what are the lightest intermediate and hard terrain tires?

Aceofspades
Edited Date/Time 5/6/2015 10:39am
Putting my old 2000 kx 250 on a diet in a few months and was wondering about the lightest tires I could find. Also, is a fat handlebar without crossbar lighter than a regular bar? I hate this fat bar and prefer how a normal set of bars look. Any advice on CHEAP ways to save a little bike weight? I figure aluminum rear sprocket, aluminum bolts at any non-stressed attachment points and light tires would be a good start.
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whats the obsession with the weight savings?
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jtiger12 5/5/2015 4:32am
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Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight.

my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin in the sidewalls. Get lightweight tubes and the plastic motion pro beadlocks.
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Aceofspades 5/5/2015 5:51am
5/5/2015 5:51am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 5:56am
jtiger12 wrote:
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight. my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin...
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight.

my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin in the sidewalls. Get lightweight tubes and the plastic motion pro beadlocks.
Im as hard as steel and chiseled from literal stone! * takes bite of twinkie*
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Aceofspades wrote:
Im as hard as steel and chiseled from literal stone! * takes bite of twinkie*
its just relaxed muscle bro

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Aceofspades 5/5/2015 5:55am
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racerx221 wrote:
whats the obsession with the weight savings?
Youre right. Why would anyone want to have less bike weight to deal with if theyre stuck in a mud pit, easing it down a slippery hill, or will eventually need to replace tires and sprockets anyway so may as well put on lighter ones. How foolish of me.
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racerx221 5/5/2015 6:04am
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Aceofspades wrote:
Youre right. Why would anyone want to have less bike weight to deal with if theyre stuck in a mud pit, easing it down a slippery...
Youre right. Why would anyone want to have less bike weight to deal with if theyre stuck in a mud pit, easing it down a slippery hill, or will eventually need to replace tires and sprockets anyway so may as well put on lighter ones. How foolish of me.
just wondering is all, maybe you were on to something big I don't know. wasn't a dig by any means.
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For all you idiots telling him to go on a diet, fat is lighter than muscle.



Smile



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newmann wrote:
For all you idiots telling him to go on a diet, fat is lighter than muscle.



Smile



can you be more specific? besides you there were two other posts. lol.
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newmann 5/5/2015 6:15am
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I am also interested in a set of lightweight tires for a project I have going on at the moment. So if anyone has any good info I would appreciate it also.


Really wish I could find some 2.75 x 21 fronts and some 3.85 x 18 rears.

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newmann 5/5/2015 6:18am
5/5/2015 6:18am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 6:19am
From a few years back. Couple links in there too.

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Tire-Weight-Thread,1261445


From another site:

Dunlop 952 80/100/21- 8.5lb
Dunlop 952 110/90/19- 11.5lb
Dunlop 952 120/90/19- 12.2lb
Dunlop 952 120/90/18- 13.2lb
Dunlop D756 110/90/19 = 11.9lbs
Dunlop 756RR 120/80/19- 11.0 lb
Dunlop 756RR 80/100/21- 8.6lb
Dunlop 773 110/90/19- 12.8lb
Dunlop 773 80/100/21- 8.4lb
Dunlop 745 120/80/19- 12.2lb
Dunlop 745 90/100/21- 8.4lb
Dunlop 745 80/100/21- 8.0lb
Dunlop 739FA 80/100/21- 8.1

Bridgestone 604 120/80/19- 12.4lb
Bridgestone 603 90/100/21- 8.8lb
Bridgestone 404 110/90/19- 12.0lb
Bridgestone 404 120/80/19- 12.2lb
Bridgestone 403 80/100/21- 8.4lb
Bridgestone 403 90/100/21- 9.2lb

Maxxis Maxxcross IT 110/100-18 14.2 lbs
Maxxis Maxxcross IT 110/90/19 = 12.9lbs

Michelin MS3 110/90/19 = 13.3lbs

Pirelli Scorpion mid/hard 110/90/19 = 11.7lbs
Pirelli Scorpion mid/hard 80/100/21- 8.0lb

Kenda Millville 120/100-18 13.95lbs
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jtiger12 5/5/2015 6:37am
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oh, it wasn't a dig.. I'm on the wrong side of the scale myself. Was just wondering, since the bike you are riding is already pretty damn light compared to a modern 4 stroke.
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SLO1667 5/5/2015 7:22am
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jtiger12 wrote:
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight. my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin...
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight.

