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Edited Date/Time 5/25/2015 8:49pm
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM?

Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never seen RD do that, although I imagine it's happened before. I read a mini-interview somewhere before the race where Dungey said he was stoked at his setup, and that he was set to go. Well...that didn't seem to be the case Saturday. He didn't look horrible, but he sure didn't appear to be flowing with the bike the way Tomac was. I haven't found any interview since the race where he's mentioned anything else about his setup...or what caused his stalls.

Hope he gets things worked out fast, or this might be a Tomac runaway.
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davistld01 wrote:
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM? Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never...
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM?

Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never seen RD do that, although I imagine it's happened before. I read a mini-interview somewhere before the race where Dungey said he was stoked at his setup, and that he was set to go. Well...that didn't seem to be the case Saturday. He didn't look horrible, but he sure didn't appear to be flowing with the bike the way Tomac was. I haven't found any interview since the race where he's mentioned anything else about his setup...or what caused his stalls.

Hope he gets things worked out fast, or this might be a Tomac runaway.
First moto, I thought he looked quite comfortable. Tomac and him were running a great pace before he had the first bike issue when it stalled going into the S-turns before the finish. After that, he held a great pace before it started to cut out late in the moto and stalled again
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Hut 5/25/2015 9:37am
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I just watched on TV but I agree Dungey looked alright in the 1st moto until it stalled. I personally thought Tomac was pushing harder and would eventually get by him but Dungey wasn't gonna make it easy; he looked pretty fast to me.
That dang ktm stalling, robbed us all of watching an epic battle.
RailinRuts450 5/25/2015 9:54am
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I don't think anything is wrong with Dungey. Who knows with the bike, maybe boiled some fuel, maybe electrical gremlins. They'll get it figured out.
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There were some videos on instagram saturday evening in the ktm pits. The engine blew. They swapped engines between motos.

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There were some videos on instagram saturday evening in the ktm pits. The engine blew. They swapped engines between motos.
There were some videos on instagram saturday evening in the ktm pits. The engine blew. They swapped engines between motos.
I shot the video for Vital. The engine didn't "blow", they had some sort of problem they couldn't trace. The engine would still start and run okay, but at low RPMs it was stuttering. They tried a few small things, but none of them were helping. To be safe, Roger asked the guys to swap the engine, throttle body, wiring harness, ECU, etc.
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There were some videos on instagram saturday evening in the ktm pits. The engine blew. They swapped engines between motos.
There were some videos on instagram saturday evening in the ktm pits. The engine blew. They swapped engines between motos.
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I shot the video for Vital. The engine didn't "blow", they had some sort of problem they couldn't trace. The engine would still start and run...
I shot the video for Vital. The engine didn't "blow", they had some sort of problem they couldn't trace. The engine would still start and run okay, but at low RPMs it was stuttering. They tried a few small things, but none of them were helping. To be safe, Roger asked the guys to swap the engine, throttle body, wiring harness, ECU, etc.
10-4, i couldnt remember who shot the video. Apologies for loose terming the blown engine. Swapping engines in what was it, 2 minutes? That was crazy. Hands and tools all over the place and voila! New engine in place!
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Dtat720 wrote:
There were some videos on instagram saturday evening in the ktm pits. The engine blew. They swapped engines between motos.
There were some videos on instagram saturday evening in the ktm pits. The engine blew. They swapped engines between motos.
ML512 wrote:
I shot the video for Vital. The engine didn't "blow", they had some sort of problem they couldn't trace. The engine would still start and run...
I shot the video for Vital. The engine didn't "blow", they had some sort of problem they couldn't trace. The engine would still start and run okay, but at low RPMs it was stuttering. They tried a few small things, but none of them were helping. To be safe, Roger asked the guys to swap the engine, throttle body, wiring harness, ECU, etc.
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10-4, i couldnt remember who shot the video. Apologies for loose terming the blown engine. Swapping engines in what was it, 2 minutes? That was crazy...
10-4, i couldnt remember who shot the video. Apologies for loose terming the blown engine. Swapping engines in what was it, 2 minutes? That was crazy. Hands and tools all over the place and voila! New engine in place!
No kidding it would have taken me a couple days and a really sore back, a few busted knuckles... and a lot of four letter words to swap that thing out! Tongue
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davistld01 5/25/2015 11:36am
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Well, one thing about not finding an interview with Dungey...it proves again how he rolls. He NEVER blames the bike or the team for his failures. Never. That's one of the things I appreciate...his professionalism.

Hope next week is a different story. I'm not a Tomac-hater at all...nor a Dungey-fanboy, but I'm a fan of watching great racing.
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Dtat720 wrote:
10-4, i couldnt remember who shot the video. Apologies for loose terming the blown engine. Swapping engines in what was it, 2 minutes? That was crazy...
10-4, i couldnt remember who shot the video. Apologies for loose terming the blown engine. Swapping engines in what was it, 2 minutes? That was crazy. Hands and tools all over the place and voila! New engine in place!
Once they committed to pulling the engine, they had the old one out and new one in within 5 minutes. About another 7-8 mins later they almost had the entire bike back together, really impressive to watch.
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Dtat720 5/25/2015 11:58am
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Well, one thing about not finding an interview with Dungey...it proves again how he rolls. He NEVER blames the bike or the team for his failures...
Well, one thing about not finding an interview with Dungey...it proves again how he rolls. He NEVER blames the bike or the team for his failures. Never. That's one of the things I appreciate...his professionalism.

