Filthy Phil - To the GP's in '16?

philG wrote:

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from...

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from the obvious ones that wouldn't want to. And to be honest, I think he would be better doing another AMA season

Brent wrote:

He should take Rattray's place, its the most logical step.

Brent wrote:

He should take Rattray's place, its the most logical step.

GG83 wrote:

No way. Tixier and Desalle to KRT for 2016.

philG wrote:

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from...

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from the obvious ones that wouldn't want to. And to be honest, I think he would be better doing another AMA season

Jack mehoff wrote:

Everybody has this wrong , this is just mathes his good buddy , out to drum up some offers from some us teams that might have...

Everybody has this wrong , this is just mathes his good buddy , out to drum up some offers from some us teams that might have there eye on Phil ,

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

Any word on where Anstie is going next year? He's got to move up too.

philG wrote:

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from...

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from the obvious ones that wouldn't want to. And to be honest, I think he would be better doing another AMA season

DonM wrote:

Wow such a shock coming from you....Are you sleeping with Geoff?

philG wrote:

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from...

When you think of what leib,decotis, Albertson and then RV have done, I don't see anyone in the US worth hiring over anyone here, apart from the obvious ones that wouldn't want to. And to be honest, I think he would be better doing another AMA season

DonM wrote:

Wow such a shock coming from you....Are you sleeping with Geoff?

philG wrote:

Which bit of it is wrong?
Good rider, not GP material.

mccread wrote:

I don't think Phil would get close to a factory MXGP ride. There are guys with no MXGP rides as good as Phil in the British...

I don't think Phil would get close to a factory MXGP ride. There are guys with no MXGP rides as good as Phil in the British Championship/ French/German championship struggling to get full time rides in MXGP like Irwin, Aranda, Seb pourcel, Whatley EBB etc Irwin ran with him in Germany at the Nations in 2013. I think all would do as good or better than Phil in MXGP. But having an American is probably more advantageous for a team in terms of exposure.

It would be good if he comes but it would be for a second or third tier team and I don't know if he would be in the top ten much unless there are a lot of injuries of course. Teams like 24MX, HM Plant KTM, STR KTM, Phlippearts team etc would be decent rides for Phil to get some results.

Villopoto was a pretty good measuring stick for the level of the World Championship - it's extremely high. Phil is not on the factory level imo for World Championship racing. More a top 10-20 level rider.

The best guy to try and win a World title for USA would probably be Dungey, he's smooth and smart. But he is tied up for another two years. Half of the current American factory riders in the USA wouldn't get factory rides in MXGP.

I would say only Tomac, Dungey Canard maybe Barcia would get a factory in the World Championship right now. And none of them are likely to come any time soon, although Barcia did say he would like to race MXGP at some point in his career.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint...

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint in the GPs (which included a win) some kind of measuring stick when you were the guy that was always whining and crying about how it was impossible to compare the two series' ....lmao Geoff jr.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint...

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint in the GPs (which included a win) some kind of measuring stick when you were the guy that was always whining and crying about how it was impossible to compare the two series' ....lmao Geoff jr.

Sunhouse wrote:

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult...

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult to RV or any of the other riders. He was simply saying that it is hard to change pond, and Phil has not proven or reached his potential yet in the US series, which is why he shouldn't be picked for a factory ride in MXGP. I reckon that is a fair assessment

ATKpilot99 wrote:

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint...

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint in the GPs (which included a win) some kind of measuring stick when you were the guy that was always whining and crying about how it was impossible to compare the two series' ....lmao Geoff jr.

Sunhouse wrote:

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult...

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult to RV or any of the other riders. He was simply saying that it is hard to change pond, and Phil has not proven or reached his potential yet in the US series, which is why he shouldn't be picked for a factory ride in MXGP. I reckon that is a fair assessment

mccread wrote:

I don't think Phil would get close to a factory MXGP ride. There are guys with no MXGP rides as good as Phil in the British...

