The image of the sport today

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Edited Date/Time 7/31/2015 8:38am
What does the general public see when they hear people talking about dirt bikes, is it still gigantic crashes and broken bones? Or is it a better image than that. Regardless, if the image is bad, what caused people to feel that way and how should the sport change that. If it is good, how can we continue improving the image of the sport?
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For years,years,I say, when I told someone I raced they thought of brando and the wild ones movie,lol.

Bunch of heathens in a field with leather likker and ho's.
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7/30/2015 8:45am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 8:45am
Well our sport IS full of gigantic crashes and broken bones. Is that image necessarily a bad thing? Isn't the risk involved what made F1 what it is today? I'm not arguing for or against that idea, I'm just asking the question.

The truth is that people who have never ridden a dirt bike just have a hard time understanding what they're seeing when they watch a dirt bike race. Never mind the image, if you want the sport to grow the answer needs to involve getting more people on a dirt bike. As pure means of entertainment as a spectator... professional sporting in general has become such a HUGE and competitive industry. The average person has hundreds of different sports they could watch. If they want something to have in common with coworkers to talk about at the water cooler on Monday which is very likely to be the case then motocross isn't going to be what they're going to want to watch unless they're working at a motorcycle shop.
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When I tell people they compare it to riding quads in the woodsAngry
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when you mention dirt motor bikes to anybody I know....they say "yeah I went to that at Indianapolis"

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when it comes to MX or Motocross, or worse still MotoRcross..................most people still think its backflips
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7/30/2015 8:59am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 8:59am
For a while it was - "Oh... Do you do tricks? Like the X-Games guys?"

I had to explain... No racing is different.
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mauidex wrote:
when it comes to MX or Motocross, or worse still MotoRcross..................most people still think its backflips
Beat me to it...
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For me it seems like a lot more people know what your talking about compared to 10 years ago nobody did
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mauidex wrote:
when it comes to MX or Motocross, or worse still MotoRcross..................most people still think its backflips
Exactly. 95% of the time when I mention motocross the response I get revolves around question if I do big jumps and tricks. I also usually say "race dirtbikes" rather than motocross. Not sure how many normal folk know what "motocross" is.
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Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running across the bottom of the screen from time to time. They have done it at the Tour deFrance, surely they could do it at Chicken Licks Raceway. Getting live TV time would probably have them donating the gear and techs to operate it. At least there would be some proof that our top guys are certified badass athletes rather than just home schooled knuckleheads. Maybe it would lend a bit of credibility and appeal to more outside sponsors and everyone could make more money??? But alas, this little sport has always been about who can keep the better secret.
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Same as monster trucks..............


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mauidex wrote:
when it comes to MX or Motocross, or worse still MotoRcross..................most people still think its backflips
exactly. None of my friends have ever ridden a dirt bike. That's one of the reasons I come on here because anytime I bring up motorcycles in conversation, it only takes about 3 seconds for one of them to mention "Travis Pastrana" "X Games" or "flips and shit." Nothing against TP, he's awesome and I appreciate everything he's done with the sport. But no-one has a clue (at least around here) about what's going on. I hate to say it, but meek mill and lil' chino are better know for their association with motorcycles than any of the guys actually racing. At least that's my experience.
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newmann wrote:
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running...
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running across the bottom of the screen from time to time. They have done it at the Tour deFrance, surely they could do it at Chicken Licks Raceway. Getting live TV time would probably have them donating the gear and techs to operate it. At least there would be some proof that our top guys are certified badass athletes rather than just home schooled knuckleheads. Maybe it would lend a bit of credibility and appeal to more outside sponsors and everyone could make more money??? But alas, this little sport has always been about who can keep the better secret.
Chicken Licks raceway has been getting a lot of exposure here on vital lately.
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newmann wrote:
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running...
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running across the bottom of the screen from time to time. They have done it at the Tour deFrance, surely they could do it at Chicken Licks Raceway. Getting live TV time would probably have them donating the gear and techs to operate it. At least there would be some proof that our top guys are certified badass athletes rather than just home schooled knuckleheads. Maybe it would lend a bit of credibility and appeal to more outside sponsors and everyone could make more money??? But alas, this little sport has always been about who can keep the better secret.
That would be cool but expensive.
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newmann wrote:
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running...
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running across the bottom of the screen from time to time. They have done it at the Tour deFrance, surely they could do it at Chicken Licks Raceway. Getting live TV time would probably have them donating the gear and techs to operate it. At least there would be some proof that our top guys are certified badass athletes rather than just home schooled knuckleheads. Maybe it would lend a bit of credibility and appeal to more outside sponsors and everyone could make more money??? But alas, this little sport has always been about who can keep the better secret.
That is an excellent idea. Do they do this for cycling?
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I'd tell ya, but it's a secret...
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I also remember back in the 70's-80's if you told someone you rode or raced dirt bikes they looked at you like you belonged to a Cooks Corner biker gang (Again from the 70's-80's) Today they think you are an X Games freestyle jumper.

