Glen Helen drama

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rohleder644 5/27/2015 6:12pm
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Silly to insinuate he was in any danger whatsoever. He wouldn't have made it past the gate without knowing something was up. Wouldn't have made it past the first corner without pulling off. Oh, and he was made aware before he ever got on the track. This point is moot.
It's a bummer Don had to resort to this. He provided services he wasn't paid for. In my opinion, he handled it well. No physical altercation, doesn't sound like a lot of screaming and carrying on. Just a, "give me my money, and your bike will be put back to the fire breathing monster I built you."
I've been on the other side of a customer not coughing up the 20 grand they owed me. You start seeing red real quick
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Trav138 wrote:
Don and his notorious posse at GH. at least it didn't turn into another WWE smack down again
What ever happened with that law suit anyway?
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You have no dog in this fight any way.

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Roger@Arroyo 5/27/2015 6:16pm
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I believe every sanctioning body prohibits the tampering of equipment at any time. In my series that would be a lifetime ban for first offense.
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RonSkj 5/27/2015 6:17pm
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So, What ever happen with the lawsuit against Glenhelen, from the last leib incident?
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Bob693 5/27/2015 6:21pm
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RonSkj wrote:
So, What ever happen with the lawsuit against Glenhelen, from the last leib incident?
What incident?
motokiwi 5/27/2015 6:24pm
5/27/2015 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2015 6:26pm
I just hate how people can defend a rider that would not pay their bills, and risk the livelihood of this Engine Builder who does pay his bills.

The amount of riders who need a real life wakeup call about how to live responsibly is growing into a large list.
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Trav138 5/27/2015 6:28pm
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Trav138 wrote:
Don and his notorious posse at GH. at least it didn't turn into another WWE smack down again
Hut wrote:
What ever happened with that law suit anyway?
no idea, I think it was his son n law who was doing the suing after Friese incident.
I'm all for getting what's owed to you. I'm sure their was a much better way in the 5 months leading up to GH though
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suzrider982 5/27/2015 6:36pm
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Take him to court. Simple. Not mess with his bike at a pro national
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seth505 5/27/2015 6:43pm
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Good, you can stop giving your horrible opinion that rider was at risk. Smile
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Serial numbers removed from an engine usually means something is stolen. While Don is no stranger to controversy, banning him and Josh Pitts (whom I had the pleasure of working with several years back at Freestone) while allowing someone to race with a stolen engine smells of bullshit. Josh is a good guy.

The facebook post in the other thread

"There has been a lot of speculation as to what has went on between myself and other parties at Glen Helen. The matter has been handled as MX Sports has seen fit and I fully support their decision. I would also like to say that I personally am not responsible for the money owed. The issues are between other people and I am caught in the middle. I hope the other parties can resolve this problem and move on. I am washing my hands with it and moving on. My focus is representing my sponsors in the best way I can and riding my dirtbike. I want to thank my sponsors and family for their continued support!"

shows a true lack of character by this rider as he acknowledges that money is owed yet he intends to continue riding his dirtbike with serial numbers removed from the engine. Sad days people, sad days.
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mxb2 5/27/2015 6:47pm
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Unreal, pay the fukin bill , or dont ride get a job.
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MR. X 5/27/2015 6:48pm
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newmann wrote:
Serial numbers removed from an engine usually means something is stolen. While Don is no stranger to controversy, banning him and Josh Pitts (whom I had...
Serial numbers removed from an engine usually means something is stolen. While Don is no stranger to controversy, banning him and Josh Pitts (whom I had the pleasure of working with several years back at Freestone) while allowing someone to race with a stolen engine smells of bullshit. Josh is a good guy.

The facebook post in the other thread

"There has been a lot of speculation as to what has went on between myself and other parties at Glen Helen. The matter has been handled as MX Sports has seen fit and I fully support their decision. I would also like to say that I personally am not responsible for the money owed. The issues are between other people and I am caught in the middle. I hope the other parties can resolve this problem and move on. I am washing my hands with it and moving on. My focus is representing my sponsors in the best way I can and riding my dirtbike. I want to thank my sponsors and family for their continued support!"

shows a true lack of character by this rider as he acknowledges that money is owed yet he intends to continue riding his dirtbike with serial numbers removed from the engine. Sad days people, sad days.
Spot on
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RonSkj wrote:
So, What ever happen with the lawsuit against Glenhelen, from the last leib incident?
Bob693 wrote:
What incident?
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PEPE001 5/27/2015 6:55pm
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My 2 cent on the missing casting #.

I bought officially an engine from one of the team riders.
Was a practice engine when I got it there was no serial nr.
On the cylinder there was something engraved.

