Supercross helps or hurts USA MX riders ?

Jose Espana 8/14/2015 1:06am
8/14/2015 1:06am
jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
Your last 2 posts are the biggest pile of shit I have ever read , typical Yank wanker
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RandyS wrote:
SX tracks of the 70s, 80s and early 90s were a lot slower, more stop and go, and more diverse. Today's track are the same things...
SX tracks of the 70s, 80s and early 90s were a lot slower, more stop and go, and more diverse. Today's track are the same things in a slightly different configuration. Daytona was the last holdout of any resemblance of the European motocross tracks which many of the GP tracks are still based on. Not a lot of difference between some of the SX tracks and some of the outdoor tracks now, just larger versions. Put all the MXoNs on the US tracks and the USA teams would win virtually every one.
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simson got 4th at the wk end . first time out .if you dont think AC222, Nagl ,Desaile etc could nt win any time in the...
simson got 4th at the wk end . first time out .if you dont think AC222, Nagl ,Desaile etc could nt win any time in the US your mad.the french team could beat the on US tracks
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Dude , you are fucking retarded if you believe that. If our top guys are healthy and racing , there isn't a GP guy on this...
Dude , you are fucking retarded if you believe that. If our top guys are healthy and racing , there isn't a GP guy on this planet that would run with guys like RD , RV ( before he retired ) , Tomac , Stewart , Canard , ect here.

We go over there and make a race out of it. Those guys come here and race our best , you are fucking insane if you think they could run with the top guys here.

Unadilla is a GP style track , and possibly Washougal as well. That would be there best shot. I think what Simpson did was badass for sure , but Christ man , 85% of our top guys are either sitting on the bench , recently retired or injured.
While I agree with most of the posts you make, I gotta call up here.

A healthy AC222, and on form Nagl and definitely fit JH84 could definitely run up front with your top guys.

Over a whole AMA season? Yeah sure, RD would probably come out on top, but I am damn sure the GP riders would take a few overalls along the way.

MXDN perhaps isn't the fairest example, but it's the only one we got, and as far as pace goes, the top GP riders are usually pretty on par with your guys.

All of the top guys in the sport are pretty damn handy on a dirtbike, and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Let's see how some U.S guys do at USGP...
RichardLoots 8/14/2015 3:36am
8/14/2015 3:36am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2015 3:38am
jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

this thread was so good and respectful from both sides , until you came along with youre load of BS ........
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jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
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Your last 2 posts are the biggest pile of shit I have ever read , typical Yank wanker
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The GP guys can make a living only racing outdoor motocross. That is not the case with the US Nationals. Until that is possible the gap...
The GP guys can make a living only racing outdoor motocross. That is not the case with the US Nationals. Until that is possible the gap will continue to widen in the GP's favor. Another factor as mentioned is the us tracks are all ripped and watered. The native soil of the locations are altered. Red Bud was as hard pack as Carlsbad but is now almost a sand track. Watch a High Point atv national youtube - the track is blue groove hard pack. We don't have any natural deep sand tracks. There is very little track diversity between geographical locations. That is not motocross.
Only a few of them can make a living out of it. Most of them have to pay big $$$ to get a ride
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jeffro503 8/14/2015 8:03am
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jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
RichardLoots wrote:
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again :laugh: :laugh...
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

this thread was so good and respectful from both sides , until you came along with youre load of BS ........
What I'm saying is , How do we know if they never try?

It is exactly the same thing as what American's thought when RV went over isn't it? Lots of people thought he was just going to kill everyone over there. The roles are reversed when one of the fast GP guys come over here.

I've got a ton of respect for all those top GP guys. And what I said was perfectly true , as we have had multiple world champs come over here and run the whole series. Some do good , some don't.