The general public does not view the sport of Supercross or Motocross as they should. Indy on dirt. Top athletes. Lifelong commitments.Incredible sacrifice and commitment.

On the good side however, there are simply more people who do ride now. Either racing or desert, or dirt etc. So there is more to talk about when you see a dude in line at Walmart with a Fox hat, and an Anaheim SX T-shirt on.
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I live in the south and every redneck down here has had their turn on a dirtbike at some point. Even if it was just a 125 pit bike. So the question I get all the time is "how far can you do a wheelie" "what color power band u got on that thing" and "can you do a backflip"
Newmann I would love to see live heartrate of riders while they ride, that is the next step for our sport. Maybe they can make it conbect with the LIT pro so we can get speed and G force too.
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as a kid growing up in socal in the 70's there were a lot more dirt bike riders, so all the kids who rode but not race still
knew what MX was and appreciated the skill. Today so few ride, most cannot appreciate the effort and skill it takes to ride that fast. I would also say that there may not be an image "outside" of the sport..does that relate to the lack of big outside sponsorship....

a few say it's better that MX/SX is small and I tend to agree....
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newmann wrote:
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running...
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running across the bottom of the screen from time to time. They have done it at the Tour deFrance, surely they could do it at Chicken Licks Raceway. Getting live TV time would probably have them donating the gear and techs to operate it. At least there would be some proof that our top guys are certified badass athletes rather than just home schooled knuckleheads. Maybe it would lend a bit of credibility and appeal to more outside sponsors and everyone could make more money??? But alas, this little sport has always been about who can keep the better secret.
RCB33 wrote:
That would be cool but expensive.
Considering the Polar logo is plastered across the bottom of the television screen for live TV you don't think there would be any advertising consideration given?
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At least in my area everyone associates dirt bikes along with quads and side by sides. I'd say almost everyone knows about dirt bikes and woods riding. But not many know about motocross. Basically dirt bikes are considered a toy (which they are) that are made to be rode in the woods with your uncle bob on his utility and a 30 rack of bud light. Motocross is foreign for the most part.
7/30/2015 10:29am
Them - "Like the stuff they do in those stadiums? Man, that must be dangerous"

Me - "Sort of, but outdoors on longer tracks and more natural terrain. Faster speeds but safer"

Them - "Huh "
7/30/2015 11:00am
Motocross doesn't have a positive image.
To me, it's a family sport, one of the most physically demanding sports around, requires toughness and to be competitive you must work at it off the track as well. Almost everything is about moto, especially when riding season is on.

Here is what the public sees:
Backflips
drugged up low life tatted dudes
Backflips
Monster skanks (I appreciate them though)
Double backflips
Broken bones, paralysis

The hard work of riding isn't obvious (the bike does all the work) the hard work just to get to the track isn't obvious (a good enough job to pay for it, time outside of work to work out, do bike maintenance, prep for the weekend at the track, easily takes between an hour to 4 hours of your time every day after work, and then all the driving time).

To change the public's perspective, we need to stop showing how "bad ass" the sport is. What I mean, is to stop the focus on all of this appealing to the young, "cool" crowd, the people that drive around in their rusted out civic with a big fox sticker in the back window, and while they can't afford a bike, they have a brand new jersey they where anywhere in public. That isn't where the money is, and that isn't a demographic the big money sponsors want to advertise to (aside from the energy drinks, whose core purchasers are this exact group because their product is cheap enough to be bought with a pack of smokes at the corner store).

