How about that "B Team"

Essential 9/27/2015 11:43am
9/27/2015 11:43am
Surly100 wrote:
I don't think there's any doubt that the U.S. has the greatest strength in depth of any individual country. But the population is like 320m, which...
I don't think there's any doubt that the U.S. has the greatest strength in depth of any individual country.

But the population is like 320m, which is greater than the populations of France, Germany, the Netherlands, the U.K., Italy and Belgium combined.

And imagine if those all joined together to form a European super state. They could put out at least 5 world class teams. I.E.:

A Team

MXGP: Cairoli
Open Class: Febvre
MX2: Herlings

B Team

MXGP: Roczen
Open Class: Desalle
MX2: Musquin

C Team

MXGP: Nagl
Open Class: Strijbos
MX2: Ferrandis

D Team

MXGP: Van Horebeek
Open Class: Paulin
MX2: Tixier

E Team

MXGP: Simpson
Open Class: Wilson
MX2: Searle

The talent would be unreal. But of course, if my auntie had b*lls she would be my uncle, and that's not where we are.

Would still *love* to see some sort of GPs Vs AMA shoot-out though, in a Ryder Cup style format.
Individual country works just fine for the Olympics, so I don't get why we should do it different for this race.
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Surly100 9/27/2015 12:04pm
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Essential wrote:
Individual country works just fine for the Olympics, so I don't get why we should do it different for this race.
Me neither. The Nations format works just fine as it is.

But i'd just like to see more occasions where the world's best riders are competing against each other. As it is, they're split over two different series', and only ride against each other once a year - selection, fitness, and desire to actually participate allowing.

An AMA Vs GPs event would help give us more of that.

Would it not be fascinating watching an in form Tomac taking on an in form Cairoli? An in form Martin taking on an in form Herlings? An in form Dungey taking on an in form Febvre?

Just a pipe dream I guess, but the GP last weekend, today's motos, and the huge buzz caused by Villopoto's brief cameo in the GPs shows how intense, exciting and entertaining the racing could be.
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RichardLoots wrote:
Stewart and Villopoto ?? really ?? :laugh: :laugh: i would call that youre B team , since they both were out for many months prior to...
Stewart and Villopoto ?? really ?? Laughing Laughing i would call that youre B team , since they both were out for many months prior to this MXON
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Correct, Stewie ain't racin' outdoors, people need to get over it... I don't care what his contract says, he's going to be 30 and needs a...
Correct, Stewie ain't racin' outdoors, people need to get over it... I don't care what his contract says, he's going
to be 30 and needs a RV, Nurse & IV for motocross... Supercross is staying in a hotel, cooler temps, and 15 minute
moto...
Listen JR, I have read a lot of dumb ass shit on here but your Bubba comments might take the cake. Keep your dumb ass ideas to yourself. You understand... K good.
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Motocross83 wrote:
Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him. I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other...
Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him.

I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other countries face in competing against the USA. I have no doubt that the C team would be pretty damn frightening too. With that said you can only race what's there, and on this occasion France were definitely the favourites and should've won. America getting as close as they did was impressive, and individually they adapted to the track very well and beat a lot of good riders. There's absolutely nothing, nothing at all, to feel down about.
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I don't think there's any doubt that the U.S. has the greatest strength in depth of any individual country. But the population is like 320m, which...
I don't think there's any doubt that the U.S. has the greatest strength in depth of any individual country.

But the population is like 320m, which is greater than the populations of France, Germany, the Netherlands, the U.K., Italy and Belgium combined.

And imagine if those all joined together to form a European super state. They could put out at least 5 world class teams. I.E.:

A Team

MXGP: Cairoli
Open Class: Febvre
MX2: Herlings

B Team

MXGP: Roczen
Open Class: Desalle
MX2: Musquin

C Team

MXGP: Nagl
Open Class: Strijbos
MX2: Ferrandis

D Team

MXGP: Van Horebeek
Open Class: Paulin
MX2: Tixier

E Team

MXGP: Simpson
Open Class: Wilson
MX2: Searle

The talent would be unreal. But of course, if my auntie had b*lls she would be my uncle, and that's not where we are.