Oh and Jose , you can go suck a big fat one.
RichardLoots 8/14/2015 8:30am
8/14/2015 8:30am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2015 8:32am
im not talking about dominate or what , just the possibility of winning a race in the USA .... same as RV won that moto in Thailand n his first year .... to be a full title contender it takes time , agree .. but a lot of euros have adapted and won titles in the USA , look at Roczen .Came over in 2012 , was SX champ in 2013 and MX in 2014 ... its basically only SX where they dont have any experience
...but to win a MX moto or overall , Herlings ,Cairoli are most def capable of doing that anyday , anytime ...
indecisivepanda 8/14/2015 8:35am
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Julian wrote:
History Lesson: years ago EVERYBODY was saying that it was SX that had honed the skills of the USA riders and had enabled them to start...
History Lesson:

years ago EVERYBODY was saying that it was SX that had honed the skills of the USA riders and had enabled them to start winning the MXDN year after year............

Now I hear on PulpMX from the experts that it is actually SX that has hurt the USA riders and allowed the Euros to start beating them.

So what is it guys?

you can't have it both ways.......
I don't think it's the sx tracks, I think it's our OUTDOOR tracks that have hindered our riders.
indecisivepanda 8/14/2015 8:38am
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jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
RichardLoots wrote:
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again :laugh: :laugh...
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

this thread was so good and respectful from both sides , until you came along with youre load of BS ........
First Cairoli and Herlings would have to grow a pair of balls and come race here. I doubt that is going to happen. Could they win races? Sure. Would they dominate like they do back home? I doubt it.
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TV has hurt our outdoor series. Back in the day guys came to a national and they got a lot more time on a track that was not nearly as groomed. We had tracks in our series that were hard packed, sand, with more natural layouts and in general diverse. Now every track is prepped basically the same. It's groundhogs day ever sat only the riders wake up in a different zip code. We went to a Sat only schedule because the teams wanted it(so we are told) and now there is one less day of practice, setting up and racing. We can't have dust because of TV so every track is prepped accordingly. The SHOW is great. Watching it live at Home is great. Has it helped our riders outdoor skills? Has it helped our riders make a better living? It's changed the game! For better or worse depends on where you're sitting!
We still have guys that are every bit as fast outdoors as anyone in the world. we have more guys racing the Nationals that would be competitive in the GP's than the GP's have that would be competitive in SX. The move of American dirt bike racing to SX is just a microcosm of our society.
Jose Espana 8/14/2015 9:24am
8/14/2015 9:24am Edited Date/Time 8/14/2015 9:51am
jeffro503 wrote:
What I'm saying is , How do we know if they never try? It is exactly the same thing as what American's thought when RV went...
What I'm saying is , How do we know if they never try?

It is exactly the same thing as what American's thought when RV went over isn't it? Lots of people thought he was just going to kill everyone over there. The roles are reversed when one of the fast GP guys come over here.

I've got a ton of respect for all those top GP guys. And what I said was perfectly true , as we have had multiple world champs come over here and run the whole series. Some do good , some don't.

Oh and Jose , you can go suck a big fat one.
Jeffro , you seemed to have toned down the “ chest thumping “ in that last post , so allow me to explain why I was quick to pick you up on your last efforts , then I will gladly suck a big fat one .

This is what you said ,

[b]there isn't a GP guy on this planet that would run with guys like RD , RV ( before he retired ) , Tomac , Stewart , Canard , ect here.[/b]

Really , C,mon now do you honestly think any of the current top GP riders would not be able to run the pace in the US , guys like Cairoli , Desalle , Nagl would have no trouble in being right on the front running pace .
Desalle has already been over and went 2 , 2 , in a one off ride , so if that’s not running the pace then fuck knows what is ?

What about that other GP rider who came across , whats his name ? Oh yeah Ken Roczen , he didn,t have much trouble in getting up to speed did he ? , Just remind me again who your current 450 champ is ?


