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3/20/2016 11:52pm
JB 19 wrote:
I'm not even sure what your argument is, but I think the point people are trying to make is that Canard can ride any way he...
I'm not even sure what your argument is, but I think the point people are trying to make is that Canard can ride any way he wants. You are implying that people are arguing that he shouldn't do this and shouldn't that or he is a pussy......they are simply saying that as long as he continues to be that aggressive where there is nearly no margin for error there is a good chance that the outcome will be similar to this.
My argument is that he is not responsible for every damn accident he is in, yet he always gets blamed for it....point in case about the Ryan Morias incident above
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If Canard didn't know he had a banner attached to his rear wheel why did he double instead of triple??? No excuse for not apologizing, Morais...
If Canard didn't know he had a banner attached to his rear wheel why did he double instead of triple??? No excuse for not apologizing, Morais is the better man, and emotionally I miss him.
oh boy.....he didnt know he had the banner in the wheel so he thought he could triple but the banner slowed his take off speed so only did the double....common sense isnt it????
3/20/2016 11:53pm
Wow, absolutely no class kiwi.. Seriously, are you blaming that on Morais (i mis spelled earlier)? Morais has more class in his pinkie then you have...
Wow, absolutely no class kiwi.. Seriously, are you blaming that on Morais (i mis spelled earlier)? Morais has more class in his pinkie then you have in your whole body (and mine as well). Morais never said shit about it...
Canard took a banner in his wheel, he knew it, he then doubled a jump everyone else was tripling out of pure stupidity and literary ended a very promising riders career.
Canard never apologized publicly because he is holier then thou, holier then Morais. Canard should have pulled off and got a track worker to take off the banner, instead he made a stupid move and ended someones career. Canard can do no wrong in his mind and in the mind of nut-huggers like you, good for him. Cool to see RD thank Morais on the podium for test riding for KTM, never heard a peep out of the Canard camp about Morais... Just racing i guess Canard could care less about anyone but himself it seems...
kiwifan wrote:
I never blamed Morias at all, I said Ryan hit Canard after Canard got banners in his wheel, racing incident, no ones fault, no apologies neccessary....sheesshhhhhhhh...
I never blamed Morias at all, I said Ryan hit Canard after Canard got banners in his wheel, racing incident, no ones fault, no apologies neccessary....sheesshhhhhhhh

If the shoe had been on the other foot you would be blaming Canard for following Ryan too closely or being on the same line, no win situation

Its not a racing incident, its pure gal and stupidity on Canards part putting everyone else in danger to prove himself. Canard is amazing on a bike but not a championship contender, he needs to accept his place on the totem pole and stop endangering other peoples lives.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/20/128761/s1200_CANARD.jpg[/img] I would call that wheel to wheel



I would call that wheel to wheel
The reason they look wheel to wheel is because Bagget shut off for the jump and Canard didn't. Bagget moved over and it pissed Trey off so he went all loose cannon and left the throttle on.

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3/20/2016 11:54pm Edited Date/Time 3/20/2016 11:59pm
If Canard didn't know he had a banner attached to his rear wheel why did he double instead of triple??? No excuse for not apologizing, Morais...
If Canard didn't know he had a banner attached to his rear wheel why did he double instead of triple??? No excuse for not apologizing, Morais is the better man, and emotionally I miss him.
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oh boy.....he didnt know he had the banner in the wheel so he thought he could triple but the banner slowed his take off speed so...
oh boy.....he didnt know he had the banner in the wheel so he thought he could triple but the banner slowed his take off speed so only did the double....common sense isnt it????
That's not how it works and you know it, stop with the false statements. That is pure BS
Both RD and RV have had insistence's were they caught a banner, you know what they did? They pulled off the track... Canard has too big a set for his own good, and it ended up costing another rider his career. Canard never apologized, that is were I lost all respect for the kid. He continues to think he can do no wrong, I know his excuse and feel bad for him but its time to let it go, he should stop feeling like he is the victim. Kids would kill to have track in their back yard like him, kids would kill too never have to go to school and just ride dirt bikes all day. He should count his blessings instead of using past hurt to justify his reckless nature on the track.
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That's not how it works and you know it, stop with the false statements. That is pure BS Both RD and RV have had insistence's were...
That's not how it works and you know it, stop with the false statements. That is pure BS
Both RD and RV have had insistence's were they caught a banner, you know what they did? They pulled off the track... Canard has too big a set for his own good, and it ended up costing another rider his career. Canard never apologized, that is were I lost all respect for the kid. He continues to think he can do no wrong, I know his excuse and feel bad for him but its time to let it go, he should stop feeling like he is the victim. Kids would kill to have track in their back yard like him, kids would kill too never have to go to school and just ride dirt bikes all day. He should count his blessings instead of using past hurt to justify his reckless nature on the track.