my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin in the sidewalls. Get lightweight tubes and the plastic motion pro beadlocks.
maybe you should tell all the 50+ KTM owners that loosing weight is cheaper than buying a $15K dirt cycle. Smile
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Lawrence929 5/5/2015 7:36am
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jtiger12 wrote:
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight. my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin...
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight.

my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin in the sidewalls. Get lightweight tubes and the plastic motion pro beadlocks.
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maybe you should tell all the 50+ KTM owners that loosing weight is cheaper than buying a $15K dirt cycle. Smile
You worked your resentment for KTM owners, the wealthy, and the new FE all into a thread about tires with ZERO provocation.

Fuck yeah.
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gpracer36 5/5/2015 8:22am
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some of you are clearly clueless. He wants his bike to weigh less, not himself. He does not "ride" himself, he rides the bike. The lighter the bike the faster it accelerates, stops, turns, easier to handle through whoops, ect...So funny every time someone brings up saving weight on the bike all the goons say go on a diet. Are you that clueless? What is easier to handle, 250lbs or 220 lbs? Not to mention he is asking about "unsprung weight". Educate yourselves guys before saying dumb shit.
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Aceofspades 5/5/2015 8:24am
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newmann wrote:
For all you idiots telling him to go on a diet, fat is lighter than muscle.



Smile



I can assure you that I could stand to lose twenty pounds lol.
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Use bikemaster NonHD tubes, motion pro lite locks and rim tape. 1/2lb per wheel savings compared to stock on my TM's.

For a tire use a Pirelli MXMH in 110/85-19. It's a lighter, lower profile tire made for 250F's. It will change your gearing so go one size smaller on the rear sprocket if you liked what you had before and were using a 110/90-19.

Aceofspades 5/5/2015 8:27am
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racerx221 wrote:
just wondering is all, maybe you were on to something big I don't know. wasn't a dig by any means.
I was joking as well. I knocked 14 pounds off my old kdx 200 and it made it a new bike, so i think ten pounds might be doable on the kx. Just knocking around ideas for fun.

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Aceofspades 5/5/2015 8:30am
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newmann wrote:
From a few years back. Couple links in there too. http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Tire-Weight-Thread,1261445 From another site: Dunlop 952 80/100/21- 8.5lb Dunlop 952 110/90/19- 11.5lb Dunlop 952 120/90/19- 12.2lb...
From a few years back. Couple links in there too.

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Tire-Weight-Thread,1261445


From another site:

Dunlop 952 80/100/21- 8.5lb
Dunlop 952 110/90/19- 11.5lb
Dunlop 952 120/90/19- 12.2lb
Dunlop 952 120/90/18- 13.2lb
Dunlop D756 110/90/19 = 11.9lbs
Dunlop 756RR 120/80/19- 11.0 lb
Dunlop 756RR 80/100/21- 8.6lb
Dunlop 773 110/90/19- 12.8lb
Dunlop 773 80/100/21- 8.4lb
Dunlop 745 120/80/19- 12.2lb
Dunlop 745 90/100/21- 8.4lb
Dunlop 745 80/100/21- 8.0lb
Dunlop 739FA 80/100/21- 8.1

Bridgestone 604 120/80/19- 12.4lb
Bridgestone 603 90/100/21- 8.8lb
Bridgestone 404 110/90/19- 12.0lb
Bridgestone 404 120/80/19- 12.2lb
Bridgestone 403 80/100/21- 8.4lb
Bridgestone 403 90/100/21- 9.2lb

Maxxis Maxxcross IT 110/100-18 14.2 lbs
Maxxis Maxxcross IT 110/90/19 = 12.9lbs

Michelin MS3 110/90/19 = 13.3lbs

Pirelli Scorpion mid/hard 110/90/19 = 11.7lbs
Pirelli Scorpion mid/hard 80/100/21- 8.0lb

