Anyone have crazy hospital experiences? called me a junkie.lol

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5/26/2015 1:10am Edited Date/Time 5/26/2015 1:26am
Whatever "doctor" you saw that prescribed the fentanyl patch for undiagnosed pain is a monumental moron. I would highly recommend not seeking advice/treatment from this person...
Whatever "doctor" you saw that prescribed the fentanyl patch for undiagnosed pain is a monumental moron. I would highly recommend not seeking advice/treatment from this person ever again.
+1 . insane to give a script for Fentanyl without getting checked out. that shit is NO joke.
I find it extremely unjust that some posters are using this thread as a platform for "bashing" medical professionals. Some of you people really need to get a life.
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I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
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Insider347 wrote:
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
I apologize if I said anything offensive in my posts, it was not my intention. You are being very strong and I wish you the best.
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Insider347 wrote:
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
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I apologize if I said anything offensive in my posts, it was not my intention. You are being very strong and I wish you the best.
No apalogy needed. Sometimes I get defensive about the instant label put on some. You didn't say anything that you need to apalogise for. I know there is trash out there that don't want to get better. I get upset when all addicts are painted with a broad brush. Hope you're better.

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Insider347 wrote:
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
Amen brother. Stray strong, I'm in the same boat. I dug your story and the thread idea, FLmxer. Too bad reading comprehension isn't a strong point around here.
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5/26/2015 9:57am Edited Date/Time 5/26/2015 10:00am
Drugs - who needs drugs!!!

Here is drug related story for you!
1999 and a ride south to Patagonia. We were based in Cohyaique Chile and the ride was south and back.
The morning of day three we left a lake Hostel in Patagonia headed back to Cohyaique after a day south to Port Yungey.
Crossing a curving to the right concrete bridge, my front tire went flat and promptly peeled off leaving the rim on the concrete! The bike stopped at the Armco Barrier; however I proceeded in a slow roll in the air down an embankment landing in a rip rap along the river. My back pack and bum bag took the brunt of the energy as well as my camera bag. So much for the camera! I was alive and conscious, however by right foot was twisted to the right – Fkna…..my ride was over. I quickly surmised that the lower foot was a mess.

My buddies hauled me up and put in the back of pickup for an 8 hour trip to the Regional Hospital in Cohyaique. This is where the pain meds come into the story. NOT as there were no pain meds. We get to the hospital late that evening and the emergency room is dirty, cob webs in the windows and the garbage was overflowing. They wanted to slide the Aplinestars off and I said not a chance. Soon there-after one of the med techs produced a toad stabber about 10” long and slit the boot. Off came the boot and the sock- ugly!!

They made small cast tray to lay my foot in and that set. I was then off to a room and put me the queue for X-rays. I was informed by some of my Chilean speaking friends that the young man in the bed next to me was going have his lower leg amputated due to an infection for a similar injury. Hmmm. Oh and before I forget this story is about pain meds. NOT as there were no pain meds.

The X-ray tech came and rolled me away. They lifted my foot and threw the custom fitted cast tray into a chair and the cloth flew out. Then my lower leg was manipulated to get several X-rays. Pain Meds - NOT as there were no pain meds. Oh and the foot did not fit back into the support. Fkna that hurts.

Spent the night while my friends organized a plane flight for me to LA. No surgery here! The next morning two techs came to me to build a shipping cast to support the leg. Tech one grabbed my heel and the top of my leg and pulled and rotated the foot to its expected position. Yes you guessed it correctly! No pain meds!!! Fkna that hurt.

Cast is done, then they cut down the front center so the cast can expand with the swelling. Off to the airport only to discover that if I cannot board the 737 on my own power (I had no crutches) I cannot fly. That was a bunch of steps!! Fkna that hurt. Off to Lima for the next flight.

There I was met with a wheel chair. However the flight did not leave until 1 AM. While sitting at the gate, an American doctor who had been in Antarctica came up and asked what had happened. He also saw my X-rays and asked if he could look at them. After holding them up he asked about pain meds and I informed I had no idea what he talking about. LOL. He looked at me and said – son you’re going to have a long night! A long night it was without any fkn pain meds………..

Two days later I have surgery in LA. Yes there was pain meds for that.

Fkna a true story to boot. LOL
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Drugs - who needs drugs!!! Here is drug related story for you! 1999 and a ride south to Patagonia. We were based in Cohyaique Chile and...
Drugs - who needs drugs!!!

Here is drug related story for you!
1999 and a ride south to Patagonia. We were based in Cohyaique Chile and the ride was south and back.
The morning of day three we left a lake Hostel in Patagonia headed back to Cohyaique after a day south to Port Yungey.
Crossing a curving to the right concrete bridge, my front tire went flat and promptly peeled off leaving the rim on the concrete! The bike stopped at the Armco Barrier; however I proceeded in a slow roll in the air down an embankment landing in a rip rap along the river. My back pack and bum bag took the brunt of the energy as well as my camera bag. So much for the camera! I was alive and conscious, however by right foot was twisted to the right – Fkna…..my ride was over. I quickly surmised that the lower foot was a mess.