[i] We go over there and make a race out of it. Those guys come here and race our best , you are fucking insane if you think they could run with the top guys here. [/i]

OK , lets have a look at the 2 last guys to swap over on each side ,

RV, s first GP effort was 9 , 8 , but Shaun Simpsons first AMA effort was 4 , 8 , that tells me all I really need to know , and that’s without going into the other circumstances , that makes Shauns result even more outstanding than Ryans . I think Shaun made more of a race of it than RV , don't you ? And the least said about Mike Alessi,s efforts in his GP rides this year the better !


[b]Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.[/b]

OK , lets do that shall we ,

Roczen , Pourcel , Musquin , Tortelli , Bayle , Pichon , Dobb , Rattray , Townley just to name a couple , have all switched from the GP series to ride the AMA nationals , and guess what ? All of those guys have won !!

Now how could that have happened if no GP guy can ever run the same pace as the leading US riders ?


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jeffro503 wrote:
What I'm saying is , How do we know if they never try? It is exactly the same thing as what American's thought when RV went...
What I'm saying is , How do we know if they never try?

It is exactly the same thing as what American's thought when RV went over isn't it? Lots of people thought he was just going to kill everyone over there. The roles are reversed when one of the fast GP guys come over here.

I've got a ton of respect for all those top GP guys. And what I said was perfectly true , as we have had multiple world champs come over here and run the whole series. Some do good , some don't.

Oh and Jose , you can go suck a big fat one.
The roles arent reversed. I dont see anyone posting that Caroli would win by 30 seconds. That kind of stupid shit was posted by you. You have already proven you dont know squat about GP racing. Your opinion is pure entertainment.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
RichardLoots wrote:
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again :laugh: :laugh...
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

this thread was so good and respectful from both sides , until you came along with youre load of BS ........
Jeffro i normally like you . but i dont like being called a retard !!. how can you say you have huge respect for GP guy then say they cant win on US soil ?? .just take a look at who won the nationals last year ??????. if u dont think AC222 ,nagl ,Herling Febvre ,desalle could not win races your the retard . stop showing such disrespect to the mxgp rider s . saying they would get waxed is total crap
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I don't understand why everyone is calling our MXDN team a "B" team......all three of them are awesome riders that have accomplished more than anyone who...
I don't understand why everyone is calling our MXDN team a "B" team......all three of them are awesome riders that have accomplished more than anyone who post in here. They should have all our respect for going and we all should be rooting for them, win lose or draw! As said before our so called underdog riders put us on the map....so please stand proud and give this team a chance to go and do what they are going to do.

You can say we are not sending the best......everyone wants ET3, well he's out hurt, TC41 just came back after a injury, JS7 has just been released to compete, RV2 is retired and RD5 has been the last six years of which three of those we won and three we lost he wants some time to himself and his family. Our season from SX to MX is so long and puts so much pressure on our riders that it's tough for them to go all year long.

So let's cheer on the guys that are going and support them to the MAX! if one of them had said that they didn't want to go this place would be bashing them to no end........

I think they mean "B"est available. Dungey has other plans/goals. Tomac is hurt. Canard is working his way back to full speed/confidence. Stewart is looking towards Supercross. Villopoto is retired.
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bob567 wrote:
The GP guys can make a living only racing outdoor motocross. That is not the case with the US Nationals. Until that is possible the gap...
The GP guys can make a living only racing outdoor motocross. That is not the case with the US Nationals. Until that is possible the gap will continue to widen in the GP's favor. Another factor as mentioned is the us tracks are all ripped and watered. The native soil of the locations are altered. Red Bud was as hard pack as Carlsbad but is now almost a sand track. Watch a High Point atv national youtube - the track is blue groove hard pack. We don't have any natural deep sand tracks. There is very little track diversity between geographical locations. That is not motocross.
This statement is misleading. Yes the top guys who are on teams can make a living in the GP's but only those guys. They have no purse money at all for riders so the only way theyre paid is through a contract.

but in the US as a privateer you can make a living. sorta. you can at least make money on a weekend if you do well enough.

