Is Offroad Gaining on MX?

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I switched from mx to offroad in 2011 and have never looked back. The bang for buck of racing offroad is much better. The local mx scene in my state is practically dead. Offroad is still going, however.
2/10/2016 7:27am
Tim507 wrote:
Sprint Enduro.... Short course, fast moving... camera placement has a chance, family orientation - this might have a chance properly promoted
We are having our first sprint enduro during bike week this year. We moved the famous Alligator Enduro to this past weekend to accommodate the change...
We are having our first sprint enduro during bike week this year. We moved the famous Alligator Enduro to this past weekend to accommodate the change. I hope we have a good showing as I think this may be a popular option for the future.
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I am at the crossroads with MX... first love when comes to dirt bikes, but most tracks are not what I like to run these days, admittedly, practice days has kept me running moto. I would love to pursue off road, stuff like understanding the program, fuels stops, etc. Shit like the fast guys wanting to pass in the woods is sorta intimidating.
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I am at the crossroads with MX... first love when comes to dirt bikes, but most tracks are not what I like to run these days...
I am at the crossroads with MX... first love when comes to dirt bikes, but most tracks are not what I like to run these days, admittedly, practice days has kept me running moto. I would love to pursue off road, stuff like understanding the program, fuels stops, etc. Shit like the fast guys wanting to pass in the woods is sorta intimidating.
I was quite intimidated my first HS as well, but I found that the people are more than willing to help NEWBIES more so than I experienced in MX.

We have a LeMans start in FTR HS where we run to the bike, start and go... Many times a rider doesn't have someone to hold his/her bike but there is always someone willing to help out. That is also the case for fuel stops (if you need one). Someone is always willing to help out, they feel good about it and enjoy it!

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We are having our first sprint enduro during bike week this year. We moved the famous Alligator Enduro to this past weekend to accommodate the change...
We are having our first sprint enduro during bike week this year. We moved the famous Alligator Enduro to this past weekend to accommodate the change. I hope we have a good showing as I think this may be a popular option for the future.
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Stickers wrote:
2/10/2016 8:21am Edited Date/Time 2/10/2016 8:22am
Plain and simple, people are getting tired of shelling out $50 for 10 minutes of practice, 10 laps of racing for 20 total minutes and having it take from 8am to 5pm.
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2/10/2016 8:22am
Thanks EF...I will definitely give it try this year, always looks like so much fun.
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2/10/2016 8:26am
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I'm almost embarrassed to say i hardly know anything about it or how the run. I keep an eye on the top guys but really know...
I'm almost embarrassed to say i hardly know anything about it or how the run. I keep an eye on the top guys but really know nothing about the actual competition or how it's ran. Maybe i should look into it a little more.
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Jeffro, hit up the Team Tortoise off road series, it starts up May 15th at Riverdale. You will love it, part mx, part, vet track, part...
Jeffro, hit up the Team Tortoise off road series, it starts up May 15th at Riverdale. You will love it, part mx, part, vet track, part grass track, part single track. My advice would be to try the short course first (its 75 min I believe). The Team Tortoise series runs twice at Riverdale, once at Washougal, once at Straddleline and once at Bellingham. There are mx tracks involved in all of them. Its a GREAT time, you will love it.
I will for sure. Maybe bring along a couple buddies and see what this offroad stuff is all about.Thanks for the info man.
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2/10/2016 8:41am
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I will for sure. Maybe bring along a couple buddies and see what this offroad stuff is all about.Thanks for the info man.
Jeffro, you also need to get some friends together and go do one of the 6 hour team races in goldendale. When Josh Gray, BQ and myself did the team race it was the most fun I think I've ever had on a dirtbike. I'm sure you've seen the videos from it but just in case you haven't,

https://youtu.be/SQOP84hpgQs
https://youtu.be/f0CjnlLy15Q
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2/10/2016 8:44am
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I will for sure. Maybe bring along a couple buddies and see what this offroad stuff is all about.Thanks for the info man.
Look me up if you make out to Riverdale. I will be riding the long course in Vet B, riding a KX450 #510. It would be cool to meet another Vital member.
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My favorite part of off road riding is the people...don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good people in MX, but in MX you also get more douche bags who are out there for the image and play up the "tough guy" attitude (in between their two lap "motos", where they'll jump every jump, but skip the whoop section, and can hardly make it around a corner).