Don't know if this is the regular case but my engine was like this no casting #.
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newmann, I guess this is where you and I disagree. No matter the circumstances, you CANNOT take matters into your own hands, in this case. Clearly, MXSports sees it that way too. I'm not taking sides as to who owes for what, or hasn't been paid, but if you allow this to go unpunished, you just open the floodgates for all kinds of shit like this. If the motor isn't paid for, Leib has legal standing to pursue the money. He does NOT have the right to go do what he did, in a situation like that. If it was a private track, and no sanctioning body was involved, then it's a whole different deal. That is where Lieb screwed up. Should he be paid for the motor? Absolutely!

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newmann 5/27/2015 6:58pm
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PEPE001 wrote:
My 2 cent on the missing casting #. I bought officially an engine from one of the team riders. Was a practice engine when I got...
My 2 cent on the missing casting #.

I bought officially an engine from one of the team riders.
Was a practice engine when I got it there was no serial nr.
On the cylinder there was something engraved.

Don't know if this is the regular case but my engine was like this no casting #.
Yes but when you plug your laptop in and see that it is your software running the show that is a pretty good giveaway as to whose engine it is.
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h&m_cycle 5/27/2015 6:59pm
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Guy wants his money don't blame him, you can't do shit like you used to though, everybody sues, kick some guys ass that
deserves it, may get charged with a felony.
Can't go John Wayne to defend your honor...

No winners...
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seth505 5/27/2015 7:02pm
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So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor Sideways
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MR. X 5/27/2015 7:03pm
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Courts ordered people to leave their houses in 2008 when they didn't pay for them, that worked out great after people took jack hammers to the entire house before leaving. "Here's your engine back Don , craziest thing happened when i rode it last, the damn thing just blew upWhistling "
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olddude 5/27/2015 7:05pm
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More proof that 4strokes are ruining our sport.
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PEPE001 5/27/2015 7:08pm
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seth505 wrote:
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor...
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor Sideways
Legally Its not stolen somebody ordered it but never paid.
Different story.

Should he get paid: YES
Self justice: NO
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newmann 5/27/2015 7:09pm
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newmann, I guess this is where you and I disagree. No matter the circumstances, you CANNOT take matters into your own hands, in this case. Clearly...
newmann, I guess this is where you and I disagree. No matter the circumstances, you CANNOT take matters into your own hands, in this case. Clearly, MXSports sees it that way too. I'm not taking sides as to who owes for what, or hasn't been paid, but if you allow this to go unpunished, you just open the floodgates for all kinds of shit like this. If the motor isn't paid for, Leib has legal standing to pursue the money. He does NOT have the right to go do what he did, in a situation like that. If it was a private track, and no sanctioning body was involved, then it's a whole different deal. That is where Lieb screwed up. Should he be paid for the motor? Absolutely!
No, you and I are not disagreeing, Don should have handled it differently. But who exactly asked who to come reprogram the bike? I have read a couple different takes on that. I also understand this is the first time this engine has surfaced in quite some time as in since someones grandma promised to pay and it left Don's shop. The kids "free" subscription expired. He still has the bike doesn't he?

Since you are in the transportation business, what happens when he heads north to Canada and crosses the border with serial numbers scraped off the engine?
motokiwi 5/27/2015 7:11pm
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In New Zealand we cant sue for stupid shit like this.
The owner of the engine would take it back no problem.

& everyone at the track would judge the p.o.s who didn't pay for it badly.

Honestly your laws are a bit fucked when the guy who owns the engine is not allowed to leverage it back / the bad guy gets away looking like his shit doesn't stink.
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newmann 5/27/2015 7:12pm
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seth505 wrote:
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor...
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor Sideways
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PEPE001 5/27/2015 7:13pm
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newmann wrote:
No, you and I are not disagreeing, Don should have handled it differently. But who exactly asked who to come reprogram the bike? I have read...
No, you and I are not disagreeing, Don should have handled it differently. But who exactly asked who to come reprogram the bike? I have read a couple different takes on that. I also understand this is the first time this engine has surfaced in quite some time as in since someones grandma promised to pay and it left Don's shop. The kids "free" subscription expired. He still has the bike doesn't he?

Since you are in the transportation business, what happens when he heads north to Canada and crosses the border with serial numbers scraped off the engine?
Usually everybody takes care of the VIN.
I plan to take my bikes someday back to Germany all they ask for is the VIN.

Reason for that might be the engine is part of the bike (VIN) and if you buy a new cases there is no casting #.

So you can claim I bought a new case.
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seth505 5/27/2015 7:13pm
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seth505 wrote:
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor...
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor Sideways
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Legally Its not stolen somebody ordered it but never paid.
Different story.

Should he get paid: YES
Self justice: NO
I've ordered things and paid for them when they come in. I'd consider it more than ordered, it's been used/in the teams posession. Legally, maybe you are correct but homie don't play that!
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seth505 wrote:
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor...
So you CAN race a national on stolen property, good to know. I wonder if Roys side job is helping clean up baltimore with the mayor Sideways
Hahaha lets throw some racism in just to spice it up a bit more.

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