Trading RMZ...which 250cc 2 stroke bike

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3/9/2016 5:02pm
RM 250 all the way.
The only down side is getting parts and keeping it fresh.
I hear you about the YZ250 handling (I own a 16 YZ250). It can be an aquired taste, especially if you've ridden the old steel framed YZ or an RM250. Its a tall bike, especially if you're under 5'10". The big plus side to the YZ is parts availability as it's still in production, and that after market companies are still producing new stuff for them every year..and of course the SSS suspension is very good.
If you can get to grips with the YZ, it's by far the smartest choice imho.
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I love my CR, but I'd take an RM in a heartbeat if I had to choose a different ride.
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Rm250 all that way as long as she is in good condition. Just got an 04 rm250 last year which is my first suzuki amazing bike. The handling and power has me grinning every corner. Rode an 06 kx250 before was not a fan of the ergos. Wide/stable/tall feeling for me I'm 5' 8''. The RM was a better fit for my size and the tracks I ride (tighter more jump infested). Never rode a 450 yet.
3/9/2016 7:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/9/2016 7:31pm
Here are some pics of both bikes. I decided to pass on the KX450, since I'm really looking at a trade+cash deal.















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3/9/2016 8:15pm
Go grab that RM and haul ass outta there before the guy changes his mind. You will absolutely love it once ya dial it in for your ability/style.
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Yep, RM all day. As soon as you scuff up that KX's pretty plastics its just a old turd. Lol
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Cygnus wrote:
Go grab that RM and haul ass outta there before the guy changes his mind. You will absolutely love it once ya dial it in for...
Go grab that RM and haul ass outta there before the guy changes his mind. You will absolutely love it once ya dial it in for your ability/style.
hondas are considered inferior to yamahas and suzukis on my neck of the woods. you should be able to trade the rm for a cr if you wanted.
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3/9/2016 8:55pm
I'll sell you my '03 Cr250 with a Tom Morgan Racing 265cc engine.
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3/10/2016 3:57am
I would get the kx250 for sure. Get a set of graphics without monster logos and you will love it.

3/10/2016 9:39am
I did find a 2003 CR250R locally that's pretty much bone stock for $2300. It just seems a little high to me. However I have a bunch of spare CR parts already...frame, gas tank, plastics, front wheel, Linkage, swingarm, rear shock, etc.
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Kawasaki all the way much better engine
3/10/2016 10:38am
I did find a 2003 CR250R locally that's pretty much bone stock for $2300. It just seems a little high to me. However I have a...
I did find a 2003 CR250R locally that's pretty much bone stock for $2300. It just seems a little high to me. However I have a bunch of spare CR parts already...frame, gas tank, plastics, front wheel, Linkage, swingarm, rear shock, etc.
That's what mine was originally listed for, got the guy down to $1900... Have any pics?
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If it were me, I'd want a hell of a lot more cash than that.. a 2014 450 is worth two of those smokers.
3/10/2016 11:08am
kevin204 wrote:
If it were me, I'd want a hell of a lot more cash than that.. a 2014 450 is worth two of those smokers.
I'm debating on just selling for the cash. In my area I'm lucky to get $4200 for it.
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I have a 2013 RMZ 450 and a 2006 RM 250, I can count on one hand the number of times I've ridden the 450 since...
I have a 2013 RMZ 450 and a 2006 RM 250, I can count on one hand the number of times I've ridden the 450 since buying the 250 a little over a year ago. I've never had so much fun on a bike and I really think it brought a lot of the love I had for riding back.
How does the RMZ450 and the RM250 compare? I know the 2014 and 2013 bikes are pretty much the exact same bike. What kind of riding...
How does the RMZ450 and the RM250 compare? I know the 2014 and 2013 bikes are pretty much the exact same bike.

What kind of riding do you do?
I pretty much only ride moto, trails maybe once or twice a year. They really don't compare at all the RM handles better then the RMZ but that's to be expected. I also prefer the forks on my RM I just cannot make that SSF stuff work on the RMZ. I thought that the RM would be more unstable the the RMZ but really I feel like it actually behaves more predictably then the RMZ but that could be a by product from the forks. Sorry I don't have more feedback but they really are completely different bikes.
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Here are some pics of both bikes. I decided to pass on the KX450, since I'm really looking at a trade+cash deal. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/09/127240/s1200_IMG_44211.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/09/127241/s1200_IMG_49861.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/09/127242/s1200_IMG_02201.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/03/09/127243/s1200_IMG_19671.jpg[/img]...
Here are some pics of both bikes. I decided to pass on the KX450, since I'm really looking at a trade+cash deal.















You take the KX, pass me the info on the RM and I'll take that! Wink
3/11/2016 9:38am
I ride a Honda CR250R 2006 and love it, like some others have said, the motor needs some work but the bike is bulletproof, it handles very well and has good suspension. Honda late model smokers are also highly sought after and will hold value. With that said if I was getting a 250cc smoker today I would go with the newest YZ you could find. My son wanted to move up from a 250 4 stroke and that is what I picked up for him, a 2013 YZ250. The YZ has a great motor, unbeatable suspension and good handling. The deciding factor for me is that it is still in production and there are tons of aftermarket parts available. The KTM is also very nice and also still in production but expect to pay a lot more for one plus the suspension isnt as good as the YZ. The Yamaha is just such a solid bike and does everything well.