I think there are less douche bags in off road because its harder (and by that I mean there is no riding two laps and sitting on the tail gate for an hour, you're out there for three hours) and, for the most part, you're out in the middle of nowhere, with nobody around, so there is nobody to impress...so you aren't out there for the image or to look cool...you're out there because you love it. And there is nothing better than to spend time with other people who love it just as much as you do.

I was once this guy, and I'm embarrassed I once thought this way...but I do get a chuckle out of the MX racers who shows up at a desert race thinking the only reason dudes race off road is because they aren't good enough to race MX, and thinking he's going to win the overall (yes, that was me, when I lined up for my first desert race~hangs head in shame~), only to get absolutely smoked (that was-and still is, lol-me also).
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2/10/2016 9:23am
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My favorite part of off road riding is the people...don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good people in MX, but in MX you...
My favorite part of off road riding is the people...don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good people in MX, but in MX you also get more douche bags who are out there for the image and play up the "tough guy" attitude (in between their two lap "motos", where they'll jump every jump, but skip the whoop section, and can hardly make it around a corner).

I think there are less douche bags in off road because its harder (and by that I mean there is no riding two laps and sitting on the tail gate for an hour, you're out there for three hours) and, for the most part, you're out in the middle of nowhere, with nobody around, so there is nobody to impress...so you aren't out there for the image or to look cool...you're out there because you love it. And there is nothing better than to spend time with other people who love it just as much as you do.

I was once this guy, and I'm embarrassed I once thought this way...but I do get a chuckle out of the MX racers who shows up at a desert race thinking the only reason dudes race off road is because they aren't good enough to race MX, and thinking he's going to win the overall (yes, that was me, when I lined up for my first desert race~hangs head in shame~), only to get absolutely smoked (that was-and still is, lol-me also).
Skip the Whoop section -or- complain to the race organizers and get them to remove them...
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2/10/2016 9:27am
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My favorite part of off road riding is the people...don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good people in MX, but in MX you...
My favorite part of off road riding is the people...don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good people in MX, but in MX you also get more douche bags who are out there for the image and play up the "tough guy" attitude (in between their two lap "motos", where they'll jump every jump, but skip the whoop section, and can hardly make it around a corner).

I think there are less douche bags in off road because its harder (and by that I mean there is no riding two laps and sitting on the tail gate for an hour, you're out there for three hours) and, for the most part, you're out in the middle of nowhere, with nobody around, so there is nobody to impress...so you aren't out there for the image or to look cool...you're out there because you love it. And there is nothing better than to spend time with other people who love it just as much as you do.

I was once this guy, and I'm embarrassed I once thought this way...but I do get a chuckle out of the MX racers who shows up at a desert race thinking the only reason dudes race off road is because they aren't good enough to race MX, and thinking he's going to win the overall (yes, that was me, when I lined up for my first desert race~hangs head in shame~), only to get absolutely smoked (that was-and still is, lol-me also).
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Skip the Whoop section -or- complain to the race organizers and get them to remove them...
Sit on the tailgate for an hour? How about 3 or 4 hours? Lol You guys never been to englishtown
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2/10/2016 9:40am Edited Date/Time 2/10/2016 9:43am
I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or surpass the level of audience MX has. It will always be a niche within motocross.

Your typical offroad events aren't very spectator friendly events. Even with the race day coverage we do have like the GNCC shows that air on TV or race day edits don't do a great job of capturing the action. Watch the GNCC tv show and most of the action happens in commentary and hardly ever in onscreen action. That's even with a pretty large camera crew and they miss a lot of exciting parts of raceday. It doesn't make for exciting stuff when you're not a part of it or weren't there. Smaller scale series coverage typically just a bunch of random shots and not an actual representation of the race itself.