Hope next week is a different story. I'm not a Tomac-hater at all...nor a Dungey-fanboy, but I'm a fan of watching great racing.
I think that plays in with his former self. I say that based on a few interviews he has done talking about before Aldon and marriage. Before, he put all the pressure on himself and if he didnt do as well as he wanted, it was all on him internally, he was doing his program on his own. He always said his team gave him the tools to win, winning was his job and if he didnt win, it was something he did or didnt do to prepare well enough. Having turned his program over, his attitude hasnt changed in that regard. Very admirable. Definately a team guy.
TbonesPop 5/25/2015 1:43pm
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I was amazed that he still ran the pace he ran after the engine was sputtering/having issues. If it were me, I'd be so mentally blocked from hucking any jumps or any sketchy sections of the track (as if I could ever do some of the stuff they were doing at GH anyway LOL). People were talking about the gap Tomac put on Dungey after the bike stalled and he got past him. I was more amazed/im0pressed that Dungey ran the pace he did all knowing the bike could let loose or chop out at any moment. The mechanical issues did rob us of an epic early season battle between the two.
overthebars39 5/25/2015 1:56pm
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It's maybe coincidence, but it happend in the extact same spot.
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ML512 wrote:
I shot the video for Vital. The engine didn't "blow", they had some sort of problem they couldn't trace. The engine would still start and run...
I shot the video for Vital. The engine didn't "blow", they had some sort of problem they couldn't trace. The engine would still start and run okay, but at low RPMs it was stuttering. They tried a few small things, but none of them were helping. To be safe, Roger asked the guys to swap the engine, throttle body, wiring harness, ECU, etc.
Dtat720 wrote:
10-4, i couldnt remember who shot the video. Apologies for loose terming the blown engine. Swapping engines in what was it, 2 minutes? That was crazy...
10-4, i couldnt remember who shot the video. Apologies for loose terming the blown engine. Swapping engines in what was it, 2 minutes? That was crazy. Hands and tools all over the place and voila! New engine in place!
bvm111 wrote:
No kidding it would have taken me a couple days and a really sore back, a few busted knuckles... and a lot of four letter words...
No kidding it would have taken me a couple days and a really sore back, a few busted knuckles... and a lot of four letter words to swap that thing out! Tongue
Don't forget misplaced tools, at least for me anyway.
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Now I see why Dung always mentions team-work, the engine change is like watching highly skilled surgeon's doing a transplant.
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Need to check tape, but tomac also said rd had another stall on a up hill.
So 3 stalls.possible
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davistld01 wrote:
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM? Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never...
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM?

Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never seen RD do that, although I imagine it's happened before. I read a mini-interview somewhere before the race where Dungey said he was stoked at his setup, and that he was set to go. Well...that didn't seem to be the case Saturday. He didn't look horrible, but he sure didn't appear to be flowing with the bike the way Tomac was. I haven't found any interview since the race where he's mentioned anything else about his setup...or what caused his stalls.

Hope he gets things worked out fast, or this might be a Tomac runaway.
ML512 wrote:
First moto, I thought he looked quite comfortable. Tomac and him were running a great pace before he had the first bike issue when it stalled...
First moto, I thought he looked quite comfortable. Tomac and him were running a great pace before he had the first bike issue when it stalled going into the S-turns before the finish. After that, he held a great pace before it started to cut out late in the moto and stalled again
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that pace. I think Dungey is riding well and just needs to keep riding as fast as he is and staying upright. In the end he will put himself in a strong position to win if Eli can't keep it upright.
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They ever nail down what caused the engine to stall?

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davistld01 wrote:
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM? Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never...
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM?

Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never seen RD do that, although I imagine it's happened before. I read a mini-interview somewhere before the race where Dungey said he was stoked at his setup, and that he was set to go. Well...that didn't seem to be the case Saturday. He didn't look horrible, but he sure didn't appear to be flowing with the bike the way Tomac was. I haven't found any interview since the race where he's mentioned anything else about his setup...or what caused his stalls.

Hope he gets things worked out fast, or this might be a Tomac runaway.
ML512 wrote:
First moto, I thought he looked quite comfortable. Tomac and him were running a great pace before he had the first bike issue when it stalled...
First moto, I thought he looked quite comfortable. Tomac and him were running a great pace before he had the first bike issue when it stalled going into the S-turns before the finish. After that, he held a great pace before it started to cut out late in the moto and stalled again
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Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that...
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that pace. I think Dungey is riding well and just needs to keep riding as fast as he is and staying upright. In the end he will put himself in a strong position to win if Eli can't keep it upright.
Why do people assume hes on the edge or WFO?