My buddies hauled me up and put in the back of pickup for an 8 hour trip to the Regional Hospital in Cohyaique. This is where the pain meds come into the story. NOT as there were no pain meds. We get to the hospital late that evening and the emergency room is dirty, cob webs in the windows and the garbage was overflowing. They wanted to slide the Aplinestars off and I said not a chance. Soon there-after one of the med techs produced a toad stabber about 10” long and slit the boot. Off came the boot and the sock- ugly!!

They made small cast tray to lay my foot in and that set. I was then off to a room and put me the queue for X-rays. I was informed by some of my Chilean speaking friends that the young man in the bed next to me was going have his lower leg amputated due to an infection for a similar injury. Hmmm. Oh and before I forget this story is about pain meds. NOT as there were no pain meds.

The X-ray tech came and rolled me away. They lifted my foot and threw the custom fitted cast tray into a chair and the cloth flew out. Then my lower leg was manipulated to get several X-rays. Pain Meds - NOT as there were no pain meds. Oh and the foot did not fit back into the support. Fkna that hurts.

Spent the night while my friends organized a plane flight for me to LA. No surgery here! The next morning two techs came to me to build a shipping cast to support the leg. Tech one grabbed my heel and the top of my leg and pulled and rotated the foot to its expected position. Yes you guessed it correctly! No pain meds!!! Fkna that hurt.

Cast is done, then they cut down the front center so the cast can expand with the swelling. Off to the airport only to discover that if I cannot board the 737 on my own power (I had no crutches) I cannot fly. That was a bunch of steps!! Fkna that hurt. Off to Lima for the next flight.

There I was met with a wheel chair. However the flight did not leave until 1 AM. While sitting at the gate, an American doctor who had been in Antarctica came up and asked what had happened. He also saw my X-rays and asked if he could look at them. After holding them up he asked about pain meds and I informed I had no idea what he talking about. LOL. He looked at me and said – son you’re going to have a long night! A long night it was without any fkn pain meds………..

Two days later I have surgery in LA. Yes there was pain meds for that.

Fkna a true story to boot. LOL
You are a tough son of a gun.
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5/26/2015 10:18am
Since there is a handful of medical professionals here, I will add light humor to the thread. While I was in the recovery room from having the femur side of my knee screwed back together, I was laying there with an epidural in my back. For those that have never had an epidural, you literally can't feel a thing from your waist down. Anyway, I was well drugged, and really tripping about the lack of sensation down south. I was sort of grabbing my wanger because it felt dead and the nurse looked at me confused and asked what I was doing. In my drugged state, the only reply I had was "trying to wake up my friend" Grinning
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5/26/2015 11:00am Edited Date/Time 5/26/2015 11:02am
Dude, that is an insane story. I hope you are doing better.

In my experience.Big Bear Community Hospital is the worst. For many years I ended up there here are few shot story experiences.

Cased a huge step up at shell reef back in 2000. Here is a pic.


Shattered my heal broke my tib fib at the top of the ankle box. I stayed in camp for one night and then went to the ER up there after getting home. My ankle was swollen to the point where my skin was beginning to tear. They X-rayed just my ankle joint (not my heal and not my tib fib) then they sent me home with a diagnosis of a sprained ankle. I asked for a copy of the X-rays. When I got home I looked at them and just coming into frame on one side I saw little bone fragments like crumbs. I called the ER back and asked them to look at those crumbs. LoL. They called me right back in.

In 1993 I cased another jump at Glen Helen just after a GP had been held they left a large table in the front (back when the parking was on the left side of the track). I drove home and walked in the ER and told them I broke my back and they all laughed. They neglected me as I awaited an X-ray hoping I would give up and walk out. After several hours someone finally came and wheeled me into X-ray as they winked at each other and cracked jokes in regards to my "broken back" LoL. after the x-rays where done and they were wheeling me back out the office personnel started up again and the x-ray tech was like, 'hey hey shhh". LoL. I had a couple real compression fractures.

Last one in 2004 I cased another jump down at The Star during their summer series. Same leg, broke my tib fib again. This time it was clean at my fib but a splintered spiral fracture of my tib. Drove my F350 and 40ft 5th wheel all the way up the mountain holding my left leg in the air. I called ahead to the hospital telling them to call in the x-ray tech as it was gonna be midnight before I got home. They laughed at me again. I limped into the ER and sat in the admitting chair. When the nurse showed up I told her why I was there and she says all sarcastically, "Wait, you are supposed to have a broken leg?". LoL. Once again the joking started until they wheeled me back out the X-ray room. I was in a cast for 33 weeks for that one.
5/26/2015 11:07am
Yeah, I had to take my wife to the ER in San Jose due to a kidney stone. Was there two hours, got some pain meds, and was sent on our way.