From my understanding and I believe Weege mentioned on a review podcast, much of the audience that shows up at the races are riders, their families, and friends. Except a few exceptions where locals come out in droves there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest out there from the general audience in the US. You can see this in a lot of US offroad coverage vs international events. Outside of riders, families, and friends no one seems to really care.

Series like the Full Gas Sprint Enduro and Jdays I think are making huge gains in growing the offroad audience as those series are figuring out how to have fun offroad race while being spectator friendly. Both of these series are some of my personal favs to attend.

But like it's been mentioned in this thread already offroad is just awesome and full of some of the coolest folks youll meet on a dirt bike.

All of this is just my .02 and that .02 is strictly based on time spent at East coast based events.
2/10/2016 9:56am
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I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or...
I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or surpass the level of audience MX has. It will always be a niche within motocross.

Your typical offroad events aren't very spectator friendly events. Even with the race day coverage we do have like the GNCC shows that air on TV or race day edits don't do a great job of capturing the action. Watch the GNCC tv show and most of the action happens in commentary and hardly ever in onscreen action. That's even with a pretty large camera crew and they miss a lot of exciting parts of raceday. It doesn't make for exciting stuff when you're not a part of it or weren't there. Smaller scale series coverage typically just a bunch of random shots and not an actual representation of the race itself.

From my understanding and I believe Weege mentioned on a review podcast, much of the audience that shows up at the races are riders, their families, and friends. Except a few exceptions where locals come out in droves there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest out there from the general audience in the US. You can see this in a lot of US offroad coverage vs international events. Outside of riders, families, and friends no one seems to really care.

Series like the Full Gas Sprint Enduro and Jdays I think are making huge gains in growing the offroad audience as those series are figuring out how to have fun offroad race while being spectator friendly. Both of these series are some of my personal favs to attend.

But like it's been mentioned in this thread already offroad is just awesome and full of some of the coolest folks youll meet on a dirt bike.

All of this is just my .02 and that .02 is strictly based on time spent at East coast based events.
Not entirely correct about GNCC broadcasts...you ever watch the racerTV webcast? It's the race start to finish. I believe they got over 3 million viewers worldwide last year, and had over 18,000 competitors.
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Not entirely correct about GNCC broadcasts...you ever watch the racerTV webcast? It's the race start to finish. I believe they got over 3 million viewers worldwide...
Not entirely correct about GNCC broadcasts...you ever watch the racerTV webcast? It's the race start to finish. I believe they got over 3 million viewers worldwide last year, and had over 18,000 competitors.
I have, you see the pro guys like 3 times for 10 seconds every 30 minutes or so. It's no fun to watch that webcast at all (to me).
2/10/2016 10:09am
I am at the crossroads with MX... first love when comes to dirt bikes, but most tracks are not what I like to run these days...
I am at the crossroads with MX... first love when comes to dirt bikes, but most tracks are not what I like to run these days, admittedly, practice days has kept me running moto. I would love to pursue off road, stuff like understanding the program, fuels stops, etc. Shit like the fast guys wanting to pass in the woods is sorta intimidating.
Most Hare Scrambles and GNCC start by class. Dead engine flag start, 30 - 60 seconds apart. You can pit anywhere along the course and stop as needed for goggles, gas, drink ( MX tank prob. about an hour ) Alot of times you can back right up to the track so your crew can hang out and help you pit.

Most everyone wears a camelback. I use water only or 50/50 diluted sports drink. Straight will get really sweet.

As for passing/bein passed, you can tell how fast someone comes up on you. Either hold your line in the open or drift wide in the woods. you can give a point to whichever side you want to let them by. I usually give a guy one chance, and if he don;t take it then he's gotta work for it.

Pros will blast right by ya, just don't make sudden moves or you'll do like my buddy as he took Steve Hatch down while leading a GNCC. Doh!
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2/10/2016 10:15am Edited Date/Time 2/10/2016 10:17am
redslush wrote:
I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or...
I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or surpass the level of audience MX has. It will always be a niche within motocross.

