Canard Too Aggresive?

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Spartacus 1/14/2016 3:15pm
1/14/2016 3:15pm
Spartacus wrote:
The "Man above" is directing his riding so let's not be questioning it.
mx836 wrote:
I've got a buddy like you. He's unbearable to even watch the races with because of stupid comments like these.
Trust me, your buddy is not like me.
4thGearPinned 1/14/2016 5:29pm
1/14/2016 5:29pm
dhkonrad wrote:
I apologize, I didn't mean to strike such a nerve. I scrolled way back through the searches and found where a lot of this has been...
I apologize, I didn't mean to strike such a nerve. I scrolled way back through the searches and found where a lot of this has been hashed out already.

I guess I should have been more specific in my original post. Aggressive is too broad a term, and often is a good thing in racing. "Is TC dirty?" probably would have been a better question. It seems like even the people that think that he sometimes makes poor decisions and can be aggressive still would agree that he isn't "dirty".

Personally I really like the guy, on and off the track. He seems really respectful, even when people throw dirty moves on him, and is fun to watch.
Canard is probably one of the " cleanest riders. " out there in terms of his behavior and interactions with other riders on track.. The incidents we see with him and crashes, other riders are what happen when a riders on the edge and things go sideways. it could happen to anyone pushing the envelope like he does.
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kiwifan 1/14/2016 6:26pm
1/14/2016 6:26pm
zehn wrote:
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly...
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly through it?

It's a classic example of his poor decision making on the track.
yeah clearly you could do better, you should try and talk to Honda to get Trey's ride because you know how to race more than what Trey does

Or here is better or more realistic advice, give the guy a break, all riders make silly decisions at some point at every round, perhaps they have had more luck than Trey rather than Trey havent bad luck himself
Dan-The-Man 1/14/2016 7:25pm
1/14/2016 7:25pm
kawirider819 wrote:
You do realize the Weimer crash was 2 turns after the start, right? The entire field was close together in that rhythm section. Besides, Weimer drifted...
You do realize the Weimer crash was 2 turns after the start, right? The entire field was close together in that rhythm section.

Besides, Weimer drifted over when he messed up his rhythm, Trey had no where to go. Racing incident, neither was at fault. Seriously people, get your eyes examined. Or your heads. Hell, maybe both.
zehn wrote:
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly...
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly through it?

It's a classic example of his poor decision making on the track.
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might screw up the rhythm and I didn't want to crash. Sorry about the 15th place.

It's also easy to roll jumps mid air once you've realized the guy in front of you screwed up.

Pure genius.


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rosebud441 1/14/2016 7:47pm
1/14/2016 7:47pm
I agree with the tunnel vision deal, he seems unaware of his surroundings to the point where he can't check up
and el-crashola, sometimes Trey just hurts himself sometimes others too, i still feet bad for Weimer, he's a good guy.
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kawirider819 1/14/2016 8:16pm
1/14/2016 8:16pm
richter28 wrote:
Maybe you're butthurt that your screen name doesn't match your picture. And yes you are correct about the Weimer crash. I misreferenced it for one of...
Maybe you're butthurt that your screen name doesn't match your picture. And yes you are correct about the Weimer crash. I misreferenced it for one of the 30 other crashes. Is there another point you were trying to make other than just calling me stupid for my opinion on one of the many examples of this subject? If that's the only thing you picked out of my post to harp on than you didn't get the point.
That's a high quality zinger you came up with about my avatar, real intelligent. No other point to make, just tired of hearing people saying that incident was Trey's fault. Kudos for recognizing that.
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mxfiend 1/14/2016 8:17pm
1/14/2016 8:17pm
kawirider819 wrote:
You do realize the Weimer crash was 2 turns after the start, right? The entire field was close together in that rhythm section. Besides, Weimer drifted...
You do realize the Weimer crash was 2 turns after the start, right? The entire field was close together in that rhythm section.

Besides, Weimer drifted over when he messed up his rhythm, Trey had no where to go. Racing incident, neither was at fault. Seriously people, get your eyes examined. Or your heads. Hell, maybe both.
zehn wrote:
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly...
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly through it?

It's a classic example of his poor decision making on the track.
Dan-The-Man wrote:
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might...
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might screw up the rhythm and I didn't want to crash. Sorry about the 15th place.

It's also easy to roll jumps mid air once you've realized the guy in front of you screwed up.

Pure genius.


Haha all the guys in the pack? So a holeshot should equal about a 5 second lead after the first lap for the leader


Classic example of poor decision making while posting on vital.
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kiwifan 1/14/2016 8:34pm
1/14/2016 8:34pm
zehn wrote:
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly...
You do realize that Canard (like all the guys in the pack) probably should have checked up in that rhythm section instead of trying to fly through it?

It's a classic example of his poor decision making on the track.
Dan-The-Man wrote:
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might...
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might screw up the rhythm and I didn't want to crash. Sorry about the 15th place.

It's also easy to roll jumps mid air once you've realized the guy in front of you screwed up.