The total bill was $17,000.


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5/26/2015 1:26pm
JeepnMike wrote:
Since there is a handful of medical professionals here, I will add light humor to the thread. While I was in the recovery room from having...
Since there is a handful of medical professionals here, I will add light humor to the thread. While I was in the recovery room from having the femur side of my knee screwed back together, I was laying there with an epidural in my back. For those that have never had an epidural, you literally can't feel a thing from your waist down. Anyway, I was well drugged, and really tripping about the lack of sensation down south. I was sort of grabbing my wanger because it felt dead and the nurse looked at me confused and asked what I was doing. In my drugged state, the only reply I had was "trying to wake up my friend" Grinning
Lol. Glad you didn't pull it off completely.
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5/26/2015 11:30pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2015 11:41pm
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I cased a huge table to single and broke my back really bad awhile ago. I fractured my L 3 horizontal only a few mm from...
I cased a huge table to single and broke my back really bad awhile ago. I fractured my L 3 horizontal only a few mm from all the way and broke off a huge chunk of bone that lodged into a nerve. I also burst two discs and bulged two. I was laying on the track paralyzed, no feeling in my legs on a blind landing. Pee was coming out as I bear crawled to the side. I felt the feeling come back and was able to get helped up. I told a guy I could not even try and start my bike so he did and I got on and actually rode a wheelie on way to the trailer. I pulled in and couldn't get off and needed help. My buddy drove home. I went to doctor and we did tests and he gave me an injection. He knew I did not like pain meds but he wrote me two scripts and he gave me two boxes of 5 Fentanyl patches and put two on my arm. We got the scripts filled of pain pills and I ate a few. That night I was hurting so bad it was incredible. The doctor suggests I remove the fentanyl patches from arm and put two near my heart. In the morning I'm on the floor in and out of consciousness and my mom comes by and calls ambulance. At the hospital I get wheeled into the hall way and left there. I'm in fetal position and throwing up on a cart in hallway. I notice the nurse holding the two fentinol boxes that are held together by the script for ten, five in each box but I had used four. She comes over and says, "we all know your not hurt, you just want pain meds. You got these yesterday and nine are gone" I couldn't even speak and it was like I was in a nightmare. She was accusing me of being a addict and I don't even drink. Well my mom points out that there is five in one box and one in the other and why and then she gives the lady my two FULL pain pill bottles and says, "what kind of junkie brings all his pain meds in and hasn't even taken hardly any?" Right then the nurse said OMG we are so sorry. They instantly wheel me in a private room and hook me up to the delaudid drip and the pain subsides. The surgeon said I should have never been able to take one step. Surgery was a complete success.
First of all, don't do a goddamn wheelie on the way back to your trailer, especially after having to bear crawl your way off the track...
First of all, don't do a goddamn wheelie on the way back to your trailer, especially after having to bear crawl your way off the track.

Second, your "buddy back surgeon" who "did some tests" and gave you an injection is a world-class moron and should have his medical license revoked, assuming he even has one.

Lastly, you proceeded to "eat a few" of your fentanyl patches after putting two on your arm? Do you have any idea how dangerous fentanyl is? Probably not, judging by how stupid everything in this post sounds.
lol dude... are you partially retarded? or are you full blown mentally handicapped?? like down syndrome or something?

1.) his buddy is not a back surgeon.... he said his buddy DROVE him TO the doctor.. who then did tests.. and gave injection.

2. He never said he fucking ate the fent patches. He said he ate a few of the PAIN PILLS that he filled at the pharmacy...Maybe you should fucking read next time before you post some dumbass ignorant shit

Do you have any idea how much of a fucking ignorant prick / douche bag you are ??? Your entire fucking post as you cry like a little fucking bitch, judging this guy over various things? well you got 100% of it wrong because you are an ignorant fucking douche bag who cant read..... like LITERALLY 100% of what you commented on is COMPLETELY WRONG / FALSE / UNTRUE.

LEARN TO READ RETARD
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Dude. I'm a nurse. This happens all the time. She shouldn't of accused you. But holy shit didn't the doctor tell you how to use that...
Dude. I'm a nurse. This happens all the time. She shouldn't of accused you. But holy shit didn't the doctor tell you how to use that med? Didnt the pharmacist consult you about that med???

You are lucky you didn't stop breathing.

When you said you ate a few. What does that mean. Did you actually ingest them? Drug seekers do this. They suck on them to get messed up. If you ate them you're an asshole. The box tells you for EPIDERMIC USE ONLY. DO NOT INGEST.

I can't tell you the drug and alcohol dependent patients I take care of that withdraw to the point where they are intubated for three weeks and cannot be weaned. Trached and then they just die a few months later from sepsis.