What needs to be shown to those outside of the sport is how much skill it takes, the fitness and determination it takes. Yes, we have some of the most fit, some of the toughest dudes around in this sport, and that needs to be shown, but the entire image that gets put through voluntarily by the heads of this sport is not attracting any outsiders to the sport... It should be more popular than NASCAR or F1 as almost anyone can buy a bike similar to what is being raced, and the stories of the riders and the drama that goes on is just as entertaining as anything any other sport has to offer.
How to improve the image, I don't know, but it really sucks.

However, keeping the sport "low key" is part of why it is still affordable.
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newmann wrote:
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running...
Hardly anyone realizes the physical aspect of it. Been that way for decades. I still think Polar needs to be on board with rider vitals running across the bottom of the screen from time to time. They have done it at the Tour deFrance, surely they could do it at Chicken Licks Raceway. Getting live TV time would probably have them donating the gear and techs to operate it. At least there would be some proof that our top guys are certified badass athletes rather than just home schooled knuckleheads. Maybe it would lend a bit of credibility and appeal to more outside sponsors and everyone could make more money??? But alas, this little sport has always been about who can keep the better secret.
RCB33 wrote:
That would be cool but expensive.
newmann wrote:
Considering the Polar logo is plastered across the bottom of the television screen for live TV you don't think there would be any advertising consideration given?
Got a point but why would they advertise with moto when they can do the same thing for football and get way more advertising.
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RCB33 wrote:
Got a point but why would they advertise with moto when they can do the same thing for football and get way more advertising.
Because the NFL will charge them 1,000 times more money to do it and dollar for dollar there are probably more people interested in buying the equipment that are watching the motocross race vs those watching a football game.
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RCB33 wrote:
Got a point but why would they advertise with moto when they can do the same thing for football and get way more advertising.
731chopper wrote:
Because the NFL will charge them 1,000 times more money to do it and dollar for dollar there are probably more people interested in buying the...
Because the NFL will charge them 1,000 times more money to do it and dollar for dollar there are probably more people interested in buying the equipment that are watching the motocross race vs those watching a football game.
Ok that makes sense, I guess I should have though about the demographic a little more, sounds like an awesome idea.
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I also remember back in the 70's-80's if you told someone you rode or raced dirt bikes they looked at you like you belonged to a...

I also remember back in the 70's-80's if you told someone you rode or raced dirt bikes they looked at you like you belonged to a Cooks Corner biker gang (Again from the 70's-80's) Today they think you are an X Games freestyle jumper.

The general public does not view the sport of Supercross or Motocross as they should. Indy on dirt. Top athletes. Lifelong commitments.Incredible sacrifice and commitment.

On the good side however, there are simply more people who do ride now. Either racing or desert, or dirt etc. So there is more to talk about when you see a dude in line at Walmart with a Fox hat, and an Anaheim SX T-shirt on.
Do you really see more people riding now? I don't mean that to be argumentative, i'm genuinely asking. Maybe it's a regional thing, because it seems like there is less that ride here now than ever before.
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The only way to change the image of the sport, is to get more people on dirt bikes. Trying to explain how hard the sport is to someone that has never done it is like trying to explain what salt tastes like...without saying salty. It just doesn't work.

The best way to get more people on dirt bikes is to have more open riding areas...and I'm not talking JUST about tracks. I started riding in the desert up the street from my house...most people I know starting riding under similar circumstances.

Mom and Dad may not buy their kids a bike and take them to the track...but they will probably be more likely to buy them a bike and let them ride around in the local OHV area.

The entire industry needs to start fighting (with their voice, influence, and money) to keep public riding areas open.

It boggles my mind why the motocross industry (racers, teams, manufactures, gear companies, aftermarket companeis, etc.) does put their weight behind keeping riding areas open. The Greenies have big companies supporting their efforts to close them...but on our side, the big companies that we all support are silent on the subject.
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The image of the sport today? It's on 3 different channels on tape delay.

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