Pure genius.


mxfiend wrote:
Haha all the guys in the pack? So a holeshot should equal about a 5 second lead after the first lap for the leader Classic example...
Haha all the guys in the pack? So a holeshot should equal about a 5 second lead after the first lap for the leader


Classic example of poor decision making while posting on vital.
dan-the-man was right on the money, these guys are not going to tiptoe around the track in the first lap while the guy who gets the holeshot runs away with the race...or do you only want Canard to do that because you dont like him?
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jeffro503 1/14/2016 8:55pm
1/14/2016 8:55pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2016 8:56pm
Trey slaps on a helmet and goes into full " Race mode ". It's as simple as that. Super fast , extremely talented and just goes for it. " Sometimes " , it comes back and bites him , or someone else in the process.....but that's all part of racing. I'm not a religious person at all , but taking pop-shots at his beliefs is pretty stupid and uncalled for imho. As far as his racing technique.....there are a lot of guys out there by mid season that start to coast...Trey pushes as hard at A1 as he will in Vegas. No quit in that kid! I wish more racers did it that way.
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zehn 1/14/2016 8:59pm
1/14/2016 8:59pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2016 9:01pm
Dan-The-Man wrote:
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might...
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might screw up the rhythm and I didn't want to crash. Sorry about the 15th place.

It's also easy to roll jumps mid air once you've realized the guy in front of you screwed up.

Pure genius.


What was the ultimate outcome of trying to push it in a pack in a rhythm section on the first lap? That's about all the evidence I need.

We see guys check up on the first lap all the time for a reason.
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kiwifan 1/14/2016 9:03pm
1/14/2016 9:03pm
zehn wrote:
What was the ultimate outcome of trying to push it in a pack in a rhythm section on the first lap? That's about all the evidence...
What was the ultimate outcome of trying to push it in a pack in a rhythm section on the first lap? That's about all the evidence I need.

We see guys check up on the first lap all the time for a reason.


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Crush 1/14/2016 9:04pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Trey slaps on a helmet and goes into full " Race mode ". It's as simple as that. Super fast , extremely talented and just goes...
Trey slaps on a helmet and goes into full " Race mode ". It's as simple as that. Super fast , extremely talented and just goes for it. " Sometimes " , it comes back and bites him , or someone else in the process.....but that's all part of racing. I'm not a religious person at all , but taking pop-shots at his beliefs is pretty stupid and uncalled for imho. As far as his racing technique.....there are a lot of guys out there by mid season that start to coast...Trey pushes as hard at A1 as he will in Vegas. No quit in that kid! I wish more racers did it that way.
Funny I'm just listening to MC on DMXS and he talks about "sometimes" being the problem...

Dungey doesn't do sometimes.
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zehn 1/14/2016 9:09pm
1/14/2016 9:09pm
kiwifan wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/14/119873/s1200_facepalm_ernie.jpg[/img]


Oh no, somebody on Vital doesn't agree with me
Samsquanch Gingerbeard 1/14/2016 9:11pm
1/14/2016 9:11pm
Spartacus wrote:
The "Man above" is directing his riding so let's not be questioning it.
Just to be fair, and the Christian stuff on the podium bothers me too, Canard is the one super Christian pro who has said in interviews that his faith has nothing to do with winning or losing. Nothing to do with keeping him safe. It just makes him do the best he can. I can respect that.
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discomszyco 1/15/2016 2:24am
1/15/2016 2:24am
canards always entertaining to watch. in sx he makes me nervous as f*** for whoever is near him, but outdoors its a little different. that pass he put on metty at hangtown last year was great, and him and james going at it at millville was even better. whenever it gets tight in sx i think he just pins it and lets jesus take the wheel.
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bobojim 1/15/2016 2:30am
1/15/2016 2:30am
I am a fan of Trey, and was worried this time he might have lost some of the fire and speed. That was not a problem, rather I think he struggled a little with endurance. Not only is he extremely talented, but there are not many people who could be as motivated as him to come back from where he has been.

Back to the immediate issue, I like the expression "poor decision making". Trey is one of the most respective riders on the track in my opinion despite how hard he rides. But some decisions are not the best. A disagree strongly that bad decisions explains all incidents - most are just racing. But the odd one could have been avoided.

Whereas some people might be bagging Trey for his ability to make good race decisions, I hope, that if there is some accuracy in the statement, Trey can hear about it and use it to gain some self incite and learn from it and become a better rider and perform to his potential.

Bad decision making probably explains the trajectory of my career years ago, and I sure wish I had worked this out back then.

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fidiot 1/15/2016 5:38am
1/15/2016 5:38am
The difference between someone like Canard and Friese is that Canard is not intentionally trying to take people out to make a pass. He just rides really aggressively and some times makes poor decisions on the track.
Dan-The-Man 1/15/2016 6:11am
1/15/2016 6:11am
Dan-The-Man wrote:
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might...
Yea everyone should roll the first few sections on lap 1. Then when the team owner asks why just say well I thought maybe someone might screw up the rhythm and I didn't want to crash. Sorry about the 15th place.

It's also easy to roll jumps mid air once you've realized the guy in front of you screwed up.

Pure genius.


zehn wrote:
What was the ultimate outcome of trying to push it in a pack in a rhythm section on the first lap? That's about all the evidence...
What was the ultimate outcome of trying to push it in a pack in a rhythm section on the first lap? That's about all the evidence I need.

We see guys check up on the first lap all the time for a reason.
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kkawboy14 1/15/2016 8:28am
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fidiot wrote:
The difference between someone like Canard and Friese is that Canard is not intentionally trying to take people out to make a pass. He just rides...
The difference between someone like Canard and Friese is that Canard is not intentionally trying to take people out to make a pass. He just rides really aggressively and some times makes poor decisions on the track.
No way friese is intentionally taking another pro out. He's just leaning on them so he doesn't fall.

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