Your typical offroad events aren't very spectator friendly events. Even with the race day coverage we do have like the GNCC shows that air on TV or race day edits don't do a great job of capturing the action. Watch the GNCC tv show and most of the action happens in commentary and hardly ever in onscreen action. That's even with a pretty large camera crew and they miss a lot of exciting parts of raceday. It doesn't make for exciting stuff when you're not a part of it or weren't there. Smaller scale series coverage typically just a bunch of random shots and not an actual representation of the race itself.

From my understanding and I believe Weege mentioned on a review podcast, much of the audience that shows up at the races are riders, their families, and friends. Except a few exceptions where locals come out in droves there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest out there from the general audience in the US. You can see this in a lot of US offroad coverage vs international events. Outside of riders, families, and friends no one seems to really care.

Series like the Full Gas Sprint Enduro and Jdays I think are making huge gains in growing the offroad audience as those series are figuring out how to have fun offroad race while being spectator friendly. Both of these series are some of my personal favs to attend.

But like it's been mentioned in this thread already offroad is just awesome and full of some of the coolest folks youll meet on a dirt bike.

All of this is just my .02 and that .02 is strictly based on time spent at East coast based events.
Not entirely correct about GNCC broadcasts...you ever watch the racerTV webcast? It's the race start to finish. I believe they got over 3 million viewers worldwide...
Not entirely correct about GNCC broadcasts...you ever watch the racerTV webcast? It's the race start to finish. I believe they got over 3 million viewers worldwide last year, and had over 18,000 competitors.
Yeah, I watch the livecast during the season. My comments were not at all knocking the webcasts or show. Simply, the nature of covering a race of that type you can't see a lot of stuff that goes on during the race. Even with the web cast you're missing a lot of passing, crashes, etc that lead to the excitement/drama and what pulls people into watching racing. Whether on tv or on the web cast much of the exciting race action doesn't take place in front of a camera due to how large of track there is too cover. Not a dig at Racer Prod just my insight to covering any offroad race.
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2/10/2016 10:17am
redslush wrote:
I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or...
I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or surpass the level of audience MX has. It will always be a niche within motocross.

Your typical offroad events aren't very spectator friendly events. Even with the race day coverage we do have like the GNCC shows that air on TV or race day edits don't do a great job of capturing the action. Watch the GNCC tv show and most of the action happens in commentary and hardly ever in onscreen action. That's even with a pretty large camera crew and they miss a lot of exciting parts of raceday. It doesn't make for exciting stuff when you're not a part of it or weren't there. Smaller scale series coverage typically just a bunch of random shots and not an actual representation of the race itself.

From my understanding and I believe Weege mentioned on a review podcast, much of the audience that shows up at the races are riders, their families, and friends. Except a few exceptions where locals come out in droves there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest out there from the general audience in the US. You can see this in a lot of US offroad coverage vs international events. Outside of riders, families, and friends no one seems to really care.

Series like the Full Gas Sprint Enduro and Jdays I think are making huge gains in growing the offroad audience as those series are figuring out how to have fun offroad race while being spectator friendly. Both of these series are some of my personal favs to attend.

But like it's been mentioned in this thread already offroad is just awesome and full of some of the coolest folks youll meet on a dirt bike.

All of this is just my .02 and that .02 is strictly based on time spent at East coast based events.
Do you think with the new addition of drones to the market that this will increase the coverage? I know it would be impossible in some woods sections but it would be cool to see the film crew in GNCC and other individuals like you start working with drones to capture shots that no one has seen.

I also believe that action camera's (GoPro's, action cam, 360 fly) should be used more to follow riders like they did back in the day. Of course keeping up with the pros wouldn't last too long, but it's not out of the question task to keep the same pace of them for 30 seconds for a local or retired pro.

