Sad photo brought back a flood of memories

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Edited Date/Time 12/3/2015 9:47am
Driving home from Newark Ohio I had to swing by some old stomping grounds and took a pic.

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12/1/2015 5:13am
They post a lot of stuff on Facebook and it's sad if you remember what it was once like.
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12/1/2015 5:32am Edited Date/Time 12/1/2015 5:34am
When Dick was running the place in the early to mid 80's, that track was immaculate on race day.

Edit: if you search it on googlemaps you can see the huge wash out ruts on the track and the flat track up top is still there. I heard that what finally killed the track off was insurance going from $5000/year to $50,000/year.

12/1/2015 8:58am
That price difference would do in a lot of small buisnesses let alone a mx track. Any chance you could post a pic of it from googlemaps? I have no idea where to start looking.
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12/1/2015 9:01am
downard254 wrote:
Driving home from Newark Ohio I had to swing by some old stomping grounds and took a pic.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/12/01/113268/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Driving home from Newark Ohio I had to swing by some old stomping grounds and took a pic.

WOW!!! I just got goose bumps when I saw that sign. Spun many a lap there being I'm from Pataskala just up the road. You're right Downard254, Dick kept that place mint! Must've been all the horse shit mixed in the dirt! Laughing

I told my fiance just last wknd that this would be my second purchase if I ever hit the lottery!!!

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12/1/2015 9:01am
downard254 wrote:
When Dick was running the place in the early to mid 80's, that track was immaculate on race day. Edit: if you search it on googlemaps...
When Dick was running the place in the early to mid 80's, that track was immaculate on race day.

Edit: if you search it on googlemaps you can see the huge wash out ruts on the track and the flat track up top is still there. I heard that what finally killed the track off was insurance going from $5000/year to $50,000/year.

Lawyers, when are we going to stand up and do something about them in this country?
12/1/2015 9:06am
What do you call a busload of lawyers going over a cliff?

A good start.



What do you call a busload of lawyers going over a cliff with one empty seat?


A crying shame.


I've got a million of them.
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12/1/2015 9:18am
Reminds new of kenwortheys I drive past there couple weeks ago and it's nothing but a field of grass and corn.pretty sad to see.
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12/1/2015 9:29am Edited Date/Time 12/1/2015 9:30am
downard254 wrote:
Driving home from Newark Ohio I had to swing by some old stomping grounds and took a pic.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/12/01/113268/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Driving home from Newark Ohio I had to swing by some old stomping grounds and took a pic.

JBlain619 wrote:
WOW!!! I just got goose bumps when I saw that sign. Spun many a lap there being I'm from Pataskala just up the road. You're right...
WOW!!! I just got goose bumps when I saw that sign. Spun many a lap there being I'm from Pataskala just up the road. You're right Downard254, Dick kept that place mint! Must've been all the horse shit mixed in the dirt! Laughing

I told my fiance just last wknd that this would be my second purchase if I ever hit the lottery!!!
Okay, I'm a nosy bastard. The first?

I hate seeing old tracks disappear. The one we had in my town lasted the better part of 10 years and was a great track. Saw Justin Barcia there at a LLQ a few years back as well as Joey Savatgy. It was only 3.2 miles from my house and now it's just a field beside the interstate. I know you guys miss the historic ones y'all rode on back in the day. A track worthy of an LLQ 3 miles from the house!! Shit, I wished we had it back!!
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12/1/2015 11:45am
downard254 wrote:
Driving home from Newark Ohio I had to swing by some old stomping grounds and took a pic.[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/12/01/113268/s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Driving home from Newark Ohio I had to swing by some old stomping grounds and took a pic.

JBlain619 wrote:
WOW!!! I just got goose bumps when I saw that sign. Spun many a lap there being I'm from Pataskala just up the road. You're right...
WOW!!! I just got goose bumps when I saw that sign. Spun many a lap there being I'm from Pataskala just up the road. You're right Downard254, Dick kept that place mint! Must've been all the horse shit mixed in the dirt! Laughing

I told my fiance just last wknd that this would be my second purchase if I ever hit the lottery!!!
gharmon wrote:
Okay, I'm a nosy bastard. The first? I hate seeing old tracks disappear. The one we had in my town lasted the better part of 10...
Okay, I'm a nosy bastard. The first?