I don't think Phil would get close to a factory MXGP ride. There are guys with no MXGP rides as good as Phil in the British Championship/ French/German championship struggling to get full time rides in MXGP like Irwin, Aranda, Seb pourcel, Whatley EBB etc Irwin ran with him in Germany at the Nations in 2013. I think all would do as good or better than Phil in MXGP. But having an American is probably more advantageous for a team in terms of exposure.

It would be good if he comes but it would be for a second or third tier team and I don't know if he would be in the top ten much unless there are a lot of injuries of course. Teams like 24MX, HM Plant KTM, STR KTM, Phlippearts team etc would be decent rides for Phil to get some results.

Villopoto was a pretty good measuring stick for the level of the World Championship - it's extremely high. Phil is not on the factory level imo for World Championship racing. More a top 10-20 level rider.

The best guy to try and win a World title for USA would probably be Dungey, he's smooth and smart. But he is tied up for another two years. Half of the current American factory riders in the USA wouldn't get factory rides in MXGP.

I would say only Tomac, Dungey Canard maybe Barcia would get a factory in the World Championship right now. And none of them are likely to come any time soon, although Barcia did say he would like to race MXGP at some point in his career.

DonM wrote:

Blah blah blah...between you Phil and yak...nobody cares what you think...

ATKpilot99 wrote:

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint...

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint in the GPs (which included a win) some kind of measuring stick when you were the guy that was always whining and crying about how it was impossible to compare the two series' ....lmao Geoff jr.

Sunhouse wrote:

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult...

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult to RV or any of the other riders. He was simply saying that it is hard to change pond, and Phil has not proven or reached his potential yet in the US series, which is why he shouldn't be picked for a factory ride in MXGP. I reckon that is a fair assessment

ATKpilot99 wrote:

I was responding to mccread, I should have quoted his post. I agree Nicoletti (sp) shouldn't have a GP factory ride and I agree the level...

I was responding to mccread, I should have quoted his post. I agree Nicoletti (sp) shouldn't have a GP factory ride and I agree the level of talent in the GPs is high. I always have. I just think it's funny how mccread can use RVs short stay as a measuring stick (his words) for the talent level of the GPs.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint...

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint in the GPs (which included a win) some kind of measuring stick when you were the guy that was always whining and crying about how it was impossible to compare the two series' ....lmao Geoff jr.

Sunhouse wrote:

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult...

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult to RV or any of the other riders. He was simply saying that it is hard to change pond, and Phil has not proven or reached his potential yet in the US series, which is why he shouldn't be picked for a factory ride in MXGP. I reckon that is a fair assessment

DonM wrote:

Until he said RV was a good measuring stick I agree with you...4 races out of 17 isn't a fair measurement. If you did that Max...

Until he said RV was a good measuring stick I agree with you...4 races out of 17 isn't a fair measurement. If you did that Max would be an MXGP champion...

ATKpilot99 wrote:

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint...

First I agree Phil shouldn't be in the conversation for a GP factory ride, but I also think it's funny that you consider RVs short stint in the GPs (which included a win) some kind of measuring stick when you were the guy that was always whining and crying about how it was impossible to compare the two series' ....lmao Geoff jr.

Sunhouse wrote:

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult...

To be fair, I think you and Don put your "PhilG = MxGeoff-glasses" on for this one. I didn't read his post remotely as an insult to RV or any of the other riders. He was simply saying that it is hard to change pond, and Phil has not proven or reached his potential yet in the US series, which is why he shouldn't be picked for a factory ride in MXGP. I reckon that is a fair assessment

ATKpilot99 wrote:

I was responding to mccread, I should have quoted his post. I agree Nicoletti (sp) shouldn't have a GP factory ride and I agree the level...

I was responding to mccread, I should have quoted his post. I agree Nicoletti (sp) shouldn't have a GP factory ride and I agree the level of talent in the GPs is high. I always have. I just think it's funny how mccread can use RVs short stay as a measuring stick (his words) for the talent level of the GPs.

mccread wrote:

I don't think Phil would get close to a factory MXGP ride. There are guys with no MXGP rides as good as Phil in the British...