Would still *love* to see some sort of GPs Vs AMA shoot-out though, in a Ryder Cup style format.
Give me Roczen any day of the week over Febvre. He is on the very short list of guys that can win indoors and out anywhere in the world. Next year hopefully he can be healthy all year.

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Park Boys wrote:
Give me Roczen any day of the week over Febvre. He is on the very short list of guys that can win indoors and out anywhere...
Give me Roczen any day of the week over Febvre. He is on the very short list of guys that can win indoors and out anywhere in the world. Next year hopefully he can be healthy all year.
Yeah, Roczen could easily be on the A team. As good as anyone in the world when he's on it.
Essential 9/27/2015 12:16pm
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Essential wrote:
Individual country works just fine for the Olympics, so I don't get why we should do it different for this race.
Surly100 wrote:
Me neither. The Nations format works just fine as it is. But i'd just like to see more occasions where the world's best riders are competing...
Me neither. The Nations format works just fine as it is.

But i'd just like to see more occasions where the world's best riders are competing against each other. As it is, they're split over two different series', and only ride against each other once a year - selection, fitness, and desire to actually participate allowing.

An AMA Vs GPs event would help give us more of that.

Would it not be fascinating watching an in form Tomac taking on an in form Cairoli? An in form Martin taking on an in form Herlings? An in form Dungey taking on an in form Febvre?

Just a pipe dream I guess, but the GP last weekend, today's motos, and the huge buzz caused by Villopoto's brief cameo in the GPs shows how intense, exciting and entertaining the racing could be.
Would it not be fascinating watching an in form Tomac taking on an in form Cairoli? An in form Martin taking on an in form Herlings? An in form Dungey taking on an in form Febvre?

It's a major pipe dream because even if you somehow get past the sponsorship conflicts and the promoter conflict all the stars must align correctly for everyone to be healthy. We had a USGP and even then most of the guys that were not forced to race stayed home.
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
Anyone who said they were a B team doesnt know what they are talking about. I think both Coop and Barcia rode better than Dungey has...
Anyone who said they were a B team doesnt know what they are talking about. I think both Coop and Barcia rode better than Dungey has the last few years, only Tomac would have been better than the three we had.
That's just stupid. You can't compare coop or barcia to dungey. I like coop and barcia but dungey has accomplished more in this sport than they will both accomplish combined most likely.
TripleFive 9/27/2015 12:27pm
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RichardLoots wrote:
so you lost and its back to B team ? come on , its never been a B team , it was the best possible team...
so you lost and its back to B team ? come on , its never been a B team , it was the best possible team and they proved it ...look at Webb , rookie in MXON and on a 450 and he was great ..better results as Dungey had in last years MXONS .... Barcia won his first moto , Martin on the 250 was awesome ....they had great starts in first 2 moto's , 3 moto they didnt .... if they had , i think they would have won it ........ so stop the B team crap please
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"Best possible team."

It was impossible for Dungey to race?
RichardLoots wrote:
Dungey wasnt an option , as he decided not to go this year ...........so he was an impossible option ..true
Oh I get it.

By your logic every team always sends the best possible team, right?

The team that raced today was also the best possible team that the US could have put together because no other US riders made the flight over to France.
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pdub187 9/27/2015 12:28pm
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It's pretty piss weak and disrespectful that you're the one calling these guys a b-team when they absolutely charged it and got great results. Wanker.
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Kartwheel84c wrote:
Anyone who said they were a B team doesnt know what they are talking about. I think both Coop and Barcia rode better than Dungey has...
Anyone who said they were a B team doesnt know what they are talking about. I think both Coop and Barcia rode better than Dungey has the last few years, only Tomac would have been better than the three we had.
agn5009 wrote:
That's just stupid. You can't compare coop or barcia to dungey. I like coop and barcia but dungey has accomplished more in this sport than they...
That's just stupid. You can't compare coop or barcia to dungey. I like coop and barcia but dungey has accomplished more in this sport than they will both accomplish combined most likely.
Did you see RDs last few MXDNs? Barcia rode like a champ. Coop did pretty good too. When was the last time Dungey anchored a MXDN team and won a moto? Or his class?
RichardLoots 9/27/2015 12:31pm
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TripleFive wrote:
"Best possible team."

