What does it say about our sport ( Stew, Concussions. )

1/23/2016 12:16pm
If you are not a MD or DO, then you are NOT a radiologist. You have to complete medical school and residency to become a radiologist...
If you are not a MD or DO, then you are NOT a radiologist. You have to complete medical school and residency to become a radiologist. It's that simple.
You fail to see the difference between medical school, the degree and the working title. the contract. there's no Dr / Do applied to the job...
You fail to see the difference between medical school, the degree and the working title. the contract. there's no Dr / Do applied to the job title even with the degree. Also board cert is independent. fellowship...

A dr/ do sees and treats patients. that is what makes them " Doctors. " and why they wear the title. I'm not a doctor. I don't perform the duties of a dr. I don't have the same responsibilities or interactions as a dr. And I sure as hell don't go to the bar on friday night trying to pic up chics saying I'm a doctor.
seth505 wrote:
I could really see how you don't have a roll with interactions like a doctor.
In certain cases as advisors or to aid in diagnosis. but that's rare, and often the collective input of several staff members working WITH doctors and occasionally directly with patients.. but generally it's passing information along and staying in our isolated areas. I couldn't handle interactions with people all day. It's pretty heartbreaking some of the people you see. some of the families...

there's a difference between a degree and a working title and that's so hard to understand apparently.
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1/23/2016 12:16pm
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum. I know...
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
You KNOW its warm and salty, add spermbeard to his list of occupations.
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1/23/2016 12:19pm
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum. I know...
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
hillbilly wrote:
You KNOW its warm and salty, add spermbeard to his list of occupations.
Hahaha!!! perfect!!
1/23/2016 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2016 12:25pm
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum. I know...
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
hillbilly wrote:
You KNOW its warm and salty, add spermbeard to his list of occupations.
I'm judging you're single, overweight, smell like meat. probably haven't watched many 2000's chic flick comedies with your significant other or have the aptitude to catch sexual humor hidden in any of those films.

You're also probably afraid of homosexuals.



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1/23/2016 12:27pm
OP is a clown that doesn't even have a point.

"What does this say about our sport?"

It says that there are precautions in place and if a rider passes the tests in place, the rider is free to do what he feels comfortable with.

Why is this a problem OP? Did you aid Stewart when he crashed? Were you there to analyze his injury. Were you there to analyze his well being during his personal health testing? No, no and no. You don't know a single thing about the incident other than what you saw on your TV screen. Then you sat in front of your computer trash talking the sport and people involved. When someone argues against you, you aren't willing to have a discussion, you resort to calling them gay.

There are no winners in this thread, myself included for feeding into this mess, but there certainly is a loser.
1/23/2016 12:27pm
I'm judging you're single, overweight, smell like meat. probably haven't watched many 2000's chic flick comedies with your significant other or have the aptitude to catch...
I'm judging you're single, overweight, smell like meat. probably haven't watched many 2000's chic flick comedies with your significant other or have the aptitude to catch sexual humor hidden in any of those films.

You're also probably afraid of homosexuals.



I knew a guy like you once. Haven't seen him in years but I hear he went to jail because he went to a public library and jerked off into a bean bag chair.
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1/23/2016 12:32pm
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum. I know...
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
hillbilly wrote:
You KNOW its warm and salty, add spermbeard to his list of occupations.
I'm judging you're single, overweight, smell like meat. probably haven't watched many 2000's chic flick comedies with your significant other or have the aptitude to catch...
I'm judging you're single, overweight, smell like meat. probably haven't watched many 2000's chic flick comedies with your significant other or have the aptitude to catch sexual humor hidden in any of those films.

You're also probably afraid of homosexuals.



Dont delete this guy,he is psychic also, add another to the occupation list.
1/23/2016 12:35pm
aeffertz wrote:
OP is a clown that doesn't even have a point. "What does this say about our sport?" It says that there are precautions in place and...
OP is a clown that doesn't even have a point.

"What does this say about our sport?"

It says that there are precautions in place and if a rider passes the tests in place, the rider is free to do what he feels comfortable with.

Why is this a problem OP? Did you aid Stewart when he crashed? Were you there to analyze his injury. Were you there to analyze his well being during his personal health testing? No, no and no. You don't know a single thing about the incident other than what you saw on your TV screen. Then you sat in front of your computer trash talking the sport and people involved. When someone argues against you, you aren't willing to have a discussion, you resort to calling them gay.