Fentanyl patches aren't anything to mess with. Fentanyl inhibits your drive to breathe and can easily be toxic to someone who is straight edged. You're lucky. And if you were my patient immediately I would suspect you're a drug addict and talk about it with the physicians treating you. I wouldn't of accused you but in your medical record it would of been noted.
HOLY SHIT he didnt fucking eat the fent patches!!! He said he put the fent patches on his arm!!!! and then he said he proceeded to the pharmacy to fill the SCRIPT of PILLS and ATE A FEW PILLS........

goddamn it why is it soooooooooo hard for you people to fuckin read ???

He knew I did not like pain meds but he wrote me two scripts and he gave me two boxes of 5 Fentanyl patches and put two on my arm. We got the scripts filled of pain pills and I ate a few.
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5/27/2015 12:06am
To be fair, I think FLmxer worded his original post poorly. Giving these joker's the idea that he ate the patches. Obviously though, they jumped ugly all over the guy vitard style not picking up the true vibe of the story. A little common sense and if you've been around the board you know FLmxer isnt number one, an addict chasing prescription medx. Number two, he's not mentally challenged to the point of eating fentanyl patches. Ok, youre new to the board and arent familiar with the guy? Reserve judgement and also, STFU NEWBS!
5/27/2015 12:18am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2015 12:23am
Insider347 wrote:
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
They were probably talking about people that were overdosing. It has no negative effects. If someone isn't breathing it's one of the first things we give. Breathing comes before withdrawal symptoms any day of the week.
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Insider347 wrote:
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
They were probably talking about people that were overdosing. It has no negative effects. If someone isn't breathing it's one of the first things we give...
They were probably talking about people that were overdosing. It has no negative effects. If someone isn't breathing it's one of the first things we give. Breathing comes before withdrawal symptoms any day of the week.
Not like opiate withdrawl's can kill you anyways. Alcohol and perhaps benzo withdrawl are the only 2 substances that can take that distinction. And since I brought up alcohol I'm curious how many on here calling druggie this and junkie that, like to partake in some alcoholic beverages socially, on the weekends, after riding at the track, etc. Then of course jump in their truck,car and drive home from the track, bar, whatever. I do know alcohol isnt bad for you though, the goverment told me so. Excuse me y'all, I headin down the the packy and get me a 30 pack and a carton of Marb Red's.
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I had a experience back in 1989, it was November, I just got a brand new CR125RL (1990 model), I took the day off work to run it in, one of the guys who worked at Honda shop got his the week before and I had both bikes on the trailer as he was meant to ride with me. Anyway, I ran the bike in, the other guy didnt turn up, but his GF lived up my road, so I went to drop off the bike, but when I got there they said they were about t go ride on their new private track, so I decided to go along even though I was a bit tried form riding the bike all afternoon. We got to the track, it was very rough hadnt been groomed yet so I kind of plodded my way around not really trying hard (I hadnt setup the suspension yet), I did 20 laps then decided one more lap....part of the track had a huge drop off with a raised lip at the top....I decided because it was my last lap to throw it sideways...but because i hit the lip of the drop off a lot harder and faster than I had the previous 20 laps and I hadnt setup the rear suspension yet to my liking it threw me off...I went up 3 stories in height (the guy behind me saw it all) and came down on my back....how i did not get paralysed I do not know, perhaps the kidney belt saved it...or was young enough to absorb it or how I landed i dont remember it....but what was worse was that the bike came down after me and the end of the handlebars hit my stomach. I thought i was winded, went home started pissing out blood, went to emergency doctor then hospital, had CT scan...diagnosis?...punctured kidney....healed itself but did have a followup op to ensure the ureter was properly connected to the kidney, as they thought it was a bit suspect....they sued staples on the cut so have a lovely long thick scar on my side/back. Went back racing in a years time.
5/27/2015 2:00am
Insider347 wrote:
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
They were probably talking about people that were overdosing. It has no negative effects. If someone isn't breathing it's one of the first things we give...
They were probably talking about people that were overdosing. It has no negative effects. If someone isn't breathing it's one of the first things we give. Breathing comes before withdrawal symptoms any day of the week.
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Not like opiate withdrawl's can kill you anyways. Alcohol and perhaps benzo withdrawl are the only 2 substances that can take that distinction. And since I...
Not like opiate withdrawl's can kill you anyways. Alcohol and perhaps benzo withdrawl are the only 2 substances that can take that distinction. And since I brought up alcohol I'm curious how many on here calling druggie this and junkie that, like to partake in some alcoholic beverages socially, on the weekends, after riding at the track, etc. Then of course jump in their truck,car and drive home from the track, bar, whatever. I do know alcohol isnt bad for you though, the goverment told me so. Excuse me y'all, I headin down the the packy and get me a 30 pack and a carton of Marb Red's.
Haha don't want to side track the original thread but that comes from the same government that encourages a daily intake of sugar and wonders why healthcare expenses are out of control when the average American understands 0% of how their body works.
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I cased a huge table to single and broke my back really bad awhile ago. I fractured my L 3 horizontal only a few mm from...
I cased a huge table to single and broke my back really bad awhile ago. I fractured my L 3 horizontal only a few mm from all the way and broke off a huge chunk of bone that lodged into a nerve. I also burst two discs and bulged two. I was laying on the track paralyzed, no feeling in my legs on a blind landing. Pee was coming out as I bear crawled to the side. I felt the feeling come back and was able to get helped up. I told a guy I could not even try and start my bike so he did and I got on and actually rode a wheelie on way to the trailer. I pulled in and couldn't get off and needed help. My buddy drove home. I went to doctor and we did tests and he gave me an injection. He knew I did not like pain meds but he wrote me two scripts and he gave me two boxes of 5 Fentanyl patches and put two on my arm. We got the scripts filled of pain pills and I ate a few. That night I was hurting so bad it was incredible. The doctor suggests I remove the fentanyl patches from arm and put two near my heart. In the morning I'm on the floor in and out of consciousness and my mom comes by and calls ambulance. At the hospital I get wheeled into the hall way and left there. I'm in fetal position and throwing up on a cart in hallway. I notice the nurse holding the two fentinol boxes that are held together by the script for ten, five in each box but I had used four. She comes over and says, "we all know your not hurt, you just want pain meds. You got these yesterday and nine are gone" I couldn't even speak and it was like I was in a nightmare. She was accusing me of being a addict and I don't even drink. Well my mom points out that there is five in one box and one in the other and why and then she gives the lady my two FULL pain pill bottles and says, "what kind of junkie brings all his pain meds in and hasn't even taken hardly any?" Right then the nurse said OMG we are so sorry. They instantly wheel me in a private room and hook me up to the delaudid drip and the pain subsides. The surgeon said I should have never been able to take one step. Surgery was a complete success.
First of all, don't do a goddamn wheelie on the way back to your trailer, especially after having to bear crawl your way off the track...
First of all, don't do a goddamn wheelie on the way back to your trailer, especially after having to bear crawl your way off the track.

