Upgrade to enjoy this feature!
Vital MX fantasy is free to play, but Premium users receive great benefits. Premium benefits include:
- View and download rider stats
- Pick trends
- Create a private league
- And more!
Only $10 for all 2026 SX, MX, and SMX series.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Repsol&redirect=no
The Shop
Free shipping: VITALMX
DeCal Works Huge Plastic Inventory of UFO and Polisport kits.
Luxon 4-Post Bar Mounts
$189.95 - $239.95
Hummmmmm........
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up…
I felt that he presented both sides as equal in fault. He also blames Dorna for not setting the riders down to discuss their differences before the race. He says point blank that both had fault but only one was punished. I guess it is up to interpretation.
It comes down to the moment. I don't believe there were 2 at fault, not even 1. Racing happens.
Did you read what Pedrosa said?
"But what I can say from the last maneuver, I think when you have the inside, you can go as wide as you want, because the guy on the inside has the preference always, so normally the guy on the outside should cut."
The question for Dorna is, what about rules for the final race? Apparently still no changes. We will see a repeat of Sepang only worse.
You keep posting . Clearly you have not moved on . Move on means you do not read anymore this thread and specially not post anything !
Are you alright ?
I appreciated the MM on board footage that was posted by Kongols - Thank you very much - A unique perspective.
Kiwifan you should not post in this thread again unless you really do not understand what you are even saying yourself.
This was his 1st statement - Basically saying he will not commit to an answer until all the fact are out !
Dani Pedrosa (Repsol Honda): “It’s a bad incident for our sport. There are so many people that are watching us and these things shouldn’t happen. Valentino Rossi is one the greatest of this sport, he has many fans and many young people look at him as an example. Everyone can make a mistake. We need to understand exactly what happened.”
Race Direction say " The contact was deliberate " - Sure it was but then why penalize VR ? He did not make deliberate contact at all in the race ?
Jeremy McWilliams
My feedback initially started in favour of Marquez but soon turned totally in favour of Rossi (by a long way).
Pedrosa is stating the obvious" I think when you have the inside, you can go as wide as you want, because the guy on the inside has the preference always " As this happens all the time in all forms of racing !!!!!
Race Direction have a huge problem now in that to remain consistent they have to penalize everyone from now on that runs some one wide or takes the line away - Either that or change their stance on this matter - Which they will not they will not even defer it as per Rossi legal team request - MEANS THIS RUNS DEEP into DORNA !!!!
On reading the rule changes, it is hard to escape the conclusion that the official FIM press release containing the minutes may as well have been subtitled "MotoGP Regulations: The Marc Marquez Edition." Though Marquez is not yet twenty years of age, he has already left his mark on the rulebook, many of the new regulations appearing to have been drawn up in response to controversies emerging (rightly or wrongly) from Marquez and his Monlau Competicion Moto2 team.
The biggest change to the rules is the introduction of a penalty points system, aimed at bringing some clarity and consistency into the way that repeat offenders are treated. The rules arose from the debate generated by the treatment of Marquez throughout the year. The Spaniard received a number of warnings for incidents during the 2012 season, starting at Qatar, and his maneuver which forced Tom Luthi off line, passing through his collision with Pol Espargaro at Barcelona, a collision with Mika Kallio at Motegi, and ending with a penalty for an incident with Simone Corsi at Valencia, where he was forced to start from the back of the grid (the penalty did not slow him up much, he still came through most of the field on the first lap and went on to win the race).
After the incident at Qatar, Marquez was issued a formal warning, which Race Direction referred to informally as a 'yellow card'. That terminology led some, especially outside of the Spanish media, to believe that a following infraction would result in Marquez being suspended for a race - that, after all, is the meaning of a yellow card in soccer, the sport where the terminology is derived from. Marquez never did receive a suspension, and the penalty imposed by Race Direction for his clash with Espargaro was overturned by the FIM Stewards, who viewed the incident in isolation, not taking his previous run-in with Luthi at Qatar into consideration.
The treatment of Marquez - as well as a few other serial transgressors, including riders who had committed serious offenses such as pushing marshals and others - had given the impression that the decisions of Race Direction tended to be rather arbitrary in nature. The very opaque way in which decisions were reached left Race Direction open to charges of inconsistency, and worse, favoritism. It was clear that a much more transparent system was required to manage such infractions, making it clear to everyone where a particular rider stands, and the possible penalty for a subsequent offense.
