MotoGP drama....

CeeTee wrote:

Maybe I didnt make the "purpose" part clear enough for you, Rossi stated that he purposely took him wide, that looked like hard racing to me...

Maybe I didnt make the "purpose" part clear enough for you, Rossi stated that he purposely took him wide, that looked like hard racing to me and both going in way too FAST, doesn't mean I agree with it tho. LMFAO....

Not to mention that this is on the last lap and not at the start of a race and this is 2013... LMFAO

CeeTee wrote:

Maybe I didnt make the "purpose" part clear enough for you, Rossi stated that he purposely took him wide, that looked like hard racing to me...

Maybe I didnt make the "purpose" part clear enough for you, Rossi stated that he purposely took him wide, that looked like hard racing to me and both going in way too FAST, doesn't mean I agree with it tho. LMFAO....

Not to mention that this is on the last lap and not at the start of a race and this is 2013... LMFAO

kongols wrote:

I rest my case.

CeeTee wrote:

You dont have a case mate, I said this season as you stated he and others had done it a hundred times this season. Anyways, lets...

You dont have a case mate, I said this season as you stated he and others had done it a hundred times this season.

Anyways, lets just agree to disagree, you have your take on it and I have mine, fact remains that he was found guilty and penalized.

I just hope we see good racing start to finish on the last race without the BS.

seth505 wrote:

Take a look at the bike setup (bars) and tell me if you really think Rossi could have kicked his brake lever in that situation that...

Take a look at the bike setup (bars) and tell me if you really think Rossi could have kicked his brake lever in that situation that fast/precise like MM blabbed about.

cleareforlanding wrote:

I know they run the slider setup at the end of the bars to protect thing in a crash......but it is pretty coincidental that the front...

I know they run the slider setup at the end of the bars to protect thing in a crash......but it is pretty coincidental that the front tucked so hard and quick, at such a slow speed when that leg came off the rear set. I mean the tire has no lean angle on it, no load from speed...and just tucks that fast......hmmmmmm

CeeTee wrote:

You dont have a case mate, I said this season as you stated he and others had done it a hundred times this season. Anyways, lets...

You dont have a case mate, I said this season as you stated he and others had done it a hundred times this season.

Anyways, lets just agree to disagree, you have your take on it and I have mine, fact remains that he was found guilty and penalized.

I just hope we see good racing start to finish on the last race without the BS.

kongols wrote:

Fact remains Rossi was penalized for something that`s not in a rule book. Contact was made by Marquez.

scott_nz wrote:

MM has not done anything wrong that can be proved, he was racing Rossi, and he is allowed to do that, it may be an unwritten...

MM has not done anything wrong that can be proved, he was racing Rossi, and he is allowed to do that, it may be an unwritten law, but those are enforced by the riders, and MM will be battling for a championship again and that may come back to hunt him in the years ahead,

Rossi lost it on the track, by looking at him so many times and forcing MM that far off the racing line, it forced a penalty in my mind, a lot like the Chad Reed penatly (but handled better and like Chad wanted it to be, after the race),

In many other sports, the reaction is often punished more than the original minor offence that caused the rider/player to react,

project racer wrote:

What I saw in the video above, was VR took him a bit wide, maybe a bit of brake checking. I also watched as MM turned...

What I saw in the video above, was VR took him a bit wide, maybe a bit of brake checking. I also watched as MM turned it in, stood it up when he realized Rossi was done playing games, and MM then turns it back into Rossi, when he had plenty of opportunity to stay clear from any contact.

The kid fucked with Papa bear, and got his ass bit. No matter what the outcome of the championship, Rossi will leave a much greater legacy from his career than Marquez can ever hope to.

Pakoyz250f wrote:

Totally right!!

CeeTee wrote:

Here's your fact mate. "On 25th October 2015 during the MotoGP race of the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix, you deliberately ran wide on Turn 14...

Here's your fact mate.

"On 25th October 2015 during the MotoGP race of the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix, you deliberately ran wide on Turn 14 in order to force another rider off line, resulting in contact causing the other rider to crash.

This is considered to be irresponsible riding causing danger to other competitors and is therefore an infringement of Article 1.21.2 of the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations."

CeeTee wrote:

Here's your fact mate. "On 25th October 2015 during the MotoGP race of the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix, you deliberately ran wide on Turn 14...

Here's your fact mate.

"On 25th October 2015 during the MotoGP race of the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix, you deliberately ran wide on Turn 14 in order to force another rider off line, resulting in contact causing the other rider to crash.