And to people who point to Simpsons 4th as an indicator of where AC222 would finish he went 4-8. a 4TH and an 8TH. for 4th overall. ive seen people win overalls with a 1-9. in fact i saw one race where stewart finished 7th OA because of a 1-dnf. overalls are misleading to actual performance because its based on point not positions
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RandyS 8/14/2015 11:24am
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shortcourse wrote:
I don't understand why everyone is calling our MXDN team a "B" team......all three of them are awesome riders that have accomplished more than anyone who...
I don't understand why everyone is calling our MXDN team a "B" team......all three of them are awesome riders that have accomplished more than anyone who post in here. They should have all our respect for going and we all should be rooting for them, win lose or draw! As said before our so called underdog riders put us on the map....so please stand proud and give this team a chance to go and do what they are going to do.

You can say we are not sending the best......everyone wants ET3, well he's out hurt, TC41 just came back after a injury, JS7 has just been released to compete, RV2 is retired and RD5 has been the last six years of which three of those we won and three we lost he wants some time to himself and his family. Our season from SX to MX is so long and puts so much pressure on our riders that it's tough for them to go all year long.

So let's cheer on the guys that are going and support them to the MAX! if one of them had said that they didn't want to go this place would be bashing them to no end........

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I think they mean "B"est available. Dungey has other plans/goals. Tomac is hurt. Canard is working his way back to full speed/confidence. Stewart is looking towards...
I think they mean "B"est available. Dungey has other plans/goals. Tomac is hurt. Canard is working his way back to full speed/confidence. Stewart is looking towards Supercross. Villopoto is retired.
Correct on my part since I'm one of the people who called it our B team. If all USA riders were healthy the A team would be either Martin/Webb and 2 450 riders. One of those 450 guys might very well be Barcia, but the other wouldn't be a 250 guy. So, it's not our A team, it's the "B"est team available.

But I remember this one time back in the early we sent a B team and they did pretty well, maybe not being the favorite isn't such a bad thing.
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There is a lot of winning going on in this thread. I have said before, SX will become a problem when the GP guys come over here and dominate on our tracks.... That hasn't happend. It's great that Euros can defend their home turf vs the traveling American team. Makes it more exciting.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
RichardLoots wrote:
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again :laugh: :laugh...
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

this thread was so good and respectful from both sides , until you came along with youre load of BS ........
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Jeffro i normally like you . but i dont like being called a retard !!. how can you say you have huge respect for GP guy...
Jeffro i normally like you . but i dont like being called a retard !!. how can you say you have huge respect for GP guy then say they cant win on US soil ?? .just take a look at who won the nationals last year ??????. if u dont think AC222 ,nagl ,Herling Febvre ,desalle could not win races your the retard . stop showing such disrespect to the mxgp rider s . saying they would get waxed is total crap
I don't think Febvre could win here yet without some help IMO. AC and Hearlings would be immediate threats to win races the other guys might take some time to adjust. With a full healthy field which is rare it was hard for Desalle to be top 6.

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I think Nagl would be a threat right away also.
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Julian wrote:
History Lesson: years ago EVERYBODY was saying that it was SX that had honed the skills of the USA riders and had enabled them to start...
History Lesson:

years ago EVERYBODY was saying that it was SX that had honed the skills of the USA riders and had enabled them to start winning the MXDN year after year............

Now I hear on PulpMX from the experts that it is actually SX that has hurt the USA riders and allowed the Euros to start beating them.

So what is it guys?

you can't have it both ways.......
When the US dominated the des Nations for years SX was in full swing (less events by 3 or so from in the early years) but SX didn't appear to affect US racers chances.

My vote is to make SX more like MX in a stadium with one EnduroX obstacle at select rounds instead of the aerial show we have today.