3/12/2016 7:03am
So between keeping the RMZ450 or trading fr the RM250, what would you guys do?

As for type of riding, I do track days here and there as well as woods riding. I'd actually like to get into some hare scrambles.
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3/12/2016 9:25am
its simple 2 stroke all the way
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3/12/2016 10:39am
if its for fun 2 stroke.
3/13/2016 8:30pm
I'm kinda leaning towards the 2 stroke. They are definitely a blast!

How are parts availability and reliability on the 06 RM 250?
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I'm kinda leaning towards the 2 stroke. They are definitely a blast!

How are parts availability and reliability on the 06 RM 250?
I've got a 2006 rm250 and a 2015 rmz450. No trouble at all finding parts, I get Oem stuff off bto all the time for it. As far as the bike in general, it's amazing. I love my 450 but it's probably 10:1 ride time in favor of the 06. Unless it's a super hard packed or super fast track, I'm usually faster on my smoker. And it's always more fun to ride, it took me a while to finally pull the trigger and get a second bike but it's the best $2500 I've ever spent.
3/14/2016 9:05am
I'm kinda leaning towards the 2 stroke. They are definitely a blast!

How are parts availability and reliability on the 06 RM 250?
I've got a 2006 rm250 and a 2015 rmz450. No trouble at all finding parts, I get Oem stuff off bto all the time for it...
I've got a 2006 rm250 and a 2015 rmz450. No trouble at all finding parts, I get Oem stuff off bto all the time for it. As far as the bike in general, it's amazing. I love my 450 but it's probably 10:1 ride time in favor of the 06. Unless it's a super hard packed or super fast track, I'm usually faster on my smoker. And it's always more fun to ride, it took me a while to finally pull the trigger and get a second bike but it's the best $2500 I've ever spent.
Thanks for your opinion! I definitely found it helpful! Are there anything to watch out for with these bikes? How are the transmissions? I know the clutch is a weak area on them. Which I can upgrade with a hinson basket.
3/15/2016 7:38pm
You will love getting on the 250 smoker, the fun factor is through the roof. The RM has no problem with parts availability other than some of the newest aftermarket stuff and the RM is a fast and fun bike.
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3/15/2016 7:50pm
I've been researching this for a long time,.the RM, especially 06+, is the king.

It is unreal how pricey these 2 strokes are getting,..I sold my 2004 RM250 last year for $1,400, now I'd be lucky to get a 99 KX from some drunk teenager in a trailer park for that.

Good luck.

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3/16/2016 6:40pm Edited Date/Time 3/16/2016 6:48pm
Thanks for your opinion! I definitely found it helpful! Are there anything to watch out for with these bikes? How are the transmissions? I know the...
Thanks for your opinion! I definitely found it helpful! Are there anything to watch out for with these bikes? How are the transmissions? I know the clutch is a weak area on them. Which I can upgrade with a hinson basket.
OEM fasteners are a little soft not a huge issue though. Only other thing is the front brake might not be strong enough for some people.

Can't remember the guys name but he posted some good RM info about running more sag and it still corners good. He did mention replacing the circlips in the transmission 2nd/3rd gear IIRC. I'll try to find the post I'm pretty buzzed now.


2strokerider - "I've had rm 250s every year for since 2000!!! great bikes

- best year is 2006 so if you can find a real low hours 2006 then get it! the 06 has slightly more bottom end power than the later models (i think the carb intake boot is a different angle and slightly different porting to the later models) any of them 04 onwards you cant go wrong with though. currently have a couple of 2010 (k8) ones in the garage. Selling one of them for a new 450 though! 

they come jetted very rich on the main as stock (as most bikes do nowadays) - as far as pipes etc stock is very good and probably the best set up for most people. I run mine with either the stock or fmf fatty front pipe and pro circuit r 304 silence, v-force reed block. Boyeson rad valves work really well too. Instead of the stock gearing (13-50) we go to 13-51. 

alot of slower riders actually want to tame the power down from stock and go with reed spacers/ flywheel weights, i found that these tend to deaden the power too much (make it feel flat) and preferred the stock set up with minor mods like light porting work/ pipes etc. 

- 3rd and 4th drive gear and 5th driven tend to wear out on the dogs about every 60 hours running time (on average)Theres a shim washer and circlip on the back of 3rd drive gear thats a little too thin and allows 3rd to 'float' a little too much. We add a thicker shim washer there, and also a more heavy duty circlip- the stock circlip can concave (or pop off all together) if you stomp on the gear lever too hard, allowing the gear to move where it shouldnt. This will make your gearbox last alot longer! 
Also, when you check your clutch you might want to check the gear selector pin as we have had these work loose after a few hours- we normally remove them and loctite them when we get the bikes, same with the screws on the selector barrel. 

They really are great bikes, handle like nothing else! we tend to set ours with the sag set so the back end is real low- i feel that this helps in the corners."

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