This is considered to be irresponsible riding causing danger to other competitors and is therefore an infringement of Article 1.21.2 of the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations."

kongols wrote:

But everyone sees that that it`s not true. Marquez crashed cause he turned and accelerated in to Rossi, no? https://youtu.be/z3u3DpmL8GM Here you also can see Marques...

But everyone sees that that it`s not true. Marquez crashed cause he turned and accelerated in to Rossi, no?


https://youtu.be/z3u3DpmL8GM

Here you also can see Marques on "purpose" taking away Rossi line, no? And also you can see Rossi take away Maques line on "purpose, no?

RG1 wrote:

I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard...

I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard, they both did, but that's the exact reaction that Rossi should have expected. If Rossi hadn't have said anything in the press conference then this wouldn't have happened. Anyone who says that MM could have easily pulled away from Rossi is kidding themselves, there is absolutely nothing to prove this, it's just an opinion. I can understand why Rossi was pissed, but I can also understand why Marquez rode the way he did. People need to understand that this was 2 guys who dislike each other, going to war and both being as bad as each other. Not Marquez being totally at fault and Rossi a helpless victim as many people choose to see it

I also agree that the petition is a total waste of time. The stewards don't need to see a petition to know that people will be disappointed by this decision, it's obvious, but they did what they had to do. Public opinion is not going to change their decision, it would set a very bad precedent to remove a penalty purely based on popularity

kiwifan wrote:

Yup, nicely said

just.another.nickname wrote:

I'm not blinded by [i]anything[/i], as I'm not a MotoGP follower or a fan of [i]any[/i] specific rider! How anyone doesn't see that MM running his...

I'm not blinded by anything, as I'm not a MotoGP follower or a fan of any specific rider! How anyone doesn't see that MM running his bike into VR is what caused the crash is beyond explanation.

mmcmx wrote:

Damn I always disliked Marquez and simpatized with Rossi but you guys are changing me. Same thing with Stewart, every time I read a Kongols post...

Damn I always disliked Marquez and simpatized with Rossi but you guys are changing me.

Same thing with Stewart, every time I read a Kongols post I dislike him more hahah

Rewindcaz wrote:

It was "[i]hard racing up until the point where Rossi ran him out wide[/i]" Really? You should rewatch the race. Marquez would pass Rossi, then cruise...

It was "hard racing up until the point where Rossi ran him out wide"

Really? You should rewatch the race. Marquez would pass Rossi, then cruise, then pass Rossi, then cruise... And his passing was unnecessarily close to Rossi, forcing him to focus on not crashing instead of racing fast. That's not hard racing, that's messing with someone.

c_dub wrote:

Are you serious? So because of words, WORDS, said at a press conference MM is justified in his actions? Because of something said at a press...

Are you serious? So because of words, WORDS, said at a press conference MM is justified in his actions? Because of something said at a press conference? GTFOH!

Let's see....spoken words said at a press conference vs. tangible threatening actions on a race course at speed possibly ending in serious injury? Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me......

RG1 wrote:

You see what you want to see. I didn't see anywhere where you could definitively say that Marquez had cruised so that Rossi would pass him...

You see what you want to see. I didn't see anywhere where you could definitively say that Marquez had cruised so that Rossi would pass him back. It's virtually impossible to say that from what we saw on screen, and lap times and sector times don't indicate anything to that end either. To say that Marquez was deliberately going slower to mess with Rossi, or that he was easily fast enough to be at the front is stupid, there's absolutely nothing to say that that is the case. Marquez even said before and after the race that he would struggle at the beginning because the bike does not work as well with a heavier fuel load, but it would come to him at the end

motogrady wrote:

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides, how 46 should be sat...

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides,
how 46 should be sat down blah blah blah.

This quote off another forum 'bout sums it up in one guys opinion.

"I was talking to an Irish friend who lives in Spain. He was telling me Spain wants and will have a world champion. They can't get one in Moto 2 or 3. It wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ came down from the heavens appealed for Rossi. Or even if Rossi won the race and Lorenzo fell off. Lorenzo is going to be the champ."

motogrady wrote:

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides, how 46 should be sat...

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides,
how 46 should be sat down blah blah blah.

This quote off another forum 'bout sums it up in one guys opinion.

"I was talking to an Irish friend who lives in Spain. He was telling me Spain wants and will have a world champion. They can't get one in Moto 2 or 3. It wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ came down from the heavens appealed for Rossi. Or even if Rossi won the race and Lorenzo fell off. Lorenzo is going to be the champ."

motogrady wrote:

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides, how 46 should be sat...