Second, your "buddy back surgeon" who "did some tests" and gave you an injection is a world-class moron and should have his medical license revoked, assuming he even has one.

Lastly, you proceeded to "eat a few" of your fentanyl patches after putting two on your arm? Do you have any idea how dangerous fentanyl is? Probably not, judging by how stupid everything in this post sounds.
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lol dude... are you partially retarded? or are you full blown mentally handicapped?? like down syndrome or something? 1.) his buddy is not a back surgeon...
lol dude... are you partially retarded? or are you full blown mentally handicapped?? like down syndrome or something?

1.) his buddy is not a back surgeon.... he said his buddy DROVE him TO the doctor.. who then did tests.. and gave injection.

2. He never said he fucking ate the fent patches. He said he ate a few of the PAIN PILLS that he filled at the pharmacy...Maybe you should fucking read next time before you post some dumbass ignorant shit

Do you have any idea how much of a fucking ignorant prick / douche bag you are ??? Your entire fucking post as you cry like a little fucking bitch, judging this guy over various things? well you got 100% of it wrong because you are an ignorant fucking douche bag who cant read..... like LITERALLY 100% of what you commented on is COMPLETELY WRONG / FALSE / UNTRUE.

LEARN TO READ RETARD
On behalf of all the medical professionals in this thread, I would like to thank YOU, for coming to our rescue, this can be a tough place for us. Give my best to Jimmy D, sucks that we won't be seeing him at the nats this year, can he win the championship in CAN MX2? He's got my vote.
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I got a dozen i guess. Where to start.

The stretcher breaking loose and ramming my head into the ambulance when I'd broken my neck and was paralyzed.

Being left in a broom closet in gainsville when broke my leg.

This huge othro clinic closing while i was in a room and being locked in.

Being tackled by a security guard when i was near dying ,out my mind with heat stroke when they thought i was just drunk,came very close to dying that time,right in the damn er.

That's why i try to fix myself in the barn now.
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5/27/2015 4:56am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2015 6:04am
hillbilly wrote:
I got a dozen i guess. Where to start. The stretcher breaking loose and ramming my head into the ambulance when I'd broken my neck and...
I got a dozen i guess. Where to start.

The stretcher breaking loose and ramming my head into the ambulance when I'd broken my neck and was paralyzed.

Being left in a broom closet in gainsville when broke my leg.

This huge othro clinic closing while i was in a room and being locked in.

Being tackled by a security guard when i was near dying ,out my mind with heat stroke when they thought i was just drunk,came very close to dying that time,right in the damn er.

That's why i try to fix myself in the barn now.
Shit man, no wonder you ended up strung out on drugs. I thought your days of "fixing" yourself were behind you. Recovery is a lifelong battle and we are all here for you.
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hillbilly wrote:
I got a dozen i guess. Where to start. The stretcher breaking loose and ramming my head into the ambulance when I'd broken my neck and...
I got a dozen i guess. Where to start.

The stretcher breaking loose and ramming my head into the ambulance when I'd broken my neck and was paralyzed.

Being left in a broom closet in gainsville when broke my leg.