It was impossible for Dungey to race?
RichardLoots wrote:
Dungey wasnt an option , as he decided not to go this year ...........so he was an impossible option ..true
TripleFive wrote:
Oh I get it. By your logic every team always sends the best possible team, right? The team that raced today was also the best possible...
Oh I get it.

By your logic every team always sends the best possible team, right?

The team that raced today was also the best possible team that the US could have put together because no other US riders made the flight over to France.
youre logic seems to be out of this world ...... Pffff go troll youre wife or so Tongue Tongue getting tired of this shit ...
ReggieWarrenJr 9/27/2015 12:33pm
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Word on the street from an inside source is that the Americans' gates were RIGGED for the final moto. Is it a mere coincidence that Webb and Barcia were lights out on starts all weekend, but in the final moto they BOTH happened to get a terrible "jump" off the gate. #Bushdid911
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Webb ripped starts and charged harder than Dungey,the guy didn't want to do it for whatever reasons,previous events must have factored into his decision

At the end of the day there was hardly anything between Webb and Barcia,only Tomac would've been a potentially better choice
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ReggieWarrenJr wrote:
Word on the street from an inside source is that the Americans' gates were [b]RIGGED[/b] for the final moto. Is it a mere coincidence that Webb...
Word on the street from an inside source is that the Americans' gates were RIGGED for the final moto. Is it a mere coincidence that Webb and Barcia were lights out on starts all weekend, but in the final moto they BOTH happened to get a terrible "jump" off the gate. #Bushdid911
Yes... Yes... Obama rigged it because he was born in France...
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Listen JR, I have read a lot of dumb ass shit on here but your Bubba comments might take the cake. Keep your dumb ass ideas...
Listen JR, I have read a lot of dumb ass shit on here but your Bubba comments might take the cake. Keep your dumb ass ideas to yourself. You understand... K good.
Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings... My opinion is James will not race 29 to 31 races in 2016...
Good luck in all you do...
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djdesignsco.mx wrote:
pretty crazy our B Team is that good. What if we brought over Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey.....
Ah I see now. We are going to PRETEND we had a different team that we did not send. Makes sense.
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djdesignsco.mx wrote:
pretty crazy our B Team is that good. What if we brought over Stewart, Villopoto and Dungey.....
Im a big stewart fan but really? You think stewart today being away from racing outdoors for so long would have been a better choice than any of the guys racing today? No fricking way.. Dungey would not have done better either. And villopoto is not racing anymore. Your team was awesome today. A healthy tomac would have been great for the us team ofc. But he is injured. Just as alot of the mxgp guys are.. Barcia,webb and martin did great.
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pdub187 wrote:
It's pretty piss weak and disrespectful that you're the one calling these guys a b-team when they absolutely charged it and got great results. Wanker.
my thoughts too. had our guys had better starts that last moto ? well whos to say what would have happened. not sure they could have beat febvre but probably both would have been in front of paulin. still a good effort for both teams

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Sorry that was a B team when you have a 250 rider on a 450 instead of Ryan Villopoto or Eli Tomac. Are you seriously going...
Sorry that was a B team when you have a 250 rider on a 450 instead of Ryan Villopoto or Eli Tomac. Are you seriously going to argue that a kid on a 450 his 2nd race ever at Des NAtions isnt a disadvantage(no matter how good Coop is) over Tomac or Villo?
Coop did better today than RV have done all year, exept from Thailand.. RV is done, and Steward would have done no better.. Sorry but thats the truth. Tomac is injuried, so is KR, TC, CD, JH and a whole lot of others, no one know how it would have turned out if all where helthy.. But they are not, every country send the best they had including USA. Get over it, stop the excuses.
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Surly100 wrote:
I don't think there's any doubt that the U.S. has the greatest strength in depth of any individual country. But the population is like 320m, which...
I don't think there's any doubt that the U.S. has the greatest strength in depth of any individual country.