I hate seeing old tracks disappear. The one we had in my town lasted the better part of 10 years and was a great track. Saw Justin Barcia there at a LLQ a few years back as well as Joey Savatgy. It was only 3.2 miles from my house and now it's just a field beside the interstate. I know you guys miss the historic ones y'all rode on back in the day. A track worthy of an LLQ 3 miles from the house!! Shit, I wished we had it back!!
Gharmon, a place any where in the world my parents would want to retire to pay them back for everthing they did for me as a kid!
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12/1/2015 12:05pm
Sandberm wrote:
Lawyers, when are we going to stand up and do something about them in this country?
There would be no "bad" lawyers in dirt bike cases without clients that ride dirt bikes.



Insurance companies usually are pretty good about pricing risk, and if it costs $50K to insure a track because of the litigiousness of its customers, then that's a price the customers should pay.

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12/1/2015 2:41pm
Agree, FTE. Doing math and estimating risks, while trying to beat the other guys price is what insurance companies do. It's not just that riders choose to sue though, it's also health insurance companies suing on behalf of individuals who get hurt. If you've ever had an insurance claim where your insurance company wanted to know all kinds of detail about how it happened, that's probably why - they were looking for someone else to pin the bill on.
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Rode there a bunch in the early 00's. Was a fun place to hang out for the day.
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12/1/2015 3:00pm
ACBraap wrote:
Agree, FTE. Doing math and estimating risks, while trying to beat the other guys price is what insurance companies do. It's not just that riders choose...
Agree, FTE. Doing math and estimating risks, while trying to beat the other guys price is what insurance companies do. It's not just that riders choose to sue though, it's also health insurance companies suing on behalf of individuals who get hurt. If you've ever had an insurance claim where your insurance company wanted to know all kinds of detail about how it happened, that's probably why - they were looking for someone else to pin the bill on.
Completely understand that, though the injured are not always out of that loop, but if it cant be escaped it just reinforces that the cost of providing for legal defense is an unavoidable cost of doing business if people can get injured. The cost of running a track is what it is, and tracks fail when riders decide its not worth it to ride there when it's priced in a way that captures that cost. I guess it's up to track owners to compete for riders and low insurance rates, probably primarily based on how well they run their businesses and the state of the local economy where the track is located.

That's the reality as it is, not necessarily the ideal people want (at least when they imagine themselves never getting hurt). Not saying the system is great. I am all for spreading risk among society, but the current at-fault liability system for compensating injuries to ~ theoretically ~ not leave an individual destitute where injury disables them shuffles way too much money away from that good objective to lawyers, insurance companies and hospitals (hospitals far more so than doctors IMO). I say that as a lawyer, although the PI bar probably disagrees.


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JBlain619 wrote:
WOW!!! I just got goose bumps when I saw that sign. Spun many a lap there being I'm from Pataskala just up the road. You're right...
WOW!!! I just got goose bumps when I saw that sign. Spun many a lap there being I'm from Pataskala just up the road. You're right Downard254, Dick kept that place mint! Must've been all the horse shit mixed in the dirt! Laughing

I told my fiance just last wknd that this would be my second purchase if I ever hit the lottery!!!
gharmon wrote:
Okay, I'm a nosy bastard. The first? I hate seeing old tracks disappear. The one we had in my town lasted the better part of 10...
Okay, I'm a nosy bastard. The first?

I hate seeing old tracks disappear. The one we had in my town lasted the better part of 10 years and was a great track. Saw Justin Barcia there at a LLQ a few years back as well as Joey Savatgy. It was only 3.2 miles from my house and now it's just a field beside the interstate. I know you guys miss the historic ones y'all rode on back in the day. A track worthy of an LLQ 3 miles from the house!! Shit, I wished we had it back!!
JBlain619 wrote:
Gharmon, a place any where in the world my parents would want to retire to pay them back for everthing they did for me as a...
Gharmon, a place any where in the world my parents would want to retire to pay them back for everthing they did for me as a kid!
Very noble my friend!!!
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12/2/2015 3:48am
Here's another satellite view during the late fall/winter. (No leaves).


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12/2/2015 5:40am
I grew up racing there -- saw my first pro race there, the 1972 Trans-AMA won by Heikki Mikkola, who also won there in 1974. I used to always wonder about how long the sign out on Interstate 70 would last, and sometime in the last couple of years it did come down. But on my way to Phil Alderton's funeral in Dayton, Ohio, before that, I stopped along the highway and jumped out and shot this, just in case...