This huge othro clinic closing while i was in a room and being locked in.

Being tackled by a security guard when i was near dying ,out my mind with heat stroke when they thought i was just drunk,came very close to dying that time,right in the damn er.

That's why i try to fix myself in the barn now.
Shit man, no wonder you ended up strung out on drugs. I thought your days of "fixing" yourself were behind you. Recovery is a lifelong battle...
Shit man, no wonder you ended up strung out on drugs. I thought your days of "fixing" yourself were behind you. Recovery is a lifelong battle and we are all here for you.
Lol,fixing myself in the barn dont mean, getting fired up before i fire up the mower,

I've done a lot of things,everything i guess but sticking a needle in my arm was one i knew would kill me. A limiter is something never installed,like back in the day when lemmon 714s were around everbody took one or 2,I'd take 5 or 6 .,mushrooms,lol,eat thewhole bag .

Fixin myself in the barn means making a split for my broke arm or pulling the pins out my ankle with pelican nose pliers.

Reading into your post says you know ,,,,,,

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Dude. I'm a nurse. This happens all the time. She shouldn't of accused you. But holy shit didn't the doctor tell you how to use that...
Dude. I'm a nurse. This happens all the time. She shouldn't of accused you. But holy shit didn't the doctor tell you how to use that med? Didnt the pharmacist consult you about that med???

You are lucky you didn't stop breathing.

When you said you ate a few. What does that mean. Did you actually ingest them? Drug seekers do this. They suck on them to get messed up. If you ate them you're an asshole. The box tells you for EPIDERMIC USE ONLY. DO NOT INGEST.

I can't tell you the drug and alcohol dependent patients I take care of that withdraw to the point where they are intubated for three weeks and cannot be weaned. Trached and then they just die a few months later from sepsis.

Fentanyl patches aren't anything to mess with. Fentanyl inhibits your drive to breathe and can easily be toxic to someone who is straight edged. You're lucky. And if you were my patient immediately I would suspect you're a drug addict and talk about it with the physicians treating you. I wouldn't of accused you but in your medical record it would of been noted.
I'm also an ER nurse and while she shouldn't have just came out and accused you, I would have been thinking the same thing, lol.
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That sucks because I was a legitimate patient in need of immediate care and at no time did I deserve any of that non sense. Fuck...
That sucks because I was a legitimate patient in need of immediate care and at no time did I deserve any of that non sense. Fuck I paid 100, 000 a year for a nurse to stay with my inlaw and I get treated like shit by a nurse. Good times.
No dude. I didn't say I would be right. Just that in my head I would be thinking that. You quickly become jaded dealing with the frequent flyers and drug seekers that come to the ER. Its not a good thing either ads it's unfortunate, but happens to most of us at some point. I see where you said that you weren't eating the backing off of the fentanyl patches, you meant you were eating pills. That changes the whole scenario. I would have thought you were a seeker then. There's actually people that extract the fentanyl from the patches and then inject it. I'm telling you these dudes are hardcore and very intuitive, lol.
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I'm also an ER nurse and while she shouldn't have just came out and accused you, I would have been thinking the same thing, lol.
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That sucks because I was a legitimate patient in need of immediate care and at no time did I deserve any of that non sense. Fuck...
That sucks because I was a legitimate patient in need of immediate care and at no time did I deserve any of that non sense. Fuck I paid 100, 000 a year for a nurse to stay with my inlaw and I get treated like shit by a nurse. Good times.
No dude. I didn't say I would be right. Just that in my head I would be thinking that. You quickly become jaded dealing with the...
No dude. I didn't say I would be right. Just that in my head I would be thinking that. You quickly become jaded dealing with the frequent flyers and drug seekers that come to the ER. Its not a good thing either ads it's unfortunate, but happens to most of us at some point. I see where you said that you weren't eating the backing off of the fentanyl patches, you meant you were eating pills. That changes the whole scenario. I would have thought you were a seeker then. There's actually people that extract the fentanyl from the patches and then inject it. I'm telling you these dudes are hardcore and very intuitive, lol.
That's nuts. I understand where you are coming from. I did edit my original post but before I did I still could not see where you guys got that idea. Lol I figured I better make it more clear I guess for our minimal English speaking friends on here. Lol no worries your still a hero to me for all you do. It takes a very strong person to do what you do.
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FLmxer wrote:
That sucks because I was a legitimate patient in need of immediate care and at no time did I deserve any of that non sense. Fuck...
That sucks because I was a legitimate patient in need of immediate care and at no time did I deserve any of that non sense. Fuck I paid 100, 000 a year for a nurse to stay with my inlaw and I get treated like shit by a nurse. Good times.
No dude. I didn't say I would be right. Just that in my head I would be thinking that. You quickly become jaded dealing with the...
No dude. I didn't say I would be right. Just that in my head I would be thinking that. You quickly become jaded dealing with the frequent flyers and drug seekers that come to the ER. Its not a good thing either ads it's unfortunate, but happens to most of us at some point. I see where you said that you weren't eating the backing off of the fentanyl patches, you meant you were eating pills. That changes the whole scenario. I would have thought you were a seeker then. There's actually people that extract the fentanyl from the patches and then inject it. I'm telling you these dudes are hardcore and very intuitive, lol.
FLmxer wrote:
That's nuts. I understand where you are coming from. I did edit my original post but before I did I still could not see where you...
That's nuts. I understand where you are coming from. I did edit my original post but before I did I still could not see where you guys got that idea. Lol I figured I better make it more clear I guess for our minimal English speaking friends on here. Lol no worries your still a hero to me for all you do. It takes a very strong person to do what you do.
Jesus, lol. I just read my last post and I sound retarded. I just got a new phone and I guess I got used to having Swype and got lazy thinking that I had already had Swype on my new phone. I apologize as that shit was hard for me to read, haha.
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5/27/2015 10:39am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2015 10:47am
I broke my right femur and lay on the track for just over four hours before help arrived. Note - my private track a few miles from my home - 1989 before mobile phones. My buddy whom I trained with came late and found me.

