AER48 issues?

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keith101 wrote:
oh my, hurt ego again?
ML512 wrote:
Quite often, you do come across as a dick.
keith101 wrote:
As do you my friend. As do you.

Was my original comment so inflammatory?
Yes it was. I think the consensus here is if your not a dick your at best a jerk.
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Moto3731 3/9/2016 12:44pm
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So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the rough but it's a trade off with air pressure for getting the fork to settle into turns and still be good in the fast chatter. It's absolutely awful on slap down landings it sends a jolt through your entire body.. Needless to say I'm buying another set of cone valves. I just can't understand why wp can't produce a great stock fork.
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Bruce372 3/9/2016 12:52pm
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Moto3731 wrote:
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the...
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the rough but it's a trade off with air pressure for getting the fork to settle into turns and still be good in the fast chatter. It's absolutely awful on slap down landings it sends a jolt through your entire body.. Needless to say I'm buying another set of cone valves. I just can't understand why wp can't produce a great stock fork.
Probably because they know guys are lining up to pay another $3000 for their cone valves?
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3150 to be precise for the 2015's. The new ones like this are a tad more..

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From where!?
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Moto3731 3/9/2016 1:03pm
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Moto3731 wrote:
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the...
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the rough but it's a trade off with air pressure for getting the fork to settle into turns and still be good in the fast chatter. It's absolutely awful on slap down landings it sends a jolt through your entire body.. Needless to say I'm buying another set of cone valves. I just can't understand why wp can't produce a great stock fork.
Bruce372 wrote:
Probably because they know guys are lining up to pay another $3000 for their cone valves?
Probably right!
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Glad I ordered a set of CVs. Now if they will just come off back order!
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Bruce372 3/9/2016 5:54pm
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Moto3731 wrote:
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the...
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the rough but it's a trade off with air pressure for getting the fork to settle into turns and still be good in the fast chatter. It's absolutely awful on slap down landings it sends a jolt through your entire body.. Needless to say I'm buying another set of cone valves. I just can't understand why wp can't produce a great stock fork.
So how many times have you ridden these forks?
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B-EVANS 3/10/2016 2:24pm
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Mxa has a new video up of the 250fe. The forks look really high in the clamps. Wonder what that measurement is? Anybody have any idea?
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B-EVANS wrote:
Mxa has a new video up of the 250fe. The forks look really high in the clamps. Wonder what that measurement is? Anybody have any idea?
Mxa has a new video up of the 250fe. The forks look really high in the clamps. Wonder what that measurement is? Anybody have any idea?
I saw that also and i dropped my jaw. Why would anyone want to run them that high?
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Moto3731 3/10/2016 2:34pm
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Moto3731 wrote:
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the...
So I had some time on the fork this weekend and my overall impression is this... The fork is ok over fast breaking bumps and the rough but it's a trade off with air pressure for getting the fork to settle into turns and still be good in the fast chatter. It's absolutely awful on slap down landings it sends a jolt through your entire body.. Needless to say I'm buying another set of cone valves. I just can't understand why wp can't produce a great stock fork.
Bruce372 wrote:
So how many times have you ridden these forks?
I got like 3 hours of rough sticktly track time with them. To tell you the honest truth there just not good enough. They ride super high in the stroke and if you release air to compensate the stability in fast sections go out the window. And the first time you have to land hard off anything be prepared!!!! I had cone valves last year so that's kinda what I'm used too. None the less I bought another pair and am picking them up in the morning. I just can't justify throwing money out the window at these forks at least with the cone valves you get nearly all your money back when you sell them. I'm sure they can be made great but I'm not willing to spend a grand that I'll never see again for just mediocre forks. But hey I understand this options not for everyone but in my experience it's the best one.
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Moto3731 3/10/2016 2:37pm
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For the record I'm top three b speed but I went riding this week with 5 guys who all were really good a riders that also had the new fe and everyone's opinions were identical.
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Moto3731 wrote:
I got like 3 hours of rough sticktly track time with them. To tell you the honest truth there just not good enough. They ride super...
I got like 3 hours of rough sticktly track time with them. To tell you the honest truth there just not good enough. They ride super high in the stroke and if you release air to compensate the stability in fast sections go out the window. And the first time you have to land hard off anything be prepared!!!! I had cone valves last year so that's kinda what I'm used too. None the less I bought another pair and am picking them up in the morning. I just can't justify throwing money out the window at these forks at least with the cone valves you get nearly all your money back when you sell them. I'm sure they can be made great but I'm not willing to spend a grand that I'll never see again for just mediocre forks. But hey I understand this options not for everyone but in my experience it's the best one.
Did you get the new CVs?
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Bruce372 3/10/2016 2:46pm
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3 hours, lol. Most forks aren't even broken in properly before 10 hours.

Plus, you really have to get the shock dialled before concluding the forks are not good.