The sport of off-road will never grow if the action can't be viewed by spectators. The closest thing to seeing the action in person, is to watch the action on camera/tv.
2/10/2016 10:18am
I'll be giving GP's a try this year with OMRA. Definitely seems like a better money to riding ratio than MX.
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2/10/2016 10:25am
Thanks Lapper, great info! Another poster hit right in for me too, shit ton of money for minimal laps and an all day affair. Then factor in trax with too much health risks, choice is being made for me I think
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2/10/2016 10:34am
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I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or...
I'm a huge fan of offroad and one of my primary focuses behind the camera. But I don't think offroad will ever gain, catch up, or surpass the level of audience MX has. It will always be a niche within motocross.

Your typical offroad events aren't very spectator friendly events. Even with the race day coverage we do have like the GNCC shows that air on TV or race day edits don't do a great job of capturing the action. Watch the GNCC tv show and most of the action happens in commentary and hardly ever in onscreen action. That's even with a pretty large camera crew and they miss a lot of exciting parts of raceday. It doesn't make for exciting stuff when you're not a part of it or weren't there. Smaller scale series coverage typically just a bunch of random shots and not an actual representation of the race itself.

From my understanding and I believe Weege mentioned on a review podcast, much of the audience that shows up at the races are riders, their families, and friends. Except a few exceptions where locals come out in droves there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest out there from the general audience in the US. You can see this in a lot of US offroad coverage vs international events. Outside of riders, families, and friends no one seems to really care.

Series like the Full Gas Sprint Enduro and Jdays I think are making huge gains in growing the offroad audience as those series are figuring out how to have fun offroad race while being spectator friendly. Both of these series are some of my personal favs to attend.

But like it's been mentioned in this thread already offroad is just awesome and full of some of the coolest folks youll meet on a dirt bike.

All of this is just my .02 and that .02 is strictly based on time spent at East coast based events.
Do you think with the new addition of drones to the market that this will increase the coverage? I know it would be impossible in some...
Do you think with the new addition of drones to the market that this will increase the coverage? I know it would be impossible in some woods sections but it would be cool to see the film crew in GNCC and other individuals like you start working with drones to capture shots that no one has seen.

I also believe that action camera's (GoPro's, action cam, 360 fly) should be used more to follow riders like they did back in the day. Of course keeping up with the pros wouldn't last too long, but it's not out of the question task to keep the same pace of them for 30 seconds for a local or retired pro.

The sport of off-road will never grow if the action can't be viewed by spectators. The closest thing to seeing the action in person, is to watch the action on camera/tv.
I don't think drones will make an impact on offroad coverage like it has elsewhere. You can catch them on the same sections where the crowds usually are and it would be difficult to get a drone in the trees during a race. It's hard enough when you're doing a one on one deal haha.

I think it would be rad if they required guys to wear a POV camera and used that for the live stream. I also think it would be awesome if they had large screens setup at the races showing their live web cast instead standing around the live timing at the finish line. There's definitely a lot of things that could be done to help increase the spectator friendliness of offroad. But there's not a lot of money out there to make that happen from my understanding.
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2/10/2016 10:39am
Tim507 wrote:
Sprint Enduro.... Short course, fast moving... camera placement has a chance, family orientation - this might have a chance properly promoted
This format could help especially with all of the land closure issues. The problem is in trying to get the older guys to accept changes in format. D37's enduro series is now so bad that there isn't a single race this year. There's a lot of blame to go around. One of the clubs wanted to run a sprint enduro at Glen Helen but the Prairie Dogs MC has exclusive rights to the trails there and said no. Others cling to the time keeper format but won't put on races because they don't get enough entries for that format anymore. It's a real bummer for guys who want to ride tight technical offroad races.
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2/10/2016 10:41am
The one thing that will hold back off road is that its not a spectator sport. Some forms of off road racing are better than others, but for the most part, its very very difficult to follow the entire race....it would take something like having two or three Helicopters hovering over all the top riders the entire race, with ground cameras as often as they can to break up the coverage to really make it work for TV.

