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Everts is a multiple world champion, Stewart can't win his [b:2urkbne7]domestic[/b:2urkbne7] championship after 3 attempts. By the end of the outdoor season you can make that 4 attempts and after that you'll have a more experienced BT and a hungry RV competing with him, assuming Stewart is still there.
He was good on a 125 against the likes of Mike Brown, but that's it. Stewart is the most hyped rider in the history of the sport.[/quote:2urkbne7]
Please, just because the GPs travel to different countries doesn't mean they are any better than the AMA series. Also, are you talking abotu the same Mike Brown that won a round of your precious World MX Championships, but couldn't come close to doing that here?[/quote:2urkbne7]
I thought this was about Everts and Stewart, not GPs versus The World Championships...
For the record I love the US Nationals and RC is a legend in my opinion, totally deserving the number 1 spot. Now that RC is gone I'd say the 450's are too close to call and the US Nationals are stronger than the World MX in the 250F class (due to RV).
That doesn't have any impact on my opinion that Stewart has failed to live up to expectations. Whenever I see him I think of him in that Oakley advert a few years back saying something like (not word for word) "If anyone dares to challenge me then things are gonna get interesting". Well RC challenged him and won 4 out of 4 championships. Everts challenged him and won 2 out of 2 motos (yeah I know Stewart was taking one for the team!). It was interesting, but probably not in the way that Stewart was implying.
If he wins the next 5 outdoor titles in a row (or races the World Champs and wins until 2014/2015) then you could start to compare him to Everts. Right now, he's Pastrana without the personality or the freestyle skills.
Everts is a multiple world champion, Stewart can't win his [b:2sbqy8f8]domestic[/b:2sbqy8f8] championship after 3 attempts. By the end of the outdoor season you can make that 4 attempts and after that you'll have a more experienced BT and a hungry RV competing with him, assuming Stewart is still there.
He was good on a 125 against the likes of Mike Brown, but that's it. Stewart is the most hyped rider in the history of the sport.[/quote:2sbqy8f8]
Please, just because the GPs travel to different countries doesn't mean they are any better than the AMA series. Also, are you talking abotu the same Mike Brown that won a round of your precious World MX Championships, but couldn't come close to doing that here?[/quote:2sbqy8f8]
Mike Brown never won a AMA National? What planet did you come from?
Which round did he win in 2007? Did I miss a race? Was there a super secret race that nobody heard about that Brown won?
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Which round did he win in 2007? Did I miss a race? Was there a super secret race that nobody heard about that Brown won?[/quote:1zbc72lo]
You're dumber than I thought! Go back to Mototalk!
Stewart lost the Nationals to RC...not like he was out there all season and got beat by GL (who is a multi-time champ himself).
Nobody can touch him outside of RC and Everts to this date on any kind of track. Stewarts ONLY issue would be he takes himself out. But he STILL has SEVERAL championships to his credit and HAS beaten RC on an MX track (though not often).
And if you want to talk bad about Everts outside of the GPs...I think he proved himself at the six days. Everts was a badass and deserves the #2 spot behind RC...JBS #3 with Villo coming up fast.
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That's not fair
List James' wins and titles against Travis'
Josh Hansen should be rated above Everts. At least he nutted up and is racing the fastest riders in the world here in the U.S.
If albertyn, tortelli, langston, reed, pichon had not came here...Everts would be a nobody... ok he may have won a few races.
Stewart lost the Nationals to RC...not like he was out there all season and got beat by GL (who is a multi-time champ himself).
Nobody can touch him outside of RC and Everts to this date on any kind of track. Stewarts ONLY issue would be he takes himself out. But he STILL has SEVERAL championships to his credit and HAS beaten RC on an MX track (though not often).
And if you want to talk bad about Everts outside of the GPs...I think he proved himself at the six days. Everts was a badass and deserves the #2 spot behind RC...JBS #3 with Villo coming up fast.[/quote:1wq35t80]
The six-days proved Everts to be a very good rider, but if you want to diverge down that path then Peterhansel should probably be listed as the single greatest dirt bike rider of all time.......
That's not really relevant to the discussion of the greatest MX/SX rider, though.
Wins ant titles look great, but they are not THE determining factor. For a good example, look at Bradshaw and Dymond. Dymond has two more National titles than Damon, but I don't think any sober, rational person would believe he was truly a better, faster racer than Damon.