I ended up in traction as the leg was too swolen to operate on. By the 6th day I need a serious stiff shit but was in pain each time I moved. The 7th day a nurse pulls in with a massive suppository. ..I know whats coming...she leaves it with me and says she will be back shortly. I panic....Im not having this old crow push a bullet up my zero so I grab the thing, lick it and with great discomfort and pain I succeed at forcing it up my arse. She returns now armed with surgical gloves and lube and is pissed off as she now thinks that I have thrown it away or hiding it from her. So now she returns with a pretty little nurse and another suppository and ignoring my protests I get a second one shoved up my valve.

Many hours later things get worse. Now I need a massive crap. They bring me a bed pan...I work in centimetres but I think the thing is just over 4 inches deep. Sitting in bed with a broken femur in traction and trying to slide a bed pan under your arse is no easy feat. Eventually I settle down....and now im laying this monumental cable but.....things take another turn for the worse. The stiff ol turd has bottomed out in the bed pan and im still try to push the rest out...its too fat to pinch...im hanging with one arm through my monkey chain...my other hand on the bed frame trying to lift myself higher to get more clearance...I failed and had to call the old crow again for assistance. I will not elaborate on what happened next but let me tell you all this...im very afraid of breaking a femur again.

It doesnt end there....they were giving me pethadine shots for pain...they were awesome and made me feel good. One night the old crow was late with my shot and I made a big fuss over it. I was informed that clockwatching for pain meds is the first sign of addiction so they stopped with the shots and instead gave me codis cocktails to drink.

I was 19 when that happened and raced for another 11 years with a good few broken shoulders / collarbones and knee injuries. Im 44 yrs old now and have been battling a codine addiction for the past 7 years. My body is constantly sore all over.
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5/27/2015 10:43am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2015 10:47am
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I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
1. Anyone who comes in my ED with small pupils and respiratory depression is getting narcan. They may even buy themselves a narcan drip and admission to our ICU depending on what they have taken.
2. Urine drug screens take time to come back and are in no way sensitive to detect both the synthetic and non-synthetic opiates (for example mine doesn't come back for hydrocodone, oxycodone, etc).
3. I see drug-seeking behavior daily in the emergency department.
4. I get yelled at daily for not prescribing opiates, often followed by something to the extent of "fuck you man, I'll buy heroin then." which never wins the argument.
5. Fentanyl patches carry an FDA indication for chronic pain, not acute pain, and thus shouldn't have been prescribed in my opinion.

From the FDA: "The fentanyl transdermal system (patch) is used for the management of persistent, moderate to severe chronic pain in opioid-tolerant patients when a continuous, around-the-clock opioid analgesic is needed for an extended period of time."

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/2007/ucm10904…
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5/27/2015 11:26am
Insider347 wrote:
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40...
I find it pretty bad that everyone on here calls addicts junkies and just assume they're shit. I was addicted to hydro for 4 years (40 pills a day) and on Suboxone for 10 years. I seeked help on my own and free of opiates now but I struggle every now and then. I know there are real junkies out there but not all. And the nurse who says she uses Narcan first is so disrespectful. To put anyone let alone a legit patient through possible withdrawl is absurd. Maybe a simple piss test would work. Maybe try to offer or recommend some place for help. It was very hard for me to make my first call for help. My addiction ruined a huge part of my life and took away my talent of motocross. Don't assume your patients are all trash. Narcan and Nalexone are used mainly for overdoses. Remember addiction is a mental health problem for alot of white collar people too. Doctors used to prescribe too many opiates to patients who didn't need them and that's the problem.
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1. Anyone who comes in my ED with small pupils and respiratory depression is getting narcan. They may even buy themselves a narcan drip and admission...
1. Anyone who comes in my ED with small pupils and respiratory depression is getting narcan. They may even buy themselves a narcan drip and admission to our ICU depending on what they have taken.
2. Urine drug screens take time to come back and are in no way sensitive to detect both the synthetic and non-synthetic opiates (for example mine doesn't come back for hydrocodone, oxycodone, etc).
3. I see drug-seeking behavior daily in the emergency department.
4. I get yelled at daily for not prescribing opiates, often followed by something to the extent of "fuck you man, I'll buy heroin then." which never wins the argument.
5. Fentanyl patches carry an FDA indication for chronic pain, not acute pain, and thus shouldn't have been prescribed in my opinion.