But the population is like 320m, which is greater than the populations of France, Germany, the Netherlands, the U.K., Italy and Belgium combined.

And imagine if those all joined together to form a European super state. They could put out at least 5 world class teams. I.E.:

A Team

MXGP: Cairoli
Open Class: Febvre
MX2: Herlings

B Team

MXGP: Roczen
Open Class: Desalle
MX2: Musquin

C Team

MXGP: Nagl
Open Class: Strijbos
MX2: Ferrandis

D Team

MXGP: Van Horebeek
Open Class: Paulin
MX2: Tixier

E Team

MXGP: Simpson
Open Class: Wilson
MX2: Searle

The talent would be unreal. But of course, if my auntie had b*lls she would be my uncle, and that's not where we are.

Would still *love* to see some sort of GPs Vs AMA shoot-out though, in a Ryder Cup style format.
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Individual country works just fine for the Olympics, so I don't get why we should do it different for this race.
Individual country. The MXDN to moto is the World Cup to Football. Traditions have their place like MXDN.
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ChrisB10 wrote:
Sorry that was a B team when you have a 250 rider on a 450 instead of Ryan Villopoto or Eli Tomac. Are you seriously going...
Sorry that was a B team when you have a 250 rider on a 450 instead of Ryan Villopoto or Eli Tomac. Are you seriously going to argue that a kid on a 450 his 2nd race ever at Des NAtions isnt a disadvantage(no matter how good Coop is) over Tomac or Villo?
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Coop did better today than RV have done all year, exept from Thailand.. RV is done, and Steward would have done no better.. Sorry but thats...
Coop did better today than RV have done all year, exept from Thailand.. RV is done, and Steward would have done no better.. Sorry but thats the truth. Tomac is injuried, so is KR, TC, CD, JH and a whole lot of others, no one know how it would have turned out if all where helthy.. But they are not, every country send the best they had including USA. Get over it, stop the excuses.
Team USA was awesome and had a serious chance of winning the MXDN. Our riders fuck the start up in Moto 3. Its racing.

That said, none of our riders can beat a motivated healthy Stew. You can take that to bank jack.
ButteryWaffles 9/27/2015 2:02pm
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I don't think any other team could have done better. I missed the first moto but did champion JMart show up or did he kind of drop the ball this year?
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DP#201 9/27/2015 2:16pm
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Team USA was awesome and had a serious chance of winning the MXDN. Our riders fuck the start up in Moto 3. Its racing. That said...
Team USA was awesome and had a serious chance of winning the MXDN. Our riders fuck the start up in Moto 3. Its racing.

That said, none of our riders can beat a motivated healthy Stew. You can take that to bank jack.
When have Steward last showed greatness and consistansy? He has become a 4-5 place finisher outdoor. Yes he was great, but not so much more, and after 18 months breake, i cant see him do any better than the 3 guys you did send. Be proud of your team, they did great but came up just short in the end.
Kartwheel84c 9/27/2015 2:24pm
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Anyone who said they were a B team doesnt know what they are talking about. I think both Coop and Barcia rode better than Dungey has...
Anyone who said they were a B team doesnt know what they are talking about. I think both Coop and Barcia rode better than Dungey has the last few years, only Tomac would have been better than the three we had.
agn5009 wrote:
That's just stupid. You can't compare coop or barcia to dungey. I like coop and barcia but dungey has accomplished more in this sport than they...
That's just stupid. You can't compare coop or barcia to dungey. I like coop and barcia but dungey has accomplished more in this sport than they will both accomplish combined most likely.
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Did you see RDs last few MXDNs? Barcia rode like a champ. Coop did pretty good too. When was the last time Dungey anchored a MXDN...
Did you see RDs last few MXDNs? Barcia rode like a champ. Coop did pretty good too. When was the last time Dungey anchored a MXDN team and won a moto? Or his class?
Exactly. I was not commenting on Dungey's season or career, which stands on its own, I was commenting on the last three MX0Ns he competed in and his finishes compared to what Coop did today. It is a fact that Cooper, as a rookie on the 450, significantly outperformed Dungey's results of the last three years which have been lackluster at best.
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I don't think any other team could have done better. I missed the first moto but did champion JMart show up or did he kind of...
I don't think any other team could have done better. I missed the first moto but did champion JMart show up or did he kind of drop the ball this year?
JMart showed up but* MM rode on his head.
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Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him. I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other...
Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him.

