exercise of a MX racer. MX racers DO NOT want to load and activate the forearm muscles to achieve grip strength. This risks increasing the size of the forearm muscles, which can cause arm pump. There is only so much volume in the forearm compartment, increasing the size of the forearm muscles takes up that space. This is the biggest reason Aldon Baker likes the 4Arm Strong. He has always avoided loading the forearm muscles to prevent increasing size. When I told him he could increase grip strength without loading the forearm muscles, he couldn't start testing it fast enough.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Right on Pop! Love hearing this! I ordered mine up this morning and can't wait to try it out. I won't start riding again for probably...
Right on Pop! Love hearing this! I ordered mine up this morning and can't wait to try it out. I won't start riding again for probably about 3 weeks from now ( depending on weather ) , so that will give me a couple weeks of using it before I get back on the bike. Your report just put a huge smile on my face and I hope to get something close to the results you have had. YeeHaaww! Bring on the 2016 riding season!
TbonesPop wrote:
Good deal Jeffro. I rode again today and again had good success minimizing arm pump. I'm definitely sold on the product. The owner of the device...
Good deal Jeffro. I rode again today and again had good success minimizing arm pump. I'm definitely sold on the product. The owner of the device says everyone is different anatomically so results vary from person to person. But I definitely believe it will help you out for sure. I've lifted weights all my life and that has always impacted me for arm pump. Good luck with it.
Yeah me too Pop's. I try not to gain any bulk with my weight training and try to keep with high reps and low to moderate weights , but still seem to gain. I was a wrestler in school for 11yrs and still to this day do a lot of the routines I did back then , but a lot lighter weights because of my joints and so forth. I've always felt strong on the bike for a lap or two and then my arms explode. And even after 6-8 weeks of riding twice a week , they can still bother me really bad sometimes. Even if it helps with getting rid of 30% - 50% , it would seem like a miracle cure for me. Really anxious to get this thing and try it out. Glad it's working really good for you man! I've had ride days totally ruined from arm pump. Once they get to bad , I can never get them back the rest of the day. Even if a lot of the pump starts to go away , I've lost 70% of my grip strength and my arms just feel dead.
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Finally got to njmp to ride yesterday. All I can say is wow!!!! This thing works!!!! I was very skeptical if this thing was gonna work as advertised or do anything at all.... This is coming from someone who has struggled with arm pump since I started riding moto 20 years ago . I used it during the week and in my way to track. I did 5 20min Motos, and I have to say this thing has eliminated ad least 80% of my arm pump maybe more. I was able to ride the entire first moto with out getting pumped up, were first Motos are always the absolute worse for me and arm pump. So much so I even tried/did the new dragons back to single at njmp first moto. I'm usually so pumped up first moto I pull off after about 3 laps cause I can barely hold on. I was able to ride a pretty decent pace all 5 Motos, never having to back off at any point cause I was pumped up. It did how ever bring up a few things I never encountered. My shoulders, hands And legs started to get sore later in the day. Something that usually doesn't happen. I used more gas then I potentially ever have before in one day at the track. This device is probly the best money I have ever spent on riding moto ever!! As I sit here and type this on the couch, My body is more sore today then I can ever remember from riding.
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I got mine a couple days ago. I learned over the past day or so how to use it correctly. I've seen two instructional videos where there are 3 spots on each the upper and lower forearm muscles and a 4 spot for each area ( total of 6 to 8 spots per arm ) I just finished doing both arms and my forearms feel like freakin' jelly. Like super relieved. Going to use it every day , or close to that over the next couple weeks before I get to start riding. Hope that I have an experience like some of you other guys.
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mx621 wrote:
Finally got to njmp to ride yesterday. All I can say is wow!!!! This thing works!!!! I was very skeptical if this thing was gonna work...
Finally got to njmp to ride yesterday. All I can say is wow!!!! This thing works!!!! I was very skeptical if this thing was gonna work as advertised or do anything at all.... This is coming from someone who has struggled with arm pump since I started riding moto 20 years ago . I used it during the week and in my way to track. I did 5 20min Motos, and I have to say this thing has eliminated ad least 80% of my arm pump maybe more. I was able to ride the entire first moto with out getting pumped up, were first Motos are always the absolute worse for me and arm pump. So much so I even tried/did the new dragons back to single at njmp first moto. I'm usually so pumped up first moto I pull off after about 3 laps cause I can barely hold on. I was able to ride a pretty decent pace all 5 Motos, never having to back off at any point cause I was pumped up. It did how ever bring up a few things I never encountered. My shoulders, hands And legs started to get sore later in the day. Something that usually doesn't happen. I used more gas then I potentially ever have before in one day at the track. This device is probly the best money I have ever spent on riding moto ever!! As I sit here and type this on the couch, My body is more sore today then I can ever remember from riding.
That is just awesome! Glad it worked for you man!
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4/28/2016 7:09am
any discount codes for this 4 arm tool
4/28/2016 7:28am
Can I just use a C-clamp instead?
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I purchased one about 6 weeks ago and started using it three to four times a week.