I am a rider not a pilot.
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bob567 8/14/2015 5:23pm
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bob567 wrote:
The GP guys can make a living only racing outdoor motocross. That is not the case with the US Nationals. Until that is possible the gap...
The GP guys can make a living only racing outdoor motocross. That is not the case with the US Nationals. Until that is possible the gap will continue to widen in the GP's favor. Another factor as mentioned is the us tracks are all ripped and watered. The native soil of the locations are altered. Red Bud was as hard pack as Carlsbad but is now almost a sand track. Watch a High Point atv national youtube - the track is blue groove hard pack. We don't have any natural deep sand tracks. There is very little track diversity between geographical locations. That is not motocross.
Phillip_Lamb wrote:
This statement is misleading. Yes the top guys who are on teams can make a living in the GP's but only those guys. They have no...
This statement is misleading. Yes the top guys who are on teams can make a living in the GP's but only those guys. They have no purse money at all for riders so the only way theyre paid is through a contract.

but in the US as a privateer you can make a living. sorta. you can at least make money on a weekend if you do well enough.

And to people who point to Simpsons 4th as an indicator of where AC222 would finish he went 4-8. a 4TH and an 8TH. for 4th overall. ive seen people win overalls with a 1-9. in fact i saw one race where stewart finished 7th OA because of a 1-dnf. overalls are misleading to actual performance because its based on point not positions
"Yes the top guys who are on teams can make a living in the GP's but only those guys."

So the rest are working day jobs? Sorry I was not aware of that.
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jeffro503 8/14/2015 6:48pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just...
Let me clarify something here before all the Brit's get their panties in a wad. RV struggled over there too. For numerous reason , but just the same , he struggled there. Here , he pretty much waxed most everyone when he actually lined up.

IT IS two different types of MX going on here. No matter who crosses the pond , they are going to struggle one way or another.

Look at how many multiple world champs came here and got their ass's handed to them over the past 30yrs.

And you think the GP guys are just going to wander over here and wax everyone , on home soil? Like I said , retarded.
RichardLoots wrote:
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again :laugh: :laugh...
.....you actually think Cairoli, Herlings or Febvre wont be fast enough to win a race in the USA ?? damnnnn here we go again Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

this thread was so good and respectful from both sides , until you came along with youre load of BS ........
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Jeffro i normally like you . but i dont like being called a retard !!. how can you say you have huge respect for GP guy...
Jeffro i normally like you . but i dont like being called a retard !!. how can you say you have huge respect for GP guy then say they cant win on US soil ?? .just take a look at who won the nationals last year ??????. if u dont think AC222 ,nagl ,Herling Febvre ,desalle could not win races your the retard . stop showing such disrespect to the mxgp rider s . saying they would get waxed is total crap
Brother look , I was wrong for calling you that and I apologize. I should have said that your comment sounded retarded and not called you retarded. My bad.

I do have a bunch of respect for the GP guys , always have. But what I'm trying to say is people are trying to skew the debate here. Using Simpson and his 4th place is a little out there , because he placed higher than what his lap times showed in the race. I think he had around 8th. Some fast guys went down in the first moto which screwed their O/A. That is NOT slamming Simpson , that is fact right?

OK , with that being said , we have a healthy RD and Barcia out there , an injured Roczen , Canard just coming off the bench and a bunch of guys that got wadded up in the first turn. Simpson's lap times were great and what he did was badass for sure , but you have to remember that We have guys that are out like Tomac , RV just retired , Stewart sitting on the bench , ect.

The pure speed of Tomac winning by 1:31 is something most people don't get. That's ahead of RD , who was 30 sec ahead of 3rd. The same RD that put Simpson down by 1 min.

With all the top " AMA national riders " ( American's and former GP riders ) healthy, I'm saying the GP guys would for a fact struggle here. I don't see any of them beating a healthy Tomac , RD , Roczen , Barcia , Stewart , Canard , ect here , on home soil unless one of them goes down.

I also don't see one of the guys I mentioned above beating top GP guys like AC , Nagl , Desalle , ect on some of their GP tracks either. Could an AMA rider get a GP win , for sure. Could a GP rider get a win here , for sure. But it isn't going to happen to often right off the bat .