3/21/2016 12:00am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2016 12:01am
That's not how it works and you know it, stop with the false statements. That is pure BS Both RD and RV have had insistence's were...
That's not how it works and you know it, stop with the false statements. That is pure BS
Both RD and RV have had insistence's were they caught a banner, you know what they did? They pulled off the track... Canard has too big a set for his own good, and it ended up costing another rider his career. Canard never apologized, that is were I lost all respect for the kid. He continues to think he can do no wrong, I know his excuse and feel bad for him but its time to let it go, he should stop feeling like he is the victim. Kids would kill to have track in their back yard like him, kids would kill too never have to go to school and just ride dirt bikes all day. He should count his blessings instead of using past hurt to justify his reckless nature on the track.
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3/21/2016 12:03am
JB 19 wrote:
The reason they look wheel to wheel is because Bagget shut off for the jump and Canard didn't. Bagget moved over and it pissed Trey off...
The reason they look wheel to wheel is because Bagget shut off for the jump and Canard didn't. Bagget moved over and it pissed Trey off so he went all loose cannon and left the throttle on.
What it looked like to me was he got all loose cannon with the throttle so he could get next to Baggett so Baggett couldn't move over. Mission accomplished. What he didn't count on was Baggett to keep moving over even when he was next to him.
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guy b late changing your diaper ?
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3/21/2016 1:26am
In breaking news, people continue to argue over Trey Canard and his propensity to crash.
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3/21/2016 1:35am
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Kiwi, he would have made the pass if Bagget doesn't close the door, but I think the point more is that Trey was going for a...
Kiwi, he would have made the pass if Bagget doesn't close the door, but I think the point more is that Trey was going for a comparatively low percentage and aggressive move... It's not the first time.

If he does that move on the inside then there is no issue... As is Blake is certainly not required to let Trey go around the outside.

Put it this way, he's literally at the mercy of a guy he's trying to pass and as usual went 110% in close proximity to another rider... which for example, is something you rarely if ever see Dungey do... It's not bashing, it's fact.
kiwifan wrote:
doesnt the likes of Anderson make those types of passes all the time?... I dont see countless threads on him like there is for Canard Dungey...
doesnt the likes of Anderson make those types of passes all the time?... I dont see countless threads on him like there is for Canard

Dungey is the best tactical rider out there so unfair to compare them...RD is daylights different to any other rider
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the pass if the opportunity shuts down, but sometimes (not always) Trey is in a place where the move relies on the other person doing what Trey needs them to do twice last night he was at the mercy of the other rider it worked once (heat race) second time not so lucky..

That said I really like Trey and hope he can fix that little glitch that is unfortunately costing him results
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3/21/2016 1:37am
Fun to watch but has a bad habit to make bad decisions out there for sure
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3/21/2016 1:46am
jemcee wrote:
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the...
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the pass if the opportunity shuts down, but sometimes (not always) Trey is in a place where the move relies on the other person doing what Trey needs them to do twice last night he was at the mercy of the other rider it worked once (heat race) second time not so lucky..

That said I really like Trey and hope he can fix that little glitch that is unfortunately costing him results
Yarp. His A1 pass on Dungey was a lot like Anderson's have been and he got out of that just fine.

If he does this same move to Bagget on the inside... well he's fine.

If he does his Dallas attempt on (I think Bogle?) on a corner with a rut/berm, he's probably ok...

If he doesn't follow quite so close at the last Monster Cup he probably doesn't end up in the tower.

If he doesn't follow quite so close over that wall last year, Davi doesn't loop out...

If he doesn't jump over that table at A2 in traffic when the leaders didn't he's probably fine.

It's not bashing, but it's not hard to see a pattern, whether you want to attribute blame due to intent or not is up to the individual, but Trey does definitely put himself in precarious positions in a precarious sport.... It was RC who said you make your own luck in MX.
3/21/2016 1:48am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2016 2:02am
If we were able to lift the perspective of that screenshot/pic upwards I think we'd see that Blake is in fact in the main line and ordinarily as far right as you would go. Trey's line goes no-where. Instead what he's attempting to do, is almost ride round Blake from the outside in. But despite having the momentum he doesn't have the time or the room.

Around 11:30...



As early as 11:37 he needs to recognise that isn't going to happen on this small straight, and instead set-up a pass elsewhere. Of course easy to say behind a PC screen and with the benefit of hindsight etc, but there it is.
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If I remember correctly, Canard said he didn't know he had a banner stuck in his wheel. But I don't think it was Morais's fault, just...
If I remember correctly, Canard said he didn't know he had a banner stuck in his wheel. But I don't think it was Morais's fault, just a bad deal all the way around. He was a bad dude for sure
Ranch Life,

Do you live near Neil Young?
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3/21/2016 2:56am
Crush and Motocross83 are spot on.