There are no winners in this thread, myself included for feeding into this mess, but there certainly is a loser.
It says the protocol and tests they administer do not do a good enough job of isolating people from the risk of incurring another injury within a time zone that makes it incredibly more dangerous.

it says the standards in place are not good enough.

it says we need to look at this and change things to help riders, to protect riders, and to help ourselves.


holy fuck.

reading comprehension. critical analysis. progressive thinking. Not Your Strong Points.
1/23/2016 12:37pm
I'm judging you're single, overweight, smell like meat. probably haven't watched many 2000's chic flick comedies with your significant other or have the aptitude to catch...
I'm judging you're single, overweight, smell like meat. probably haven't watched many 2000's chic flick comedies with your significant other or have the aptitude to catch sexual humor hidden in any of those films.

You're also probably afraid of homosexuals.



I knew a guy like you once. Haven't seen him in years but I hear he went to jail because he went to a public library...
I knew a guy like you once. Haven't seen him in years but I hear he went to jail because he went to a public library and jerked off into a bean bag chair.
Hahahahaha.
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1/23/2016 12:39pm
aeffertz wrote:
OP is a clown that doesn't even have a point. "What does this say about our sport?" It says that there are precautions in place and...
OP is a clown that doesn't even have a point.

"What does this say about our sport?"

It says that there are precautions in place and if a rider passes the tests in place, the rider is free to do what he feels comfortable with.

Why is this a problem OP? Did you aid Stewart when he crashed? Were you there to analyze his injury. Were you there to analyze his well being during his personal health testing? No, no and no. You don't know a single thing about the incident other than what you saw on your TV screen. Then you sat in front of your computer trash talking the sport and people involved. When someone argues against you, you aren't willing to have a discussion, you resort to calling them gay.

There are no winners in this thread, myself included for feeding into this mess, but there certainly is a loser.
It says the protocol and tests they administer do not do a good enough job of isolating people from the risk of incurring another injury within...
It says the protocol and tests they administer do not do a good enough job of isolating people from the risk of incurring another injury within a time zone that makes it incredibly more dangerous.

it says the standards in place are not good enough.

it says we need to look at this and change things to help riders, to protect riders, and to help ourselves.


holy fuck.

reading comprehension. critical analysis. progressive thinking. Not Your Strong Points.
Wow, I just cried reading that,so much compassion.
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1/23/2016 12:51pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2016 7:32pm
In certain cases as advisors or to aid in diagnosis. but that's rare, and often the collective input of several staff members working WITH doctors and...
In certain cases as advisors or to aid in diagnosis. but that's rare, and often the collective input of several staff members working WITH doctors and occasionally directly with patients.. but generally it's passing information along and staying in our isolated areas. I couldn't handle interactions with people all day. It's pretty heartbreaking some of the people you see. some of the families...

there's a difference between a degree and a working title and that's so hard to understand apparently.
If you were not a MD or DO it is highly unlikely that you would be board certified, you would have to have a MD or DO degree. Secondly, as a radiologist you WOULD be diagnosing and treating disease so you would be interacting with doctors all the time (in fact, you would be a physician). There's a reason why radiologists make well over $200,000.00 a year, it's because they are in a specialized field and have completed medical school AND residency. But really, who cares?

You should have just made your original point about concussions and left it at that. No need to insult others along the way. Presumably we are all adults here and don't have to let the discussions fade off into stupidity and petty arguments. I agree with your points regarding concussions but what I am saying is that you could state your opinions a bit better.
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1/23/2016 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2016 12:55pm
It says the protocol and tests they administer do not do a good enough job of isolating people from the risk of incurring another injury within...
It says the protocol and tests they administer do not do a good enough job of isolating people from the risk of incurring another injury within a time zone that makes it incredibly more dangerous.

it says the standards in place are not good enough.

it says we need to look at this and change things to help riders, to protect riders, and to help ourselves.


holy fuck.

reading comprehension. critical analysis. progressive thinking. Not Your Strong Points.
Again, says you-- they keyboard warrior. I'll trust the doctors that are actually dealing with Stewart over some delusional guy that thinks he's smarter than everyone on an internet message board. You know nothing about his condition or how he was after the crash. Quit making assumptions that these trained professionals are brain dead and you know better. You're only making yourself look silly.

Take care.
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1/23/2016 1:19pm
So Stewart misses A2 and we are still complaining about what happened???? Can we give it a rest now?
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1/23/2016 1:20pm
I cant recall any rider getting up from a ko and causing an accident.