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides,
how 46 should be sat down blah blah blah.

This quote off another forum 'bout sums it up in one guys opinion.

"I was talking to an Irish friend who lives in Spain. He was telling me Spain wants and will have a world champion. They can't get one in Moto 2 or 3. It wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ came down from the heavens appealed for Rossi. Or even if Rossi won the race and Lorenzo fell off. Lorenzo is going to be the champ."

mmcmx wrote:

bullshit

kongols wrote:

Show me FIM rule that says you can`t use all the track and have to stay on a "racing" line? Marques was behind and it was...

Show me FIM rule that says you can`t use all the track and have to stay on a "racing" line? Marques was behind and it was up to him to slow down. He did the opposite. Why was Rossi penalized? Where is a racing line? Is it marked on a track?

scott_nz wrote:

rules don't tell you what you can do, just what you can't, so I can't prove either way what you are asking, any reason no one...

rules don't tell you what you can do, just what you can't, so I can't prove either way what you are asking,

any reason no one is upset with Ianone racing Rossi hard at Phillip Island, you know because you are not ment to race the championship contenders

and here is Mike Webb explaining why Rossi got penalised

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224594/1/motogp-race-director-explains…

motogrady wrote:

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides, how 46 should be sat...

I read the media in Spain is all about poor MM, how he was put in danger, how reckless Rossi rides,
how 46 should be sat down blah blah blah.

This quote off another forum 'bout sums it up in one guys opinion.

"I was talking to an Irish friend who lives in Spain. He was telling me Spain wants and will have a world champion. They can't get one in Moto 2 or 3. It wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ came down from the heavens appealed for Rossi. Or even if Rossi won the race and Lorenzo fell off. Lorenzo is going to be the champ."

mmcmx wrote:

bullshit

RG1 wrote:

Yep

motogrady wrote:

Ha, I'll tell you what is bullshit, MM saying he pulled up and then Rossi kicked him. That's a bald face fucking lie. Anyone, anyone that...

Ha, I'll tell you what is bullshit, MM saying he pulled up and then Rossi kicked him.
That's a bald face fucking lie.
Anyone, anyone that watches the vids see's the midget hang right beside and half a bike behind 46.
93 grabs a handful of throttle, puts his head down and rams into Rossi.
He saw what was up, Rossi was done playing, and as we say here in The States took one for the team.

Fuck MM and Honda, and the paper champ to be crying Lorenzo.

RG1 wrote:

Don't cry bud it's all going to be okay

shanes wrote:

the first post i have read in this thread that does have rossi tin foil hat on . thursday press conference rossi starts attacking marc and...

the first post i have read in this thread that does have rossi tin foil hat on .

thursday press conference rossi starts attacking marc and makes it personal for no reason .

last weekends race , Marc passes lorenzo with 2 corners to go , taking 5 points off him , Ianonne passes Rossi on the last lap taking point off Rossi . How is Marc helping Lorenzo ???

the race , marc looses the front and runs wide lorenzo goes through , next lap the same corner he runs wide again but not as wide but rossi goes through , then starts the tit for tat with both of them passing just about every other corner with some great racing for spectators , until rossi run up the inside closes the throttle and aims at the out side of the track to run marc off on purpose . when someone goes up the inside of you you back out of the throttle and turn back up the inside of them like rossi did a lap or 2 earlier , but when the person slows down and keeps aiming at the outside of the track what do you do .

what rossi did was try to run marc off the track on purpose this according to the rules is not allowed , up until that point no rules had been broken , rossi broke the rules causing the crash and was penalised for it , any other rider in the paddock would have got a black flag so he got off lightly .

if he looses the world championship now he has no one to blame but himself , he has always played mind games with the riders over the years getting in their heads and messing them up this time it has bitten him in the arse .

people can jump up and down all they want simple fact is he broke the rules what he did was illegal , facts are facts

motogrady wrote:

Ha, I'll tell you what is bullshit, MM saying he pulled up and then Rossi kicked him. That's a bald face fucking lie. Anyone, anyone that...

Ha, I'll tell you what is bullshit, MM saying he pulled up and then Rossi kicked him.
That's a bald face fucking lie.
Anyone, anyone that watches the vids see's the midget hang right beside and half a bike behind 46.
93 grabs a handful of throttle, puts his head down and rams into Rossi.
He saw what was up, Rossi was done playing, and as we say here in The States took one for the team.

Fuck MM and Honda, and the paper champ to be crying Lorenzo.

RG1 wrote:

Don't cry bud it's all going to be okay