Trey could have avoided the whole incident but instead he does the "Trey Canard" and just stuffs it in there and goes down. Yet again a bad decision by Trey resulting in a crash.
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3/21/2016 5:46am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2016 5:54am
jemcee wrote:
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the...
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the pass if the opportunity shuts down, but sometimes (not always) Trey is in a place where the move relies on the other person doing what Trey needs them to do twice last night he was at the mercy of the other rider it worked once (heat race) second time not so lucky..

That said I really like Trey and hope he can fix that little glitch that is unfortunately costing him results
Crush wrote:
Yarp. His A1 pass on Dungey was a lot like Anderson's have been and he got out of that just fine. If he does this same...
Yarp. His A1 pass on Dungey was a lot like Anderson's have been and he got out of that just fine.

If he does this same move to Bagget on the inside... well he's fine.

If he does his Dallas attempt on (I think Bogle?) on a corner with a rut/berm, he's probably ok...

If he doesn't follow quite so close at the last Monster Cup he probably doesn't end up in the tower.

If he doesn't follow quite so close over that wall last year, Davi doesn't loop out...

If he doesn't jump over that table at A2 in traffic when the leaders didn't he's probably fine.

It's not bashing, but it's not hard to see a pattern, whether you want to attribute blame due to intent or not is up to the individual, but Trey does definitely put himself in precarious positions in a precarious sport.... It was RC who said you make your own luck in MX.
Funny enough, about a month ago momma c said where did that luck go when rc raced cars?? I thought it to be very true.

To an extent you can certainly make better judgment, but at the speed these guys go it can also be hard at times.

Dumpsterluv sounds like you need to move on. I see that as a racing incident, nothing more nothing less. I don't think trey owed morais any apology.

And if we wanna get into it trey is/was probably 3 times more likely to ever win a big bike title than morais.

I see the issue saturday as canard fault, only because he didn't let up. Baggett definitely rode him wide, so canard should have had the common sense to see he was heading for a tough block. Should have gotten in behind bagget then passed him in the whoops.

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3/21/2016 6:29am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2016 6:30am
Crush has absolutely nailed all the points with his multiple posts in this thread. I could not agree more with everything he has stated.
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3/21/2016 7:06am
jemcee wrote:
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the...
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the pass if the opportunity shuts down, but sometimes (not always) Trey is in a place where the move relies on the other person doing what Trey needs them to do twice last night he was at the mercy of the other rider it worked once (heat race) second time not so lucky..

That said I really like Trey and hope he can fix that little glitch that is unfortunately costing him results
Crush wrote:
Yarp. His A1 pass on Dungey was a lot like Anderson's have been and he got out of that just fine. If he does this same...
Yarp. His A1 pass on Dungey was a lot like Anderson's have been and he got out of that just fine.

If he does this same move to Bagget on the inside... well he's fine.

If he does his Dallas attempt on (I think Bogle?) on a corner with a rut/berm, he's probably ok...

If he doesn't follow quite so close at the last Monster Cup he probably doesn't end up in the tower.

If he doesn't follow quite so close over that wall last year, Davi doesn't loop out...

If he doesn't jump over that table at A2 in traffic when the leaders didn't he's probably fine.

It's not bashing, but it's not hard to see a pattern, whether you want to attribute blame due to intent or not is up to the individual, but Trey does definitely put himself in precarious positions in a precarious sport.... It was RC who said you make your own luck in MX.
I would say that what RC said is true...but unless you get a start, then sometimes the other 20 guys on the track with you can "make your luck" for you.

I'm a Canard fan, and I don't think Canard is a dangerous rider, but he tends to make some poor choices when he's close to other riders. He tends to ride offensively rather than defensively, and that's ok when you have some room...not so good when the guys are within inches of you.
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Ranch Life,

Do you live near Neil Young?
Not sure what you mean, so I'm gonna keep playing tuff til I figure it out
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jemcee wrote:
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the...
My thoughts on the comparison of Anderson and Canard, when Anderson passes aggressively he puts himself in a position where he can pull out of the pass if the opportunity shuts down, but sometimes (not always) Trey is in a place where the move relies on the other person doing what Trey needs them to do twice last night he was at the mercy of the other rider it worked once (heat race) second time not so lucky..

That said I really like Trey and hope he can fix that little glitch that is unfortunately costing him results
Crush wrote:
Yarp. His A1 pass on Dungey was a lot like Anderson's have been and he got out of that just fine. If he does this same...
Yarp. His A1 pass on Dungey was a lot like Anderson's have been and he got out of that just fine.

If he does this same move to Bagget on the inside... well he's fine.

If he does his Dallas attempt on (I think Bogle?) on a corner with a rut/berm, he's probably ok...

If he doesn't follow quite so close at the last Monster Cup he probably doesn't end up in the tower.