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/12/20/analyzing_motogp_s_new_rule…
Submitted by David Emmett on Fri, 2015-10-30 15:15
in Honda Yamaha Marc Marquez Valentino Rossi MotoGP Sepang, Malaysia Valencia, Spain
Valentino Rossi has lodged an appeal with the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) against the penalty imposed upon him at Sepang for his role in the incident between Marc Marquez and himself. Rossi has asked the CAS to issue a stay of the penalty, effectively suspending it until the full case can be heard before the court. A ruling on the stay is to be issued by 6th November.
The penalty was imposed on Rossi after he and Marquez collided on lap seven of the Sepang round of MotoGP, causing Marquez to crash. At the time, Race Direction ruled that Rossi was to blame for the crash, and imposed three penalty points on Rossi. That brought his points total to four, meaning that he must start at Valencia from the back of the grid, regardless of the position he obtains in qualifying. Rossi immediately appealed against the penalty to the FIM Stewards, who sit in judgment at every MotoGP round to rule on Race Direction penalties.
With the Race Stewards upholding the Race Direction penalty, Rossi could no longer take his appeal any further within the FIM. However, he did have the possibility to take the case to the CAS, which rules on conflicts between interested parties (usually athletes) and the international federations and governing bodies of sports. Rossi had five days to submit an appeal, deciding to go ahead with the appeal on final day.
Normally, the CAS takes between 6 and 12 months to handle cases, and because it takes so long, Rossi has appealed for a temporary suspension of the penalty, under section R37 of CAS' procedural rules. Under that rule, Rossi can claim that upholding the penalty will cause "irreparable harm" to his MotoGP career and season. Two other factors are also taken into account: firstly, the merits of the claim, and lastly, whether Rossi's interests are greater than those of Race Direction, who imposed the penalty upon him. Under CAS rules, they will have to consult with Race Direction before ruling on whether or not to suspend Rossi's penalty.
The goal of the request for a suspension of the penalty is simple. By having the three-point penalty suspended, Rossi will not have to start from the back of the grid, having collected just a single penalty point outside of Sepang this year. He would start from the position in which he qualifies. If Rossi should then lose the case when the full CAS hearing is held, then the penalty would be applied at the next race after the CAS rules. That would likely be at the earliest in the first part of the 2016 MotoGP season. Theoretically, if Rossi were to retire after his contract expires in 2016, and the CAS take 12 months or more to issue a ruling, Rossi may end up not being penalized at all.
If the request for suspension is denied, then the grid penalty will be applied at Valencia, and Rossi will start from the back of the grid. If he subsequently goes on to win the appeal at the CAS, the penalty points would be subtracted retrospectively. However, given the fact that Rossi would have had to start from the back of the grid, winning the appeal would be meaningless in terms of the 2015 season.
What is the likely outcome of the request for suspension? It is very hard to say. Rossi has a case when he says that being forced to start from the back of the grid would cause him irreparable harm. However, that was precisely the point of Race Direction imposing this penalty, a case they will make for not granting the suspension. That will be the basis of the decision on whether Rossi's interests outweigh Race Direction's, as the penalty was meant to provide a specific punishment. Whether the CAS will decide that Rossi's claim has any merits is not clear. As the original decision of Race Direction was upheld by the FIM Stewards, the balance appears to be against Rossi. The CAS will make a ruling before or on 6th November 2015, in time for qualifying at Valencia.
To simplify the situation, here is a timeline of what has happened, and what happens next:
After the collision at Sepang, Race Direction imposed a penalty of three penalty points on Valentino Rossi.
Those points brought Rossi's total to four, meaning he must start Valencia from the back of the grid.
Rossi appealed against the decision by Race Direction to the FIM Stewards.
The FIM Stewards upheld the decision by Race Direction, meaning that the three penalty points stand.
Rossi has appealed that decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS), who will take between 6 and 12 months to hear the case.
Because the penalty will affect the outcome of the 2015 championship, Rossi has appealed for the penalty to be suspended until the CAS makes its final ruling.
If the CAS suspend the penalty, Rossi will start the Valencia race from the position in which he qualifies.
If the CAS refuse to suspend the penalty, Rossi will start the Valencia race from the back of the grid.
The CAS will give a final ruling on the case once the hearings are finished, at some point 6 to 12 months in the future.
No appeal is possible against the ruling of the CAS, unless at some point, the whole procedure is found to have breached Swiss law.