Sylvain Geboers never won an individual World title, but I still would think he'd be considered one of the greats.....
Stewart lost the Nationals to RC...not like he was out there all season and got beat by GL (who is a multi-time champ himself).
Nobody can touch him outside of RC and Everts to this date on any kind of track. Stewarts ONLY issue would be he takes himself out. But he STILL has SEVERAL championships to his credit and HAS beaten RC on an MX track (though not often).
And if you want to talk bad about Everts outside of the GPs...I think he proved himself at the six days. Everts was a badass and deserves the #2 spot behind RC...JBS #3 with Villo coming up fast.[/quote:120najuc]
The six-days proved Everts to be a very good rider, but if you want to diverge down that path then Peterhansel should probably be listed as the single greatest dirt bike rider of all time.......
That's not really relevant to the discussion of the greatest MX/SX rider, though.
Wins ant titles look great, but they are not THE determining factor. For a good example, look at Bradshaw and Dymond. Dymond has two more National titles than Damon, but I don't think any sober, rational person would believe he was truly a better, faster racer than Damon.
Sylvain Geboers never won an individual World title, but I still would think he'd be considered one of the greats.....[/quote:120najuc]
I wouldn't even begin to cross decades. This thread was about riders in the current decade. My post was not to broaden this beyond MX/SX as I know practically nothing about off road riding, but just to note that Everts has unreal talent and toughness and deserves recognition.
Which round did he win in 2007? Did I miss a race? Was there a super secret race that nobody heard about that Brown won?[/quote:2ngx202m]
You're dumber than I thought! Go back to Mototalk!
Your sarcasm radar must be broken. Brown won the second moto of the GP in Japan, taking 2nd overall. Do you thin khe could have done that in the AMA series last year?
Also, how about the "world" champion getting beat by two AMA guys at MXoN?
If you couldn't tell, people claiming that the GPs are better simply because they travel to more than one country gets me riled up. With that line of thinking, the players in the now defunct NFL Europa are better than the ones in the American NFL, right?
He raced the guys who were left over there, and beat them most of the time. Sure you can wonder what might have happened if so many of the top guys hadn't moved over to this side as they hit their prime, just as you can wonder what might have happened had he actually had to race someone like RC during his career.....
Either way, he's got a room full of trophys, and a place in the history books. He has the most World titles of anyone, but for some reason I still think that Decoster's five titles are as impressive as Evert's ten, but different eras......[/quote:3etkrd3o]
I read once where Roger Decoster said the same thing...that Everts wouldn't have as many championships if Pichon, Tortelli, Langston, Reed, and crew hadn't left the GP's for the AMA series. So I'm thinking that's a pretty accurate statement.
Take away even half of his title's and he isn't even number two on the list...Having said that, I'm not so sure Stewart should even be number three...
Which round did he win in 2007? Did I miss a race? Was there a super secret race that nobody heard about that Brown won?[/quote:2557vmtx]
You're dumber than I thought! Go back to Mototalk!
Your sarcasm radar must be broken. Brown won the second moto of the GP in Japan, taking 2nd overall. Do you thin khe could have done that in the AMA series last year?
Also, how about the "world" champion getting beat by two AMA guys at MXoN?
If you couldn't tell, people claiming that the GPs are better simply because they travel to more than one country gets me riled up. With that line of thinking, the players in the now defunct NFL Europa are better than the ones in the American NFL, right?[/quote:2557vmtx]
I'm with you there...Geographically America is larger than Europe, so with the exception of the Japan round, the AMA guys actually travel FURTHER than the GP guys. Plus they do two series (sx and mx) and race more races, so when it comes to which side of the pond is "harder" to ride, the AMA riders have it far tougher in my opinion.
-More races
-Have to change disciplines and bike setups halfway through the year
-Travel further
If there is one arguement that makes no sense, it's that the GP's are a better/tougher series because of travel.
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Which round did he win in 2007? Did I miss a race? Was there a super secret race that nobody heard about that Brown won?[/quote:2mcd0grj]
You're dumber than I thought! Go back to Mototalk!
Your sarcasm radar must be broken. Brown won the second moto of the GP in Japan, taking 2nd overall. Do you thin khe could have done that in the AMA series last year?
Also, how about the "world" champion getting beat by two AMA guys at MXoN?
