RV2 vs JS7 in MXGP? Who would do better?

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Edited Date/Time 5/6/2015 10:55am
As James Stewart can't race anywhere until August, if he was hypothetically free to race MXGP, how do you think he would be doing compared to Ryan Villopoto?
My own opinion is he wouldn't be doing as well as Ryan, pre Trentino crash, as he probably couldn't adjust to the changing GP 2 day format and his renowned harsh SX front fork set up just wouldn't work on the rougher GP tracks!
What do you think?
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Presumably like you I've twice seen Stewart ride in the UK and both times he was incredible, but that was 2006 and 2008.

I don't think he's the same rider today and the overall standard of riding (worldwide) has probably risen slightly since then, but I would still say he is perfectly capable of winning GPs, just like RV is capable of winning more GPs this season.
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5/1/2015 3:57am
I think he would win motos but probably not complete the series so similar results . I am hopeful RV can come back and finish out the season though.
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He'd crash out trying to match the pace of Desalle, Nagl, Cairoli on ungroomed, varied tracks.

Not sure he'd get his "meds" so easy either.

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5/1/2015 5:20am
You just opened the gates of hell with this question, haha.
5/1/2015 5:44am
I think the smoother you are, the better chances you've to adapt quickly on the GP tracks. That's why I can see Dungey or Seely be efficient in Europe.
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5/1/2015 5:51am
jamma10 wrote:
Presumably like you I've twice seen Stewart ride in the UK and both times he was incredible, but that was 2006 and 2008. I don't think...
Presumably like you I've twice seen Stewart ride in the UK and both times he was incredible, but that was 2006 and 2008.

I don't think he's the same rider today and the overall standard of riding (worldwide) has probably risen slightly since then, but I would still say he is perfectly capable of winning GPs, just like RV is capable of winning more GPs this season.
He still got beat in 2006 by Stefan Everts, and in 2008 by Sebastien Pourcel. So if you are right in your comment that the standard of riding in GP's has risen, and also taking into account the fact that Stewart is no longer the rider that he was, then I think it's fair to say that he would probably not make the top 5 in GP's. It would be nice to see him try though
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poto, considering the set up issues plaguing ryan and the fact that bubbles set up is even more rigid I would have to go toward poto.
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James when he is on is a bit smoother than RV so that may help him over there.
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5/1/2015 6:14am Edited Date/Time 5/1/2015 6:15am
jamma10 wrote:
Presumably like you I've twice seen Stewart ride in the UK and both times he was incredible, but that was 2006 and 2008. I don't think...
Presumably like you I've twice seen Stewart ride in the UK and both times he was incredible, but that was 2006 and 2008.

I don't think he's the same rider today and the overall standard of riding (worldwide) has probably risen slightly since then, but I would still say he is perfectly capable of winning GPs, just like RV is capable of winning more GPs this season.
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He still got beat in 2006 by Stefan Everts, and in 2008 by Sebastien Pourcel. So if you are right in your comment that the standard...
He still got beat in 2006 by Stefan Everts, and in 2008 by Sebastien Pourcel. So if you are right in your comment that the standard of riding in GP's has risen, and also taking into account the fact that Stewart is no longer the rider that he was, then I think it's fair to say that he would probably not make the top 5 in GP's. It would be nice to see him try though
Of course he could still make top 5. All the top riders in the world (which Stewart still is) are capable of winning races in either series. But around 2006/2007/2008 few riders in the world were on Stewarts level, RC and Everts were probably the only two who were.

On the Saturday in 2006 he rode fast and flawlessly all day, while Everts crashed. On the Sunday Everts showed his experience got the better of him, but they were both a class apart from the rest of the field.

In 2008 Stewart was by far the fastest rider all weekend and really should have gone 1-1 but for a silly mistake in the second moto. He was so far infront of S.Pourcel by that point he could have still won the race if he'd been able to fire up his bike straight away. That was just shitty luck.
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5/1/2015 6:14am
Flip109 wrote:
James when he is on is a bit smoother than RV so that may help him over there.
I agree, I think James is alot smoother than Ryan, even when faster, he's smoother than Ryan. I think he would do better assuming he stayed healthy.