Cant recall a rider racing a week after a ko and causing a accident.

I do recall riders saying they dont remember racing after a ko,even then they caused no accident.

No rash of impaired riders causing crashes.

I've raced after sticking my brain back in my ear with a #2 pencil,for a trophy at lick skillet raceway.

A pro is going to do it ever time and not care about tomorrow, that is the way it should be.

4th gear pinnhead is all wound out about nothing, must be a lawyer looking to stir shit.
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1/23/2016 2:11pm
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We get it. You have your opinion, and can't be moved off it.
And we'll see 4rth gear pinned, WFO on his works bike from Florida with his credentials sewn on his butt patch out of here in 3......2......1
1/23/2016 7:27pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2016 7:35pm
if james is allowed to race this weekend after being unconscious for nearly 3 minutes and pretty disoriented in the medical truck? what does that say...
if james is allowed to race this weekend after being unconscious for nearly 3 minutes and pretty disoriented in the medical truck?

what does that say about our safety and concussion protocol regarding the safety of our riders and analysis of trauma sustained?

Any medical doctor in the world would oppose the opportunity to sustain a secondary trauma within 10 days but the medical staff in place in our sport would allow it?



You're right, the existing protocol is shit
James said he's not following it, he's being smart!
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2/4/2016 12:42am
When I first posted on JS crash and concussion I didn't think he was hurt that bad at all,,,i mean he was only going about 4 or 5 mph in that corner if that,,,But now a month later and he still having blurred vision is NOT A GOOD THING !! He hurt his Brain on that Crash and all those other CRASHES !!!! over that last 5 years,,,What do you Think will end up happening to James Stewart...????
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2/4/2016 2:45am
A month on and he has finally seen sense. One wonders where he would be had he sat out in the first place.
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2/4/2016 3:53am
Protocol should be no protocol,

Who would want some suit or a "docter" telling them they can't ride when careers are so short anyway.

A rider with a torn rotator cuff or sliced up hand is just as likely to crash as a dizzy rider.

Stewart made the main and ran up front,didn't crash into anyone.
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2/4/2016 4:35am Edited Date/Time 2/4/2016 4:38am
You know....if any of you remember A1 ( I believe it was 2002? ). RC had been chasing DV and then a fast approaching Mike Larocco coming onto RC's heals and was basically all over RC.....and RC was in defense mode because he hd ML all over him. There was a little step up triple coming out of a corner , where RC had hit the second jump and then flew over the bars , landed upside down , square right on his face and chest , and then the bike pile drived him strait to China. RC....was out cold...and bad.

He came back the next two weekends and managed a 4th and a 4th and then winning rounds #4....and then the title that same year.

What that says is....concussions affect different people , differently. In the case of James , He may very well has been knocked out some many times , that it happened with a very slight blow to the head.

What this means is....the protcol can't / won't work for everyone It isn't a " one size shoe fits all "....as everyone if different. Some recuperate from them at a much faster pace.

Now if we did a mandatory 1 month suspension on all the riders for a month.....RC would of never won that title.

It basically says....every rider should be treated differently....not some blanket statement , automatic 1 month sit on the side lines.

Food for thought. Don't make a mandatory sideline for a month for every single rider.....the rider themselves are the ones who get to make that call if they pass the test. In RC's case...it worked out just fine. James is having a tougher time coming back from this. So you see.....different riders can recoup faster than others.

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2/4/2016 5:13am
GrapeApe wrote:
If he doesn't race this weekend will you delete this thread? And promise to never start a thread again?
reading through your profile you provide this place with a bunch of intelligent and thoughtful insight, founded by fact, first hand experience and care to positively...
reading through your profile you provide this place with a bunch of intelligent and thoughtful insight, founded by fact, first hand experience and care to positively influence and effect others.

Oh Wait, You're another one of the smart ass, worthless posters who bring nothing to the table but bad sarcasm and an attitude when we're raising the question about the concussion protocol, the very protocol half of the field mocks in interviews and in media when talking about it? for the benefit of riders safety and long term well being?

Ok.



So true. Grape ape lives to be an asshole on here
Must have a miserable life
2/4/2016 6:46am
hillbilly wrote:
Protocol should be no protocol, Who would want some suit or a "docter" telling them they can't ride when careers are so short anyway. A rider...
Protocol should be no protocol,

Who would want some suit or a "docter" telling them they can't ride when careers are so short anyway.