From the FDA: "The fentanyl transdermal system (patch) is used for the management of persistent, moderate to severe chronic pain in opioid-tolerant patients when a continuous, around-the-clock opioid analgesic is needed for an extended period of time."

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/2007/ucm10904…
Unfortunately, doctors don't typically get to spend a lot of time getting to know their patients or trying to understand exactly what they are going thru, and use blanket solutions, as described in your first point. There are no solutions that can be applied, that would be equally effective on every patient. There seem to be more people suffering from pain and addiction and the issues are complex and multidimensional, but understanding and compassion should be a doctor's first duty to their patients. One question doc, regarding point 4, do you believe that your patients are turning to heroin, or do you think it is part of their attempt to get a prescription for medication?
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5/27/2015 11:40am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2015 11:51am
Unfortunately, doctors don't typically get to spend a lot of time getting to know their patients or trying to understand exactly what they are going thru...
Unfortunately, doctors don't typically get to spend a lot of time getting to know their patients or trying to understand exactly what they are going thru, and use blanket solutions, as described in your first point. There are no solutions that can be applied, that would be equally effective on every patient. There seem to be more people suffering from pain and addiction and the issues are complex and multidimensional, but understanding and compassion should be a doctor's first duty to their patients. One question doc, regarding point 4, do you believe that your patients are turning to heroin, or do you think it is part of their attempt to get a prescription for medication?
So my role as an emergency medicine practitioner is to treat acute pain syndrome (fracture, dislocation, PE, etc) and chronic syndromes that are well documented and reasonable (multiple sclerosis, cancer, sickle cell disease). My role is not to bridge patients between providers (for example,chronic opiates for back pain where their PCP has terminated their relationship or fired the patient for not upholding their end or something like acute on chronic dental pain).

The patients who threaten me or threaten to buy drugs on the street further illustrate that they are going to be abusing these medications and I have no interest or obligation to fill a controlled substance for them. Quiet honestly, we can detect this behavior from outside the door, and when time permits, I'll often search the patient on our state-wide prescription reporting data base (all controlled substances that are filled are reported here including #tabs, type of med, location filled, and provider who wrote the scripts). IMO the patients who make these threats are dependent on opiates, often with well documented drug-seeking behavior, and no physician should write them an opiate prescription unless they have objective data to back up the patients claim.

Opiates are a problem. They are a problem in the ED, primary care setting, and on the streets. Multiple agencies have made it their mission to cut down on the prescribing habits of physicians, especially in chronic pain situations, which often lead to dependency and subsequent abuse.

ACEP, the major organizing body for emergency providers, has made it their major campaign in recent years (http://www.acep.org/workarea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=88197).
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MDMCG wrote:
So my role as an emergency medicine practitioner is to treat acute pain syndrome (fracture, dislocation, PE, etc) and chronic syndromes that are well documented and...
So my role as an emergency medicine practitioner is to treat acute pain syndrome (fracture, dislocation, PE, etc) and chronic syndromes that are well documented and reasonable (multiple sclerosis, cancer, sickle cell disease). My role is not to bridge patients between providers (for example,chronic opiates for back pain where their PCP has terminated their relationship or fired the patient for not upholding their end or something like acute on chronic dental pain).

The patients who threaten me or threaten to buy drugs on the street further illustrate that they are going to be abusing these medications and I have no interest or obligation to fill a controlled substance for them. Quiet honestly, we can detect this behavior from outside the door, and when time permits, I'll often search the patient on our state-wide prescription reporting data base (all controlled substances that are filled are reported here including #tabs, type of med, location filled, and provider who wrote the scripts). IMO the patients who make these threats are dependent on opiates, often with well documented drug-seeking behavior, and no physician should write them an opiate prescription unless they have objective data to back up the patients claim.

Opiates are a problem. They are a problem in the ED, primary care setting, and on the streets. Multiple agencies have made it their mission to cut down on the prescribing habits of physicians, especially in chronic pain situations, which often lead to dependency and subsequent abuse.

ACEP, the major organizing body for emergency providers, has made it their major campaign in recent years (http://www.acep.org/workarea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=88197).
Thanks for putting up the links and posting on the site. It is very interesting to read your candid responses which provide insight from a practioner's point of view. I hope that some common ground can be reached between the patients who really need medication and the doctors who are burdened with the responsibility of determining who should or should not be prescribed. Thanks again

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