I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other countries face in competing against the USA. I have no doubt that the C team would be pretty damn frightening too. With that said you can only race what's there, and on this occasion France were definitely the favourites and should've won. America getting as close as they did was impressive, and individually they adapted to the track very well and beat a lot of good riders. There's absolutely nothing, nothing at all, to feel down about.
Dungey refused to race. That makes him a panty-waste little bitch in my eyes. I'm glad he didn't go, we don't need bitches on the team anyway.
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Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him. I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other...
Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him.

I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other countries face in competing against the USA. I have no doubt that the C team would be pretty damn frightening too. With that said you can only race what's there, and on this occasion France were definitely the favourites and should've won. America getting as close as they did was impressive, and individually they adapted to the track very well and beat a lot of good riders. There's absolutely nothing, nothing at all, to feel down about.
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Dungey refused to race. That makes him a panty-waste little bitch in my eyes. I'm glad he didn't go, we don't need bitches on the team...
Dungey refused to race. That makes him a panty-waste little bitch in my eyes. I'm glad he didn't go, we don't need bitches on the team anyway.
So the guy that just won the two most prestigious race series in the world is a panty waste? Wow, just wow!
Did your parents have any kids that lived?
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Motocross83 wrote:
Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him. I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other...
Dungey refused to race, so it was impossible to choose him.

I think it was America's B team but that sort of highlights the challenge other countries face in competing against the USA. I have no doubt that the C team would be pretty damn frightening too. With that said you can only race what's there, and on this occasion France were definitely the favourites and should've won. America getting as close as they did was impressive, and individually they adapted to the track very well and beat a lot of good riders. There's absolutely nothing, nothing at all, to feel down about.
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Dungey refused to race. That makes him a panty-waste little bitch in my eyes. I'm glad he didn't go, we don't need bitches on the team...
Dungey refused to race. That makes him a panty-waste little bitch in my eyes. I'm glad he didn't go, we don't need bitches on the team anyway.
Yeah What a Bitch, yeah rabble rabble here ye here ye. Dont need no bitches yeah
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U.S. had the best team on the track. In front of a hostile crowd, on a track none of them have EVER ridden before, and the...
U.S. had the best team on the track. In front of a hostile crowd, on a track none of them have EVER ridden before, and the French riders had ridden MANY times, on a different continent 8 time zones out of their own, chasing the French down and passing them and coming up just short with 2 terrible starts in the last moto.

They rode like the fighters and champions they all are. Very proud of them.
Hell yes!!...they rode like bad asses, So freakin proud of them this year!
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Sorry that was a B team when you have a 250 rider on a 450 instead of Ryan Villopoto or Eli Tomac. Are you seriously going...
Sorry that was a B team when you have a 250 rider on a 450 instead of Ryan Villopoto or Eli Tomac. Are you seriously going to argue that a kid on a 450 his 2nd race ever at Des NAtions isnt a disadvantage(no matter how good Coop is) over Tomac or Villo?
DP#201 wrote:
Coop did better today than RV have done all year, exept from Thailand.. RV is done, and Steward would have done no better.. Sorry but thats...
Coop did better today than RV have done all year, exept from Thailand.. RV is done, and Steward would have done no better.. Sorry but thats the truth. Tomac is injuried, so is KR, TC, CD, JH and a whole lot of others, no one know how it would have turned out if all where helthy.. But they are not, every country send the best they had including USA. Get over it, stop the excuses.
bd wrote:
Team USA was awesome and had a serious chance of winning the MXDN. Our riders fuck the start up in Moto 3. Its racing. That said...
Team USA was awesome and had a serious chance of winning the MXDN. Our riders fuck the start up in Moto 3. Its racing.

That said, none of our riders can beat a motivated healthy Stew. You can take that to bank jack.
You are high on drugs lol.

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