A rider with a torn rotator cuff or sliced up hand is just as likely to crash as a dizzy rider.

Stewart made the main and ran up front,didn't crash into anyone.
You do know that people have ridden after a concussion that hasn't improved effectively and then had another crash to the head, resulting in death?

I won't even mention the issue of CTE's to you either.

The test is garbage, period. A rider can fake the test reactions to have a window in case they're in a position where they'd need to race for points/sponsors. Team sports are less likely to fake the test because one person does not (ultimately) make the team and they have(ing) more emphasis on the severity of head injuries.
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2/4/2016 6:48am
Do you ever get into 5th gear?
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2/4/2016 8:08am
hillbilly wrote:
Protocol should be no protocol, Who would want some suit or a "docter" telling them they can't ride when careers are so short anyway. A rider...
Protocol should be no protocol,

Who would want some suit or a "docter" telling them they can't ride when careers are so short anyway.

A rider with a torn rotator cuff or sliced up hand is just as likely to crash as a dizzy rider.

Stewart made the main and ran up front,didn't crash into anyone.
You do know that people have ridden after a concussion that hasn't improved effectively and then had another crash to the head, resulting in death? I...
You do know that people have ridden after a concussion that hasn't improved effectively and then had another crash to the head, resulting in death?

I won't even mention the issue of CTE's to you either.

The test is garbage, period. A rider can fake the test reactions to have a window in case they're in a position where they'd need to race for points/sponsors. Team sports are less likely to fake the test because one person does not (ultimately) make the team and they have(ing) more emphasis on the severity of head injuries.
Could you name one professional motocross rider that has had this happen? Maybe a racer that was still dizzy in the head decided to go back out , I don't doubt that.....but got killed for doing so? I could see this happening at a local race , but that's a completely different story. You can't monitor concussions at a local race like what they do in professional events.

I do believe the mandate for concussion protocol does need to be refined. But again....that's unknown waters there. As every person is different. Every time a rider get s a little dizzy from banging his head , does NOT mean they should automatically sit out a month. Like I said " One size shoe , does not fit all ".....and you ultimately need to leave most of that decision in the riders hands. Be smart about it , just like the way James did this past weekend. Don't feel right...stay off the bike.
2/4/2016 8:54am Edited Date/Time 2/4/2016 4:11pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Could you name one professional motocross rider that has had this happen? Maybe a racer that was still dizzy in the head decided to go back...
Could you name one professional motocross rider that has had this happen? Maybe a racer that was still dizzy in the head decided to go back out , I don't doubt that.....but got killed for doing so? I could see this happening at a local race , but that's a completely different story. You can't monitor concussions at a local race like what they do in professional events.

I do believe the mandate for concussion protocol does need to be refined. But again....that's unknown waters there. As every person is different. Every time a rider get s a little dizzy from banging his head , does NOT mean they should automatically sit out a month. Like I said " One size shoe , does not fit all ".....and you ultimately need to leave most of that decision in the riders hands. Be smart about it , just like the way James did this past weekend. Don't feel right...stay off the bike.
It hasn't happened at the professional level yet, but it is a possibility. Look at Stewart, he was cleared to ride for the next week and is still suffering at rd 4. This is the point, the protocol is not sufficient because it didn't address his effects. If he raced rd 2 (as he could have) and crashed on his head, resulting in his death, then what would the discussion be? Unfortunately, this will probably happen in the future (I hope I'm wrong though).

Listen to RC on DMXS, he even said the test isn't where it needs to be.

Also, the riders aren't perfect judges because they feel pressured to race (from themselves and their team/future team opportunities).

Are you going to address CTE's at all?
2/4/2016 2:59pm
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Do you ever get into 5th gear?
I do now. No more RMZ. 1st gear had a ratio close to the stock 2nd and no " 5th or 6th. " in there. that bike was fun. reliable too... considering I ride in mostly sand here.
2/4/2016 2:59pm
Am I still an asshole for saying the standards need to be better to protect riders or nah?

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2/4/2016 3:58pm
Am I still an asshole for saying the standards need to be better to protect riders or nah?

I would not say you are an asshole. May be a little short sided and opinionated.

I would say that they have a solid testing system in place. The problem is not just the testing process it is that the brain is so complex that a test will not tell if the brain has healed. As far as I know there is no such test available.
2/4/2016 4:13pm
This should be whats dicussed and disected, not whether someone quit. This is bigger than one rider.

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