I'm actually agreeing with some of you guys and you keep arguing with me. Dizzy
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burn1986 8/14/2015 8:14pm
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Supercross helps US riders. Duh. Why would it hurt them? where are you from? Why are you asking about an American sport? MXoN? GPs? C'mon man. The US riders don't need to worry about that. Maybe we should worry about cricket. They don't need to go over to Europe or worry about European stuff. Just like you don't need to worry about American stuff. And the MXoN is not that important anymore.
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DC wrote:
My opinion? So much emphasis on SX now -- October through May -- leaves little time to focus on testing and getting faster outdoors. It wasn't...
My opinion? So much emphasis on SX now -- October through May -- leaves little time to focus on testing and getting faster outdoors. It wasn't like that in the eighties when America was taking over; it started changing in the nineties with the rise of Jeremy McGrath.

Meanwhile, European riders spend very little time on SX tracks and they focus almost entirely on outdoor motocross. It's helped them catch back up in motocross, no doubt. And that's probably why some guys who come over here (Rattray, Tortelli, Chiodi, Albertyn) really struggle at first (or always) in supercross.

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Who cares?

Good point, burn... I'm guessing it's just you and me.

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It's just some goofball from Poland trying to stir up something. It's just a cash cow anyway for the promoter, kind of like the MXseries.
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Both, I think. The US riders developed skills and techniques in SX that enhanced their MX skills. There was a time that you could strip any...
Both, I think. The US riders developed skills and techniques in SX that enhanced their MX skills. There was a time that you could strip any identifying information off the rider and bike and easily tell which riders were US based and which riders were GP based. One group was loose, stylish and flowing, the other was stiff, awkward, and apparently wearing American football shoulder pads under their jersey. I used to chuckle at the GP series coverage when I was a kid. They just looked like squids. The same can't be said today. Most of these guys, Febvre as an example, have a flow that is very Americanized. I think it no coincidence that these kids also have increased access to SX tracks, and GP tracks are increasingly incorporating US style rhythms and jumps. I just don't see much difference between US style riders and tracks, as opposed to GP style riders and tracks. Which is great, particularly for the MXdN.
Beat me to it. My thoughts exactly. GP riders used to have such a stiff goony riding style. You could see it right away. Now days they all have great style. Hell look at Roczen.....
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burn1986 wrote:
It's just some goofball from Poland trying to stir up something. It's just a cash cow anyway for the promoter, kind of like the MXseries.
Burn , you fall right into that group of couch potato's / arm chair quarter backs that DC brought up a week or so about. You should get in touch with DC and give him all your ideas and advice on how he and MX sports can make things better. Then after you blow his mind with over abundance wealth of knowledge , you can then show him his own bank statements since you know how much he's making. I'm sure everyone on this board , including myself want to hear these global MX changes that you have thought out.

You are going to fill us in on this stuff right? I mean you obviously know so much more about this sport than DC or anyone else on this board. I for one can't wait. History in the making here I think right?
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burn1986 8/14/2015 9:38pm
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He doesn't need you to defend him or hump his leg here in front of everyone. I will say this, DC is always right in the middle of it, saying "Well, we tried our best but they just wouldn't go for it." It doesn't matter what we think about the sport, anyway. It's his sport and livliehood. All the riders and fans are just onlookers and participants in his show.
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He doesn't need you to defend him or hump his leg here in front of everyone. I will say this, DC is always right in the...
He doesn't need you to defend him or hump his leg here in front of everyone. I will say this, DC is always right in the middle of it, saying "Well, we tried our best but they just wouldn't go for it." It doesn't matter what we think about the sport, anyway. It's his sport and livliehood. All the riders and fans are just onlookers and participants in his show.
I don't need to defend him. I get to watch my MX live damn near ever race on multi forms of media and our gates still have 100+ dudes trying to qualify for the 40 man gate. What's not to like?

Can you give us a short list on what you don't like? Instead of crying about it , spit it out.

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