That being said...I love it just how it is. I have nothing to gain from a huge TV audience, or thousands of spectators...so I'd prefer it small anyway.
2/10/2016 10:45am
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The one thing that will hold back off road is that its not a spectator sport. Some forms of off road racing are better than others...
The one thing that will hold back off road is that its not a spectator sport. Some forms of off road racing are better than others, but for the most part, its very very difficult to follow the entire race....it would take something like having two or three Helicopters hovering over all the top riders the entire race, with ground cameras as often as they can to break up the coverage to really make it work for TV.

That being said...I love it just how it is. I have nothing to gain from a huge TV audience, or thousands of spectators...so I'd prefer it small anyway.
Offroad is and isn't a spectator sport... Just depends on if you like hiking and getting dirty Laughing
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2/10/2016 10:59am
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The one thing that will hold back off road is that its not a spectator sport. Some forms of off road racing are better than others...
The one thing that will hold back off road is that its not a spectator sport. Some forms of off road racing are better than others, but for the most part, its very very difficult to follow the entire race....it would take something like having two or three Helicopters hovering over all the top riders the entire race, with ground cameras as often as they can to break up the coverage to really make it work for TV.

That being said...I love it just how it is. I have nothing to gain from a huge TV audience, or thousands of spectators...so I'd prefer it small anyway.
Offroad is and isn't a spectator sport... Just depends on if you like hiking and getting dirty Laughing
LOL....good point.
2/10/2016 11:01am
Definitely don't under estimate the GNCC TV coverage. It's been far bigger than some of the speculation. 2016 will be GNCC’s 16th year of cable programming with this being 5th on NBCSN.

Content wise there's highlight episodes for all 13 rounds of GNCC Racing action with 13 additional episodes on RacerTV.com. Last year there were 33 repeat airings in addition to the 13 premiere episodes for a total of 46 total airings with over 2.1 million viewers. All of that is on top of what aired live online which had over 8 million unique views.

Here's what you can expect this year out of RacerTV and of course, you can catch everything from last year and multiple years before on RacerTV.com



2/10/2016 11:04am
Definitely don't under estimate the GNCC TV coverage. It's been far bigger than some of the speculation. 2016 will be GNCC’s 16th year of cable programming...
Definitely don't under estimate the GNCC TV coverage. It's been far bigger than some of the speculation. 2016 will be GNCC’s 16th year of cable programming with this being 5th on NBCSN.

Content wise there's highlight episodes for all 13 rounds of GNCC Racing action with 13 additional episodes on RacerTV.com. Last year there were 33 repeat airings in addition to the 13 premiere episodes for a total of 46 total airings with over 2.1 million viewers. All of that is on top of what aired live online which had over 8 million unique views.

Here's what you can expect this year out of RacerTV and of course, you can catch everything from last year and multiple years before on RacerTV.com



Bolton, thanks for piping up...I was quoting from memory (fuzzy) from the banquet, and didn't want to overstate things
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2/10/2016 11:16am Edited Date/Time 2/10/2016 11:19am
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I'm almost embarrassed to say i hardly know anything about it or how the run. I keep an eye on the top guys but really know...
I'm almost embarrassed to say i hardly know anything about it or how the run. I keep an eye on the top guys but really know nothing about the actual competition or how it's ran. Maybe i should look into it a little more.
You can do this - it easy ......half the rate of energy consumption that MX takes...
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2/10/2016 11:29am
Titan1 wrote:
The one thing that will hold back off road is that its not a spectator sport. Some forms of off road racing are better than others...
The one thing that will hold back off road is that its not a spectator sport. Some forms of off road racing are better than others, but for the most part, its very very difficult to follow the entire race....it would take something like having two or three Helicopters hovering over all the top riders the entire race, with ground cameras as often as they can to break up the coverage to really make it work for TV.

That being said...I love it just how it is. I have nothing to gain from a huge TV audience, or thousands of spectators...so I'd prefer it small anyway.
Solar powered wireless cameras stationed at strategic points of the course would help. A friend of mine helped out some off roaders in Ohio with a similar set up but I think the cameras weren't solar.

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