I don't think Phil would get close to a factory MXGP ride. There are guys with no MXGP rides as good as Phil in the British Championship/ French/German championship struggling to get full time rides in MXGP like Irwin, Aranda, Seb pourcel, Whatley EBB etc Irwin ran with him in Germany at the Nations in 2013. I think all would do as good or better than Phil in MXGP. But having an American is probably more advantageous for a team in terms of exposure.

It would be good if he comes but it would be for a second or third tier team and I don't know if he would be in the top ten much unless there are a lot of injuries of course. Teams like 24MX, HM Plant KTM, STR KTM, Phlippearts team etc would be decent rides for Phil to get some results.

Villopoto was a pretty good measuring stick for the level of the World Championship - it's extremely high. Phil is not on the factory level imo for World Championship racing. More a top 10-20 level rider.

The best guy to try and win a World title for USA would probably be Dungey, he's smooth and smart. But he is tied up for another two years. Half of the current American factory riders in the USA wouldn't get factory rides in MXGP.

I would say only Tomac, Dungey Canard maybe Barcia would get a factory in the World Championship right now. And none of them are likely to come any time soon, although Barcia did say he would like to race MXGP at some point in his career.

mccread wrote:

The fact you can't use it as a measuring stick because he didn't dominate is hilarious. The point is there is a lot more guys that...

The fact you can't use it as a measuring stick because he didn't dominate is hilarious.

The point is there is a lot more guys that can win races in MXGP (than AMA) and who were just as good as Villopoto - that was proven. No need to take offence to facts. RV just wasn't any better than the very top guys in MXGP ( but he was one of the top guys) You guys somehow just can't accept that but it's the truth.

Phil is not on RV's level or the rest of the factory MXGP guys (most of whom can podium or win a race on their day)

As a consequence, any US rider who isn't on championship level like an RV/ Dungey/Tomac is going to struggle more to get a factory ride, and then they have to adapt to the depth of competition and the diversity of tracks in the world championship, which even RV struggled with more than many expected.

That's why if Phil was to get a ride it would be a tier 2 or 3 team. The factory riders will fill the top ten and beyond to start with, which makes it pretty hard for Phil to break in there and maybe even the top 15 at times.

He's had decent results at home though and rode well in Germany so I'm sure a team would see some potential there for results and a value in signing him. But MXGP is a different ball game to him racing in the USA, so it would be slightly risky too compared to signing someone who already has some GP experience.

mccread wrote:

The fact you can't use it as a measuring stick because he didn't dominate is hilarious. The point is there is a lot more guys that...

The fact you can't use it as a measuring stick because he didn't dominate is hilarious.

The point is there is a lot more guys that can win races in MXGP (than AMA) and who were just as good as Villopoto - that was proven. No need to take offence to facts. RV just wasn't any better than the very top guys in MXGP ( but he was one of the top guys) You guys somehow just can't accept that but it's the truth.

Phil is not on RV's level or the rest of the factory MXGP guys (most of whom can podium or win a race on their day)

As a consequence, any US rider who isn't on championship level like an RV/ Dungey/Tomac is going to struggle more to get a factory ride, and then they have to adapt to the depth of competition and the diversity of tracks in the world championship, which even RV struggled with more than many expected.

That's why if Phil was to get a ride it would be a tier 2 or 3 team. The factory riders will fill the top ten and beyond to start with, which makes it pretty hard for Phil to break in there and maybe even the top 15 at times.

He's had decent results at home though and rode well in Germany so I'm sure a team would see some potential there for results and a value in signing him. But MXGP is a different ball game to him racing in the USA, so it would be slightly risky too compared to signing someone who already has some GP experience.

JMR1976 wrote:

They are fun to laugh at though.

Brent wrote:

One name - Trampas Parker.

Champions do come from obscure places, you never know when a rider will click with a series.