New 150sx Sounds Amazing...

Reefer Sutherland 12/21/2015 11:43am
12/21/2015 11:43am Edited Date/Time 12/21/2015 11:44am
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The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up...
The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up on the 250SX. Not only will it not be EFI, the picture I saw looked like a Mikuni.

Anyone who thinks EFI on a 2-stroke would somehow be a bad thing, is out of their mind.

"Complicated"

So, the carburetor becomes a "throttlebody". The black box that already controls your ignition? yea, now it controls your ignition and your fuel, and its still just a little black box. oh, there's a fuel pump in the bottom of your tank, that youll more than likely never see, or mess with.

Now youll never jet your bike again, ever. It'll run 100% crisp, and better than the best carbureted bike, because you just went from 5 fuel circuits to 5,000. All without ever laying a finger on it.

Yea, what a bad idea. way too complicated. junk.
Tom711 wrote:
Simple and inexpensive to repair like a carb as well I suppose? And don't tell me it won't add to the cost of the bike or...
Simple and inexpensive to repair like a carb as well I suppose? And don't tell me it won't add to the cost of the bike or add any weight.



Jeez. This is just like the whole air fork deal. Most of the people complaining dont own them or know enough about them to complain. This is how bullshit perpetuates itself on forums. This is why in 2015, rednecks still think "KTMs are hard to get parts for".

I'm not calling anyone's intelligence into question, but I think a lot of people don't fully understand electronic fuel injection, and therefore, are a bit put-off by it. Same with radiators, mono-shocks, four-strokes, aluminum frames, and every single other innovation over the last 40 years. it's been met by innnovations #1 enemy: The uneducated customer.
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Cancerman 12/21/2015 12:38pm
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up...
The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up on the 250SX. Not only will it not be EFI, the picture I saw looked like a Mikuni.

Anyone who thinks EFI on a 2-stroke would somehow be a bad thing, is out of their mind.

"Complicated"

So, the carburetor becomes a "throttlebody". The black box that already controls your ignition? yea, now it controls your ignition and your fuel, and its still just a little black box. oh, there's a fuel pump in the bottom of your tank, that youll more than likely never see, or mess with.

Now youll never jet your bike again, ever. It'll run 100% crisp, and better than the best carbureted bike, because you just went from 5 fuel circuits to 5,000. All without ever laying a finger on it.

Yea, what a bad idea. way too complicated. junk.
Think about what happens to a FI bike when the electronics get wet. You hate messing with a carb? Wait until you have to troubleshoot your FI system out in a canyon 5 miles from your truck. I'll stick with my 2 strokes with carbs.
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FI2T 12/21/2015 1:45pm
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up...
The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up on the 250SX. Not only will it not be EFI, the picture I saw looked like a Mikuni.

Anyone who thinks EFI on a 2-stroke would somehow be a bad thing, is out of their mind.

"Complicated"

So, the carburetor becomes a "throttlebody". The black box that already controls your ignition? yea, now it controls your ignition and your fuel, and its still just a little black box. oh, there's a fuel pump in the bottom of your tank, that youll more than likely never see, or mess with.

Now youll never jet your bike again, ever. It'll run 100% crisp, and better than the best carbureted bike, because you just went from 5 fuel circuits to 5,000. All without ever laying a finger on it.

Yea, what a bad idea. way too complicated. junk.

Great post! I haven't seen anyone bitch about fi on 4strokes. Two strokes stand to benefit way more from fi then a four strokes did. If anything fi will uncomplicate two strokes! I didn't see one fourstroke that increased in price by 700.00 bucks with the addition of fi and if you look weight increase was very small if at all.

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bsharkey 12/21/2015 3:02pm
12/21/2015 3:02pm
Reefer Sutherland wrote:
The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up...
The deal with the 250SX is that they ran out of time in 2016. They did the 125/150 and had no time to do a ground-up on the 250SX. Not only will it not be EFI, the picture I saw looked like a Mikuni.

Anyone who thinks EFI on a 2-stroke would somehow be a bad thing, is out of their mind.

