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The buying public is naturally inclined to buy what their favorite pro is racing and winning on. One thing for sure, you can't buy what is not being built, no matter how much you want it. The pro racing promoters and the major manufacturers/corporations have developed our current racing series which have arbitrarily banned 2-strokes. I see it as something of a vicious circle - there are no pro classes for 2-strokes or open class bikes today, so there are very few being produced, which reinforces the situation we're in where there are no current production bikes to put in these classes if we did have them...
I don't recall seeing anybody claim that a 4-stroke is a better powerplant than a 2-stroke of equivalent displacement. From an engineering standpoint, the 2-stroke is preferable from nearly all aspects - better power to weight ratio, and significantly less complex (lower cost to produce, buy, and maintain). I have to believe that the current 4-strokes are very expensive to produce - why wouldn't the factories want to reduce their costs by returning to 2-stroke production? I would think bikes' retail prices could be reduced, and the manufacturers still maintain their profit margin. Maybe even see an increase if sales numbers go up...
I think if we could see 2-strokes allowed to race on an "even field" with the 4-strokes, we could see 2-strokes back in production, and it could only be a win-win situation for our sport at all levels -
Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap!!!
How about an aftermarket 300-350 kit. Remember the Noleen 360 Kit for early 90's YZs. A few of those were raced in the 500cc nationals before the series was killed. It would be cool if a company with some 2-stroke legacy, say Boyesen might be all over that!
How about some variation of that here in the MX nationals.
Sat. - 250 (up to 250cc, 2 or 4) & Open (250cc and up, 2 or 4) PRO classes
Sun - Jr. National classes (50, 65, 85 &125) with filler B, C and age group classes.
I don't know what issue this was in, but the general feeling was that it was good even as an mx-bike.
So, why rebuild it? Change the rear wheel to 19" and ditch the lights and we probably have the optimal mx-bike considering the recent talk?!
No one really cares what you think. And you're just too focking stupid to comprehend how this affects the entire sport.
Unless you're going to do another meltdown and wet your panties the way you did when they first announced the change to 250 vs 250 for the amateur class.
I know several younger riders who would like to be able to buy a 2-stroke with newer styling. My 18 year old son is one of them. A couple of years ago, I was all ready to give up and buy him a 4-stroke, and he had a fit. He wants a YZ250 that doesn't look like it was built in 2005. His buddy has gone back to a CR250 after two seasons on a CRF250. There is still a segment of younger riders that are dedicated to the 2-stroke, and capable of riding them the way they need to be ridden to be competitive.
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No in all seriousness, that opinion is just as valid as anyone else's here....
But the fact that the four stroke has hurt our sport financially, is true. Keep your 250f. I will keep my 250. Let's see who spends more money on it in a year, then two, then three (get a new bike if you want....it factors in)
But i already know the answer, I have owned them both. I have raced them both.
I surely know I like the holeshots I have pulled with the new rule at times when I have had a bad jump, the fact I don't have to spend 2 grand to build a fast motor that my stock 250 will still out holeshot, and the fact that I have been able to ride despite being poor because of the lower costs the two stroke has brought with it.
I also know a lot of local pro's who love the 250 rule because of mentioned reasons. Trust me, they turn faster laps on them on outdoor tracks, otherwise they wouldn't spend their own money to buy them.
Who knows, right? If the fourstroke still smokes em, but the privateer now comes out to race on an equal bike in power, then everyone still gains, as at least the privateer showed up this time.
This is not a "My dad can beat up your dad" issue, this is the health and future of the sport. I am 27, and I ride a 2 stroke. After owning a 450 and dealing with the cost and complexity, I decided that a 2 stroke was the only way I was going to stay in the sport. I know I'm not the only one out there in the same position.
if you would have been in this sport a while...... it was dominated by 4 strokes longgg before the 2 smokes of the 70's.... but guess what? those that were used to the 4 strokes in the beginning, while reluctant at first, latched right on to the 2 smokes... they were just so much lighter, and just plain faster... for this application, per given displacement, the current 2 stroke design is a clear winner...
and frankly, you clueless cakeboy..... the old farts here don't give a shit which "wins"... it can be either... BUT..... some of us don't like seeing where the 450F has taken this sport...... much higher prices, piss poor re-sale values, track closures due to noise, lower attendance..... motocross blew up because nearly everyone could afford to race it..... the modern day F's have changed that....
how about lowering the minimum wt as well. I'll bet a 300t could weigh in at 200 even.
AJ once printed the wts of motors alone and the CR250 motor was only like 5 lbs less than the 500 motor. no doubt there is some lard to carve off from 56 lbs.
as Racer92 said, the thumpers are the cash cow. (that's slowly killing the sport)
"...four-strokes are only competitive because
they were given an enormous displacement advantage
back in 1998." MXA. 3/11/2008
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