Kenda Millville 120/100-18 13.95lbs
Great info newmann!
Aceofspades 5/5/2015 8:36am
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some of you are clearly clueless. He wants his bike to weigh less, not himself. He does not "ride" himself, he rides the bike. The lighter...
some of you are clearly clueless. He wants his bike to weigh less, not himself. He does not "ride" himself, he rides the bike. The lighter the bike the faster it accelerates, stops, turns, easier to handle through whoops, ect...So funny every time someone brings up saving weight on the bike all the goons say go on a diet. Are you that clueless? What is easier to handle, 250lbs or 220 lbs? Not to mention he is asking about "unsprung weight". Educate yourselves guys before saying dumb shit.
Ive rebuilt the bike totally from a pile of parts in milk crates. I cheaped out on things like sprockets and chain and most other parts, and cheap =heavy. That damned rear sprocket weighs about two pounds it seems and the chain is a back breaker as well. I just wanted to get riding and ill start buying new, lighter parts in a few months. But yeah, no matter how fat my ass is, its still easier to handle a bike thats even ten pounds lighter if it can be done. 14 less pounds on my 02 kdx 200 ( most of it in the sprockets, non o ring chain and tires) was very, very noticible to me when the trail got so steep I had to push the bike.
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gpracer36 wrote:
some of you are clearly clueless. He wants his bike to weigh less, not himself. He does not "ride" himself, he rides the bike. The lighter...
some of you are clearly clueless. He wants his bike to weigh less, not himself. He does not "ride" himself, he rides the bike. The lighter the bike the faster it accelerates, stops, turns, easier to handle through whoops, ect...So funny every time someone brings up saving weight on the bike all the goons say go on a diet. Are you that clueless? What is easier to handle, 250lbs or 220 lbs? Not to mention he is asking about "unsprung weight". Educate yourselves guys before saying dumb shit.
quit being so generic. if you have a problem with someone hash it out with them bro.
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SLO1667 wrote:
maybe you should tell all the 50+ KTM owners that loosing weight is cheaper than buying a $15K dirt cycle. Smile
SLO, give it a rest. Laughing
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Man I wish Dunlop still made the 756RR

They didn't last but a couple of races, but good god those things hooked up!
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MXA did an article some 10 years ago about un-sprung weight, ie anything that can move from the fixed motorcycle (swing arm, tyres chain brake rotor & disc tubes axles rims spokes , bottom part of the fork) if I remember right they said it was more important to lose weight in these areas over the fixed motorcycle. They concluded about the weight saving being minimal to what the rider (also being a part of the un-sprung weight total) could lose. If as you say you're fitter than a butchers dog try what you can.
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Talon rear sprocket and Sunstar MXR1 chain are as light as it gets, FWIW.

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Aceofspades 5/5/2015 9:04pm
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Good advice in this here thread. Thanks all!
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jtiger12 wrote:
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight. my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin...
Are you in peak physical condition? Loosing rider weight is much cheaper and easier than bike weight.

my guess would be dunlops. They feel paper thin in the sidewalls. Get lightweight tubes and the plastic motion pro beadlocks.
SLO1667 wrote:
maybe you should tell all the 50+ KTM owners that loosing weight is cheaper than buying a $15K dirt cycle. Smile
Lawrence929 wrote:
You worked your resentment for KTM owners, the wealthy, and the new FE all into a thread about tires with ZERO provocation.

Fuck yeah.
Smile

yea, i topped myself on that one...
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nytsmaC wrote:
Talon rear sprocket and Sunstar MXR1 chain are as light as it gets, FWIW.

Great info coming from a slightly overweight truck driver. Wink
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Aceofspades wrote:
Im as hard as steel and chiseled from literal stone! * takes bite of twinkie*
racerx221 wrote:
its just relaxed muscle bro
lol!!
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gpracer36 wrote:
some of you are clearly clueless. He wants his bike to weigh less, not himself. He does not "ride" himself, he rides the bike. The lighter...
some of you are clearly clueless. He wants his bike to weigh less, not himself. He does not "ride" himself, he rides the bike. The lighter the bike the faster it accelerates, stops, turns, easier to handle through whoops, ect...So funny every time someone brings up saving weight on the bike all the goons say go on a diet. Are you that clueless? What is easier to handle, 250lbs or 220 lbs? Not to mention he is asking about "unsprung weight". Educate yourselves guys before saying dumb shit.
racerx221 wrote:
quit being so generic. if you have a problem with someone hash it out with them bro.
Very good point. I have been told by an old Caddy tech that the reason that some caddys with hubcaps(back in mid 80s) had aluminum wheels even though they had hubcaps and looked like normal undecorated wheels was because the unsprung weight is one of the more important factors for ride quality, fuel mileage and handling. I can imagine that if the were trying to save 30 or 40 pounds on a 4,000 lb car that saving some weight on a 200 something lb bike would be a very noticeable and important factor!
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