Maybe thats his speed.

He proccesses the track at a pace differently than us.

A lot faster than us mortals.

He is 'next level'. End of story.
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davistld01 wrote:
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM? Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never...
So...what's up with Dungey, and maybe more importantly...what's up with the KTM?

Ryan stalled the bike at least twice at Glen Helen, last Saturday...and I've never seen RD do that, although I imagine it's happened before. I read a mini-interview somewhere before the race where Dungey said he was stoked at his setup, and that he was set to go. Well...that didn't seem to be the case Saturday. He didn't look horrible, but he sure didn't appear to be flowing with the bike the way Tomac was. I haven't found any interview since the race where he's mentioned anything else about his setup...or what caused his stalls.

Hope he gets things worked out fast, or this might be a Tomac runaway.
ML512 wrote:
First moto, I thought he looked quite comfortable. Tomac and him were running a great pace before he had the first bike issue when it stalled...
First moto, I thought he looked quite comfortable. Tomac and him were running a great pace before he had the first bike issue when it stalled going into the S-turns before the finish. After that, he held a great pace before it started to cut out late in the moto and stalled again
karsmakers wrote:
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that...
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that pace. I think Dungey is riding well and just needs to keep riding as fast as he is and staying upright. In the end he will put himself in a strong position to win if Eli can't keep it upright.
Dungey needs to make up 19 points.
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I'm guessing KTM is running the trick throttle body/EFI that we heard about during the SX season? I seem to remember the thing was a total bitch to maintain, and it needed constant cleaning.
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What ever the problem was ,Roger and crew probably already figured out 3 different ways to fix it.
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karsmakers wrote:
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that...
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that pace. I think Dungey is riding well and just needs to keep riding as fast as he is and staying upright. In the end he will put himself in a strong position to win if Eli can't keep it upright.
How can you tell that he is riding "On the edge"? Looks pretty comfortable to me.
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How can you tell that he is riding "On the edge"? Looks pretty comfortable to me.
Thats what i was thinking ,4 motos straight now and he looks solid. The biggest mistake they have showed him make was he lost traction on an uphill once.
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karsmakers wrote:
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that...
Eli is running a pace right on the edge of staying up or going down....and I don't know how long he will stay upright at that pace. I think Dungey is riding well and just needs to keep riding as fast as he is and staying upright. In the end he will put himself in a strong position to win if Eli can't keep it upright.
What about Tomac's pace has him on the edge of staying upright? I've seen slower riders look less in control.

Tomac has always looked fast. This year though he looks better than he's ever looked. And I haven't seen him yet look as though he's out of control.

By your theory is there a point where a rider simply can't go faster without falling? That would be the end of the sport. The fastest guys just start falling over...

Tomac is on some next level stuff this season. Hope he maintains it.

Shane
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Hahahaha I get a kick out of the obvious fan boys and haters. You can always tell who they are.

I'm a fan of motocross. There are guys I like the personality of. For the Top 10 guys, I enjoy watching them all ride. My favorite, I guess at this point, the guy I cheer for is WP. I do like RD and ET also.

ET is not riding the ragged edge of being out of control. The dude just is that fast. The competition is going to have to really step it up to pace him. ET is gonna have a few less than stellar races, but as long as he keeps the rubber side down, it's his to lose.
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Hahahaha I get a kick out of the obvious fan boys and haters. You can always tell who they are. I'm a fan of motocross. There...
Hahahaha I get a kick out of the obvious fan boys and haters. You can always tell who they are.

I'm a fan of motocross. There are guys I like the personality of. For the Top 10 guys, I enjoy watching them all ride. My favorite, I guess at this point, the guy I cheer for is WP. I do like RD and ET also.

ET is not riding the ragged edge of being out of control. The dude just is that fast. The competition is going to have to really step it up to pace him. ET is gonna have a few less than stellar races, but as long as he keeps the rubber side down, it's his to lose.
All one has to do is look at the fastest lap times of the various riders at GH. It's pretty much KR, ET, and RD that can run the pace of each other. Everybody else is like 4-5 seconds a lap off of that pace. Shoot, if it weren't for RD and KR, ET could likely crash 1-2 times a race and still win it. I believe if RD doesn't have bike issues and gets it dialed in suspension-wise, he's right there with ET. Once KR is completely healthy, he will be right there too.
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WFO! wrote:
Why do people assume hes on the edge or WFO? Maybe thats his speed. He proccesses the track at a pace differently than us. A lot...
Why do people assume hes on the edge or WFO?

Maybe thats his speed.

He proccesses the track at a pace differently than us.

A lot faster than us mortals.

He is 'next level'. End of story.
WFO wrote..."He processes the track at a pace differently than us". Yep. Alot of riders can lay down a couple heaters but will quickly develope mental fatigue which leads to physical fatigue and bog down in short order. It's amazing to watch a rider thats developed the ability to keep processing mentally at such an extreme pace. Impressive.
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Last year Trey Canard finished the season by winning 4 out of the last 5 motos. He could possibly be up there when he returns also, that could affect the championship.

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