In a further twist, the CAS rules allow third parties to be involved in the case. Theoretically, that would allow Jorge Lorenzo, or even Marc Marquez to get involved in the case. As the current situation has already devolved into a PR disaster for Yamaha, having Lorenzo involved would only make things worse.
The official press release from the CAS appears below, and underneath that, the press release from the FIM:
FIM MOTOGP CHAMPIONSHIP 2015
VALENTINO ROSSI FILES AN APPEAL AT THE COURT OF ARBITRATION FOR SPORT (CAS)
Lausanne, 30 October 2015 – Italian MotoGP rider Valentino Rossi has filed an appeal at the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) against the FIM Stewards’ decision to impose 3 penalty points on his record following an incident with another rider during the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix race held on 25 October 2015.
The FIM Race Direction found that Mr Rossi deliberately ran wide in order to force the other rider off line, resulting in contact causing the other rider to crash out of the race. For this breach of the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations (the FIM Regulations), the FIM Race Direction imposed 3 penalty points on the rider’s record. Mr Rossi immediately appealed such decision to the FIM Stewards who dismissed the appeal and confirmed the penalty imposed by the FIM Race Direction. Since Valentino Rossi already has 1 penalty point from an earlier incident, this decision brings him to a total of 4 penalty points. On the basis of the FIM Regulations, a rider with 4 penalty points must start the next race from last grid position.
In his appeal to the CAS, Mr Rossi seeks the annulment of the penalty, or at least a reduction from 3 points to 1. Together with his appeal, Mr Rossi has filed an urgent application to stay the execution of the challenged decision in order not to lose his place on the starting grid at the next, and last, event of the season which will be held in Valencia/Spain on 6-8 November 2015.
An arbitration procedure is in progress. A decision on Mr Rossi’s request for a stay is expected to be issued no later than 6 November 2015.
VALENTINO ROSSI APPEALS FIM STEWARDS’ DECISION
Rider Valentino Rossi appeals FIM Stewards’ decision
On the basis of Article 3.4.2, para 3 of the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations, Mr Valentino Rossi has filed an Appeal against the decision taken by the Race Direction of the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix in Sepang, penultimate round of the FIM MotoGP Grand Prix World Championship, and confirmed by the FIM Stewards, to award 3 penalty points to Mr Rossi following an incident on Turn 14.
In appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), Mr Rossi seeks annulment or reduction of the penalty. He further requests stay of execution of the decision in accordance with Article R37 of the Code of Sports-Related Arbitration.
The FIM will not comment any further at this time.
Source:
http://www.tas-cas.org/en/arbitration/code-procedural-rules.html
Login or register to post comments
Comments
Pit Row
A good lawyer should have his way with this - " The FIM Race Direction found that Mr Rossi deliberately ran wide in order to force the other rider off line, resulting in contact causing the other rider to crash out of the race. "
IMO its like saying " there was a crash because you arrived at the race track today erm Go to jail ! " hehe :-)
http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/marquez-involved-in-brawl-as-jour…
MM is an idiot and JL is a fucking crybaby that needs to get his ass handed to him by VR.
They gave VR a big enough penalty to ensure he doesn't win the championship, but not enough for people to say it was way over board.
If I were the boss at Yamaha, VR would be getting a championship bonus.
I'd love to see the fastest Rossi show up at the race and come from last to top 5 or whatever he needs depending on Lorenzo to win the title
Preferably pass the two spaniards in the process (or at least the 93 one)
MM doesn't have the ability to do this - what he can do, is ride faster than Rossi, a point Rossi should have considered before accusing him of cheating in PI.
Honestly, if Rossi could take it back, do you think he would? Probably not. He's loving it that MM has given him an excuse to blame his lost championship on someone else. And divided the MotoGP world into the hatred that you read about all over, even here. Only Rossi has this ability, and he's exercised it.
If he could handle stoner in laguna 08, why can't he handle MM? It's not like hard racing was annoying him then. If Rossi can't stomach the battle on-track with MM without losing his shit, the clearly it's time for him to go.
This is the Rossi I'd prefer to remember:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY9mrKR5SkA
If they came to the U.S. and trespassed and ambushed, say, Colin Edwards and his entourage at his ranch with a "cup of shit" and started throwing bottles around like they did, they likely would have been a lot worse off than in the hospital.
Poor taste, poor timing.
Post a reply to: MotoGP drama....