Anyway, congrats to you and good for you for keeping the economy going.
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Moto3731 3/10/2016 2:52pm
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The forks just have that feel to them that's not going away with breaking in I also rode a bike with a lot of hours with them and they felt the same. I'm sure a lot of people will be happy there just not for me that's all. I think when you have had the best everything else just doesn't cut it. Don't get me wrong they are good forks and much better than last year just a long way from the feel that the cone valve offers
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Moto3731 wrote:
I got like 3 hours of rough sticktly track time with them. To tell you the honest truth there just not good enough. They ride super...
I got like 3 hours of rough sticktly track time with them. To tell you the honest truth there just not good enough. They ride super high in the stroke and if you release air to compensate the stability in fast sections go out the window. And the first time you have to land hard off anything be prepared!!!! I had cone valves last year so that's kinda what I'm used too. None the less I bought another pair and am picking them up in the morning. I just can't justify throwing money out the window at these forks at least with the cone valves you get nearly all your money back when you sell them. I'm sure they can be made great but I'm not willing to spend a grand that I'll never see again for just mediocre forks. But hey I understand this options not for everyone but in my experience it's the best one.
Interesting... Wonder if there is some testing to be done with them–Keefer's feedback sounded a little more hopeful.
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Moto3731 wrote:
I got like 3 hours of rough sticktly track time with them. To tell you the honest truth there just not good enough. They ride super...
I got like 3 hours of rough sticktly track time with them. To tell you the honest truth there just not good enough. They ride super high in the stroke and if you release air to compensate the stability in fast sections go out the window. And the first time you have to land hard off anything be prepared!!!! I had cone valves last year so that's kinda what I'm used too. None the less I bought another pair and am picking them up in the morning. I just can't justify throwing money out the window at these forks at least with the cone valves you get nearly all your money back when you sell them. I'm sure they can be made great but I'm not willing to spend a grand that I'll never see again for just mediocre forks. But hey I understand this options not for everyone but in my experience it's the best one.
MX678 wrote:
Did you get the new CVs?
The WP Air forks are "better" then the full Ohlins forks if you ask me, i have ran both.

Set SAG to 108/38 (make sure you have the spring to get those values). If you run SAG of below 108, you need to switch rear springs to softer ones. 108-110/41-55 is NOT an ok scenario.

Running stock springs (oversprung) and setting SAG to 105 makes any fork feel like shit.

With the right rear springs, you drop the pressure in fork until you feel the bike turns. Could go as low as 10-10.3 bar on a 350/450.
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B-EVANS wrote:
Mxa has a new video up of the 250fe. The forks look really high in the clamps. Wonder what that measurement is? Anybody have any idea?
Mxa has a new video up of the 250fe. The forks look really high in the clamps. Wonder what that measurement is? Anybody have any idea?
Motofinne wrote:
I saw that also and i dropped my jaw. Why would anyone want to run them that high?
In a review that I read, the AER forks are longer than the 4CS forks and therefore must be slid up in the clamps 12mm. That settles down the front and puts the geometry back where it was initially designed. I haven't ridden the bike yet to validate (April delivery) but this is what I read.

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Moto3731 3/11/2016 4:35pm
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Problems solved
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Moto3731 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/11/127468/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Problems solved

Problems solved
Cool man, congrats, they are gonna be sweet.
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2016.5 KTM 450 SXF FE 2nd time riding bike! (0.7) hours on meter and this happened yesterday morning to my AER 48 air forks. Was cold ouside Air temp was around low to mid 40 i guess? Kinda pissed off!! Any technical info/knowledge on this problem would be very much appreciated.!!


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MB4 wrote:
2016.5 KTM 450 SXF FE 2nd time riding bike! (0.7) hours on meter and this happened yesterday morning to my AER 48 air forks. Was cold...
2016.5 KTM 450 SXF FE 2nd time riding bike! (0.7) hours on meter and this happened yesterday morning to my AER 48 air forks. Was cold ouside Air temp was around low to mid 40 i guess? Kinda pissed off!! Any technical info/knowledge on this problem would be very much appreciated.!!


That sucks...What pressure did you have???
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MB4 wrote:
2016.5 KTM 450 SXF FE 2nd time riding bike! (0.7) hours on meter and this happened yesterday morning to my AER 48 air forks. Was cold...
2016.5 KTM 450 SXF FE 2nd time riding bike! (0.7) hours on meter and this happened yesterday morning to my AER 48 air forks. Was cold ouside Air temp was around low to mid 40 i guess? Kinda pissed off!! Any technical info/knowledge on this problem would be very much appreciated.!!


There is a thread on thumpertalk about how to extend them back out. Something about pumping the pressure really high and pushing the wheel down at same time til the fully extend and equalize. Search AER fork over there. Got 8 hrs on mine and no problems so far fortunately
fullysicmate 8/9/2019 2:16am
8/9/2019 2:16am
Just had this happen to my 17 today, does anyone know the fix? Do I just need that top seal pictured in the link?

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