"Complicated"

So, the carburetor becomes a "throttlebody". The black box that already controls your ignition? yea, now it controls your ignition and your fuel, and its still just a little black box. oh, there's a fuel pump in the bottom of your tank, that youll more than likely never see, or mess with.

Now youll never jet your bike again, ever. It'll run 100% crisp, and better than the best carbureted bike, because you just went from 5 fuel circuits to 5,000. All without ever laying a finger on it.

Yea, what a bad idea. way too complicated. junk.
hopefully they keep the cost the same or go up just slightly

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FGR01 12/21/2015 3:04pm
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
Jeez. This is just like the whole air fork deal. Most of the people complaining dont own them or know enough about them to complain. This...



Jeez. This is just like the whole air fork deal. Most of the people complaining dont own them or know enough about them to complain. This is how bullshit perpetuates itself on forums. This is why in 2015, rednecks still think "KTMs are hard to get parts for".

I'm not calling anyone's intelligence into question, but I think a lot of people don't fully understand electronic fuel injection, and therefore, are a bit put-off by it. Same with radiators, mono-shocks, four-strokes, aluminum frames, and every single other innovation over the last 40 years. it's been met by innnovations #1 enemy: The uneducated customer.
I own both and I thoroughly understand both and I am glad my YZ 2-strokes don't have FI.

The whole "you'll never have to mess with jetting again" is the most oversold line of crap when it comes to FI on dirt bikes. First of all, once you have a 2-stroke properly jetted you barely ever have to mess with it again. And if you do, hell what a hassle it is to buy a $5 piece of brass and spend 3 minutes changing it! Much worse than dragging out your laptop, your $350 software, your test sets and meters and chasing electrical gremlins all over your wiring harness!
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burn1986 12/21/2015 3:29pm
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Oh, they'll have the 250 sorted out and with all the updates and then some. I'm guessing it'll be one of the hottest 2017 models.
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c_dub 12/22/2015 12:11am
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FGR01 wrote:
I own both and I thoroughly understand both and I am glad my YZ 2-strokes don't have FI. The whole "you'll never have to mess with...
I own both and I thoroughly understand both and I am glad my YZ 2-strokes don't have FI.

The whole "you'll never have to mess with jetting again" is the most oversold line of crap when it comes to FI on dirt bikes. First of all, once you have a 2-stroke properly jetted you barely ever have to mess with it again. And if you do, hell what a hassle it is to buy a $5 piece of brass and spend 3 minutes changing it! Much worse than dragging out your laptop, your $350 software, your test sets and meters and chasing electrical gremlins all over your wiring harness!
Spot on FGR01.

And a metering rod carburetor (Lectron or APT) is really the holy grail, in my opinion, for two strokes. The F.I. is just not necessary.
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Motofinne 12/22/2015 2:34am
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Fuel injection is the best thing that has ever happened to MX bikes.
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Ryan598 12/22/2015 2:59am
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
Jeez. This is just like the whole air fork deal. Most of the people complaining dont own them or know enough about them to complain. This...



Jeez. This is just like the whole air fork deal. Most of the people complaining dont own them or know enough about them to complain. This is how bullshit perpetuates itself on forums. This is why in 2015, rednecks still think "KTMs are hard to get parts for".

I'm not calling anyone's intelligence into question, but I think a lot of people don't fully understand electronic fuel injection, and therefore, are a bit put-off by it. Same with radiators, mono-shocks, four-strokes, aluminum frames, and every single other innovation over the last 40 years. it's been met by innnovations #1 enemy: The uneducated customer.
I have a 2016 KTM 450sxf that a buddy of mine crashed and destroyed the seat. That was in September. Ktm kept pushing back the back order date on the seat. Finally on 12/16 they pushed it back and didn't even give a date for the release. I would say, from my experience with Ktm, these rednecks are correct.
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Bultaco 12/22/2015 3:20am
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Motofinne wrote:
Fuel injection is the best thing that has ever happened to MX bikes.
..... and to automobiles. I've not missed a carburetor on my autos even once.

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