DC


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12/2/2015 6:36am Edited Date/Time 12/2/2015 6:37am
DC wrote:
I grew up racing there -- saw my first pro race there, the 1972 Trans-AMA won by Heikki Mikkola, who also won there in 1974. I...
I grew up racing there -- saw my first pro race there, the 1972 Trans-AMA won by Heikki Mikkola, who also won there in 1974. I used to always wonder about how long the sign out on Interstate 70 would last, and sometime in the last couple of years it did come down. But on my way to Phil Alderton's funeral in Dayton, Ohio, before that, I stopped along the highway and jumped out and shot this, just in case...

DC


I remember when I saw this pic. Brought back the memories as a kid driving down 70 from our house and my dad telling me to look for the billboard so he didn't miss the exit! The old man had been there millions of times but always needed my help to get there! hahahaha

Man, I sure do miss those days.

When we went to the Briarcliff LLAQ this year, Amber and I drove past where this sign used to be heading towards my great-aunt's house. The sign, as DC said, and the woods are all gone. Had a great weekend at Briarcliff. Just happened that my parents were up visiting family and my dad came out and watched me race for the first time in 20 years. Told me that "I was faster than he thought I would be, not bad for an old guy!" I guess that's a compliment from an old Marine! Laughing
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12/2/2015 7:57am
Anyone remember how hard it was to wash the sawdust out of your air filter
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12/2/2015 9:28am
Sandberm wrote:
Lawyers, when are we going to stand up and do something about them in this country?
There would be no "bad" lawyers in dirt bike cases without clients that ride dirt bikes. [img]https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1329260478l/652112.jpg[/img] Insurance companies usually are pretty good about pricing risk...
There would be no "bad" lawyers in dirt bike cases without clients that ride dirt bikes.



Insurance companies usually are pretty good about pricing risk, and if it costs $50K to insure a track because of the litigiousness of its customers, then that's a price the customers should pay.

Whats changed in our society/culture/laws, that the "litigiousness of its customers" has led to the tenfold increase of insurance rates to run the track?
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12/2/2015 9:31am
Sue happy people who would rather make a quick buck over the preservation of a facility or sport would be my guess
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ACBraap wrote:
Agree, FTE. Doing math and estimating risks, while trying to beat the other guys price is what insurance companies do. It's not just that riders choose...
Agree, FTE. Doing math and estimating risks, while trying to beat the other guys price is what insurance companies do. It's not just that riders choose to sue though, it's also health insurance companies suing on behalf of individuals who get hurt. If you've ever had an insurance claim where your insurance company wanted to know all kinds of detail about how it happened, that's probably why - they were looking for someone else to pin the bill on.
Bingo!
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12/2/2015 9:50am
downard254 wrote:
Sue happy people who would rather make a quick buck over the preservation of a facility or sport would be my guess
Its the ability to sue is it not?

Why wernt people sueing the heck out of eachother in the 70's...or were they?
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12/2/2015 10:17am
Sandberm wrote:
Whats changed in our society/culture/laws, that the "litigiousness of its customers" has led to the tenfold increase of insurance rates to run the track?
When a jury will reward someone $2,860,000 for spilling hot coffee on themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants

The jury damages included $160,000[3] to cover medical expenses and compensatory damages and $2.7 million in punitive damages. The trial judge reduced the final verdict to $640,000, and the parties settled for a confidential amount before an appeal was decided.


We ALL need to stop thinking, "I am going to sue for as much money as I can get" when shit happens to us.
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Me @ Honda Hills in 85. Track was perfect as usual.
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12/2/2015 12:20pm
$50K! I figured insurance costs were up for $50K! That is crazy. No wonder there are no places to ride anymore.
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Another one, holeshot from 1984.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/12/02/113471/s1200_20140515_211336.jpg[/img] Me @ Honda Hills in 85. Track was perfect as usual.


Me @ Honda Hills in 85. Track was perfect as usual.
What class were you riding. Looks like a 125. Figured you were either going up against Tim Peck (rode #4 on an RM125), or you were in the A class working with Troy Graham, and Mark Weaver.
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What do you call a busload of lawyers going over a cliff? A good start. What do you call a busload of lawyers going over a...
What do you call a busload of lawyers going over a cliff?

A good start.



What do you call a busload of lawyers going over a cliff with one empty seat?


A crying shame.


I've got a million of them.
What's the difference between a dead lawyer and a dead snake laying in the middle of the road?



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