If you couldn't tell, people claiming that the GPs are better simply because they travel to more than one country gets me riled up. With that line of thinking, the players in the now defunct NFL Europa are better than the ones in the American NFL, right?[/quote:2mcd0grj]
Oh gawd you are not even worth arguing with so I won't bother. But I must point out you have the most gay sig picture I have ever seen on the moto-bored's. Do you play video games?
Either get rid of it or go back to MT with you're BUTT-BUDDIES, you're not worthy to hang here.....
Josh Hansen should be rated above Everts. At least he nutted up and is racing the fastest riders in the world here in the U.S.
If albertyn, tortelli, langston, reed, pichon had not came here...Everts would be a nobody... ok he may have won a few races.[/quote:2cdnb62o]
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WTF!? Not one person?
Dammit, I hate it when I agree with mccread. James deserves mongo credit for being the only guy since 2001 who has really raced RC outdoors week in and week out; and James is probably the best 125 rider who ever breathed air; but James is no Everts. At least, not yet. Still, being third on the list and being the only active rider in the top 3 is pretty darned good.
Go out there and prove me wrong, James! I love to watch that guy ride.
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He raced the guys who were left over there, and beat them most of the time. Sure you can wonder what might have happened if so many of the top guys hadn't moved over to this side as they hit their prime, just as you can wonder what might have happened had he actually had to race someone like RC during his career.....
Either way, he's got a room full of trophys, and a place in the history books. He has the most World titles of anyone, but for some reason I still think that Decoster's five titles are as impressive as Evert's ten, but different eras......[/quote:2i83z87p]
But what you need to remember is, that Everts beat everyone of those guys at one point or another before they went to the US.
I don't think he could of beat RC, but JS, he can't even be considered in the same league as Everts.[/quote:2i83z87p]
Not every one. Langston for example came over right after a title.
And most of those guys left Europe before their real prime.
That's the only real question mark, during the time that Everts was winning, the GPs were losing talent like crazy. It wasn't the place to go to race the top guys like it was back in the 70s. I mean, Trampas Parker won titles there, Bob Moore won titles there, Mike Healey came damn close! I can't imagine any of those guys having the success they did over here.[/quote:2i83z87p]
Langston never rode big bikes in Europe.
I think Seb Tortelli, rode better when he was in Europe and when he came back from the US,he was still beaten by Everts, Pichon also
Oh gawd you are not even worth arguing with so I won't bother. But I must point out you have the most gay sig picture I have ever seen on the moto-bored's. Do you play video games?
Either get rid of it or go back to MT with you're BUTT-BUDDIES, you're not worthy to hang here.....[/quote:2nchq822]
So, you must be the King of MD? Was there an application that needed to be filled out to determine if I am "worthy" of posting here?
Get off your fucking high horse and try actually debating with someone who calls you out on your ridiculous statements rather than calling them names. Butt buddies? Really? Why not meaniehead or fartbreath?
gawy...pweeze.
you posted fullbore gay hardcore male sex photos on here before, and you were kicked off of here, remember? not sure if it was you and yer lover or what. but you did. care to deny? layoff leakypipes sig.
I've heard of a game called Dungeon's & Dragon's. I've never played a video game in my life I'm proud to say. Which one are you the King of? And what do you specialize in "SWORD FIGHTS"?
gawy...pweeze.
you posted fullbore gay hardcore male sex photos on here before, and you were kicked off of here, remember? not sure if it was you and yer lover or what. but you did. care to deny? layoff leakypipes sig.[/quote:1b3js1we]
STFU BOOOBY! So much for "burying the hatchet", mind you're own business for once!
I should give Glenn a call tonight haven't spoke to him in years.
1. RC
2. SE
3. JS
And it took 3 pages............
I've heard of a game called Dungeon's & Dragon's. I've never played a video game in my life I'm proud to say. Which one are you the King of? And what do you specialize in "SWORD FIGHTS"?
Wow, are you actually 50? Your grandkids must be proud! (Assuming you did the dis-service to humanity and procreated)
What the fuck do video games have to do with anything? Maybe you should have spent more time playing them rather than surfing the net for your favorite guy on guy action!
Quite an intellectual debater you are!
Yeah Bobby mind "you are" own business! LMAO!
Yeah, but he races C class
(Sorry, had to do it)
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