The first few rides I didnt feel like it was working, my grip strength was a lot better but I didnt have much improvement in the way of actual help with arm pump. But I figured I purchased it and should keep trying it.

Over time, I started noticing little improvements. Which was a relief. I figured if I could get rid of 30-40% of my arm pump it would be well worth it. Again, I kept using it because it was helping with my grip strength and the flexibility of my wrists (which I have broken) so it was a plus in that regard.

Finally over the last two weeks I have noticed a big improvement. Last weekend I rode four two minute motos and got very little arm pump. Coming from someone who would pump up in three laps I was very happy! I tried not using it before I rode and could tell the difference. While the arm pump wasnt as bad as it was 6 weeks ago it was back and noticeable.

For anyone with doubts or concerns, I was skeptical as well. But I figured 150 bucks is less than going to a doctor for weeks on end. I would say for anyone that has one, use it daily, and keep using it. I am not sure I would have had a positive response if I only used it the morning of my riding. Use it before you ride and after each moto.
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4/28/2016 8:41am
I'm sure it works, but I still see a lot of alternatives that will work just as well and not have $160 hit.
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4/28/2016 8:50am
mjr119 wrote:
Can I just use a C-clamp instead?
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EEE299 wrote:
I'm sure it works, but I still see a lot of alternatives that will work just as well and not have $160 hit.
I made one to try it out t , took about 4 attempts before nailing it functionally mine works great . I would have bought one if it was $ 50 but I can't see spending 150 on one .
4/28/2016 9:28am
This reminds me of the big fake supplement Scamz videos on youtube right now.

People buying fancy labels and its all fake..even the people promoting the shit.
Anything fitness is a scam.
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4/28/2016 9:37am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2016 9:41am
EEE299 wrote:
I'm sure it works, but I still see a lot of alternatives that will work just as well and not have $160 hit.
MX558 wrote:
I made one to try it out t , took about 4 attempts before nailing it functionally mine works great . I would have bought one...
I made one to try it out t , took about 4 attempts before nailing it functionally mine works great . I would have bought one if it was $ 50 but I can't see spending 150 on one .
Maybe I'm not as informed as I should be...

If it really is based off ART, then there's no reason someone can't look up a few stretching based exercises with applied pressure and get the same results? No tool needed at all?

Edit: The fact that stretching specific ways for a specific problem should not surprise people. For a lot of mx riders who like to throw money at problems then obviously just buying and trying is the easy answer.
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4/28/2016 9:38am
This reminds me of the big fake supplement Scamz videos on youtube right now. People buying fancy labels and its all fake..even the people promoting the...
This reminds me of the big fake supplement Scamz videos on youtube right now.

People buying fancy labels and its all fake..even the people promoting the shit.
Anything fitness is a scam.
Pffttt.... I've been taking special supplements I got off the internet for several months and I'm sure the extra 3 inches will show up any day now!

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