If he doesn't follow quite so close over that wall last year, Davi doesn't loop out...

If he doesn't jump over that table at A2 in traffic when the leaders didn't he's probably fine.

It's not bashing, but it's not hard to see a pattern, whether you want to attribute blame due to intent or not is up to the individual, but Trey does definitely put himself in precarious positions in a precarious sport.... It was RC who said you make your own luck in MX.
davistld01 wrote:
I would say that what RC said is true...but unless you get a start, then sometimes the other 20 guys on the track with you can...
I would say that what RC said is true...but unless you get a start, then sometimes the other 20 guys on the track with you can "make your luck" for you.

I'm a Canard fan, and I don't think Canard is a dangerous rider, but he tends to make some poor choices when he's close to other riders. He tends to ride offensively rather than defensively, and that's ok when you have some room...not so good when the guys are within inches of you.
You always make your own luck, Canard is the reason that canard is in the back of the pack. My opinion is Canard just isn't a great "racer" I believe he's very talented and very fast but doesn't possess the race craft needed to be a great. Just mho
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There's a saying about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results..... I think Trey is a phenomenal rider but damn dude, you have to think your way past your front fender. Racing is about decisions and mental acuity during intense situations. Driving to the outside on "anyone" in that situation leaves you at their will, and since this is professional racing they will 99 out of a 100 eliminate the threat just as Baggett did. That was so simple it was scary.I would have put him down on principle alone and then ride off shaking my head at how stupid he was for even trying it..lol I mean what and where was the reward for the risk going to come into play and pan out? The next corner was a left and he was still on the outside with no real drive or momentum to carry around Blake.. It was a lose now or lose in the next corner anyway... He makes terrible decisions and the absolute worst times and usually takes others with him. period. I like the guy and have tons of respect for his speed and his drive to come back after hitting the ground so damn many times...But damn dude.......just , damn,
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3/21/2016 11:25am
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He just refuses to back down. I think he is that way in life. Very sure of himself and intentions and tries the best he can...
He just refuses to back down. I think he is that way in life. Very sure of himself and intentions and tries the best he can. However, that leads to crashes. He shoulda let bagget have it.
That's what I saw. Blake made a good pass on Trey at an unusual spot on the track, and #41 should have conceded the position. Instead, he tried to fight back, but was in no position to do so. I've always been a fan of #41, but a long time ago I realized he makes a lot of his own luck.
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3/21/2016 2:24pm
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what I saw was a rider going for a pass that WAS on, but BB4 closed the door and therefore the result was what happened....call me...
what I saw was a rider going for a pass that WAS on, but BB4 closed the door and therefore the result was what happened....call me out all you damn well like but blaming Canard is a cheap shot and typical of the anti-Canard brigade that totally ignore the facts for their own benefit

p.s. do you lift bro?
Canard is one of my favorite riders "bro", I'm not being anti canard. I just think he (canard) needs to be a bit more tactical when...
Canard is one of my favorite riders "bro", I'm not being anti canard. I just think he (canard) needs to be a bit more tactical when passing riders he is obviously faster then, that's all I was trying to say.
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so lets see, by your logic he should never attempt an inside pass (when its clearly on) because the rider MIGHT square him up to prevent...
so lets see, by your logic he should never attempt an inside pass (when its clearly on) because the rider MIGHT square him up to prevent the pass and therefore make contact...have I summed it up correctly?
getting a little overly-passionate about this one, bro

lay off CrossFit for a couple days, you'll be back to normal in no time
3/21/2016 2:33pm
Warrior mentality but he has to pick his battles better.
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3/21/2016 3:29pm
4 pages in and all I've picked up from this thread is that DumpsterLuv is a major douchebag.........Huh
3/21/2016 4:13pm
Treys fault. Baggett jumped from that inside and completely passed him. Trey refused to accept that and tried jammin himself in between Blake and the tuffblocks. He got antsy just like vegas
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3/21/2016 4:40pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2016 6:32pm
peelout wrote:
getting a little overly-passionate about this one, bro

lay off CrossFit for a couple days, you'll be back to normal in no time
yeah I guess you could argue other Vitards with a different opinion are the same....but anyway

*shrugs*
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3/21/2016 5:02pm
I saw it from behind (my seats were facing across the start straightI don't think Baggett meant to move over that far, lots of guys were fishtailing a little after landing and it appeared he ended up going further to the right than he wanted. He clearly has his front wheel turned to the left when he is next to Canard in the above picture.
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Celine wrote:
Ranch Life,

Do you live near Neil Young?
Ranch Life wrote:
Not sure what you mean, so I'm gonna keep playing tuff til I figure it out
Redding is where Neil Young has a ranch.

And since you are Ranch Life in Redding, I thought you might have some good Neil Young stories.

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