5/1/2015 6:27am Edited Date/Time 5/1/2015 6:29am
Some results of Stewart:

2006

Win qualifying race by 2-3 secs over Everts and 36-37secs over Mckenzie. Everts fast lap was 2:05:4, Stewart was 2:03:1 and Mckenzie was 2:07:5.

Race 1

Everts wins with 11sec over Stewart and 16 over Villopoto (who was on a 250). Stewart fastest lap in 2:08:1, Everts in 2:08:6 and Villopoto in 2:08:5. Only Pourcel was in 2:08:6, and everybody else in 2:11 at best.

Race 2

Everts win over Stewart by 4 secs and Philipearts finished 3rd 18secs behind JS7. Everts best lap was 2:06:3, Stewart in 2:07:3 and Philipearts in 2:08:7. Barragan was the 3rd fastest with a 2:07:7.

2008

Win qualifying by 10 seconds overs Sebastien Pourcel (Christophe's old brother for those who don't know him) and 12 over De Dycker. Stewart fastest lap was a 1:57:6, Pourcel in 1:59:1 and De Dycker in 2:00:1.

Race 1

JS7 win by 21 seconds over Pourcel and 33 over Philipearts. That's there best lap times;

JS7: 2:02:499
Pourcel: 2:03:369
Philipearts: 2:04:048

You gotta Notice that Villopoto finished 10th on his 250 with the 2nd fastest lap: 2:02:667

Race 2

Stewart finish 23rd one lap behind Pourcel but still got the fastest lap as he has run a 2:03:562 and Pourcel best was a 2:03:880.
5/1/2015 6:49am
when was the last time stewart won a race outdoors? or was anywhere near winning one? seem to remember him being a long way behind dungey/ roczen in his most recent races

I think stewart would struggle in gps, I don't see him adapting to the different tracks / set up very well at all. Probably be in the 5th-10th range (or on the floor)

would love to see dungey have a crack at gps, I think his style would suit the tracks better than rv/ stewart. He's a lot more smooth/ efficient on the bike than they are. Would love to see tomac/ canard have a go too! or any other top tier American racers!!! doubt it will ever happen, but it would be good if it did

funny that people are bringing up des nations rides from 9 years ago and 7 years ago to say they think stewart would do well. Its not 2006 anymore people!!!
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5/1/2015 6:52am
Some results of Stewart: 2006 Win qualifying race by 2-3 secs over Everts and 36-37secs over Mckenzie. Everts fast lap was 2:05:4, Stewart was 2:03:1 and...
Some results of Stewart:

2006

Win qualifying race by 2-3 secs over Everts and 36-37secs over Mckenzie. Everts fast lap was 2:05:4, Stewart was 2:03:1 and Mckenzie was 2:07:5.

Race 1

Everts wins with 11sec over Stewart and 16 over Villopoto (who was on a 250). Stewart fastest lap in 2:08:1, Everts in 2:08:6 and Villopoto in 2:08:5. Only Pourcel was in 2:08:6, and everybody else in 2:11 at best.

Race 2

Everts win over Stewart by 4 secs and Philipearts finished 3rd 18secs behind JS7. Everts best lap was 2:06:3, Stewart in 2:07:3 and Philipearts in 2:08:7. Barragan was the 3rd fastest with a 2:07:7.

2008

Win qualifying by 10 seconds overs Sebastien Pourcel (Christophe's old brother for those who don't know him) and 12 over De Dycker. Stewart fastest lap was a 1:57:6, Pourcel in 1:59:1 and De Dycker in 2:00:1.

Race 1

JS7 win by 21 seconds over Pourcel and 33 over Philipearts. That's there best lap times;

JS7: 2:02:499
Pourcel: 2:03:369
Philipearts: 2:04:048

You gotta Notice that Villopoto finished 10th on his 250 with the 2nd fastest lap: 2:02:667

Race 2

Stewart finish 23rd one lap behind Pourcel but still got the fastest lap as he has run a 2:03:562 and Pourcel best was a 2:03:880.
Nice work there dragon.

I think if both riders were in there prime it would be very close.
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when was the last time stewart won a race outdoors? or was anywhere near winning one? seem to remember him being a long way behind dungey/...
when was the last time stewart won a race outdoors? or was anywhere near winning one? seem to remember him being a long way behind dungey/ roczen in his most recent races

I think stewart would struggle in gps, I don't see him adapting to the different tracks / set up very well at all. Probably be in the 5th-10th range (or on the floor)

would love to see dungey have a crack at gps, I think his style would suit the tracks better than rv/ stewart. He's a lot more smooth/ efficient on the bike than they are. Would love to see tomac/ canard have a go too! or any other top tier American racers!!! doubt it will ever happen, but it would be good if it did

funny that people are bringing up des nations rides from 9 years ago and 7 years ago to say they think stewart would do well. Its not 2006 anymore people!!!
He won at least one last year, going 1-1 at High Point.
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when was the last time stewart won a race outdoors? or was anywhere near winning one? seem to remember him being a long way behind dungey/...
when was the last time stewart won a race outdoors? or was anywhere near winning one? seem to remember him being a long way behind dungey/ roczen in his most recent races

I think stewart would struggle in gps, I don't see him adapting to the different tracks / set up very well at all. Probably be in the 5th-10th range (or on the floor)

would love to see dungey have a crack at gps, I think his style would suit the tracks better than rv/ stewart. He's a lot more smooth/ efficient on the bike than they are. Would love to see tomac/ canard have a go too! or any other top tier American racers!!! doubt it will ever happen, but it would be good if it did

funny that people are bringing up des nations rides from 9 years ago and 7 years ago to say they think stewart would do well. Its not 2006 anymore people!!!
He won three races last year.
5/1/2015 7:14am Edited Date/Time 5/1/2015 7:15am
when was the last time stewart won a race outdoors? or was anywhere near winning one? seem to remember him being a long way behind dungey/...
when was the last time stewart won a race outdoors? or was anywhere near winning one? seem to remember him being a long way behind dungey/ roczen in his most recent races

I think stewart would struggle in gps, I don't see him adapting to the different tracks / set up very well at all. Probably be in the 5th-10th range (or on the floor)

would love to see dungey have a crack at gps, I think his style would suit the tracks better than rv/ stewart. He's a lot more smooth/ efficient on the bike than they are. Would love to see tomac/ canard have a go too! or any other top tier American racers!!! doubt it will ever happen, but it would be good if it did

funny that people are bringing up des nations rides from 9 years ago and 7 years ago to say they think stewart would do well. Its not 2006 anymore people!!!
That's the reason why I could see Seely (even if he's not as fast as RD5) doing well over there and I really want to know what you guys think about that. (I bet Cianciarulo and Alldredge could be great too as they are really smooth too)

I don't know for Trey but Eli is special. I mean, he is so much more physical and using the throttle like his motorcylcle is gonna pass in every ruts, deep or not and that makes him fast everywhere. ET has done 2 MXON so far and I remember that he was the fastest of the week end in both of them.
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5/1/2015 7:15am
30 seconds clear out front just like Villopoto b'fucking'ro
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5/1/2015 7:22am
James would struggle on the rough tracks. RV is as competitive as any American would be there. Nobody else would be better.
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5/1/2015 8:34am
Honestly dont think todays Stewart could hang. Stewart from 06-08 couldve got it done though. Hes not in his prime anymore, this shouldnt be a question.
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5/1/2015 8:43am
His prime would have a very good chance, not sure about now.
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5/1/2015 9:04am
Stewart would definitely put in some great races but he's no RV

He was in his prime around the time of those MXdN and I think most people would agree that MX1 is a fair bit stronger today
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5/1/2015 9:27am
Sheez.

People act like JS7's fell off the map.

Still one of the most gifted guys on the bike, and had RD5 covered in mx until his getoffs.
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5/1/2015 9:36am
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Sheez. People act like JS7's fell off the map. Still one of the most gifted guys on the bike, and had RD5 covered in mx until...
Sheez.

People act like JS7's fell off the map.

Still one of the most gifted guys on the bike, and had RD5 covered in mx until his getoffs.
What year was that?
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5/1/2015 9:44am Edited Date/Time 5/1/2015 9:45am
I believe James would have a hard time keeping it on two wheels with the extreme variety of tracks. Extremely fast and crash. As poorly as RV has done I give the nod to him over James.

I think the American that would do the best over there would be Dungey. One of the smartest riders the sport has seen and he would most likely be on or near the podium each round and few crashes if any.

I also think Alessi would do very well on the GP circuit. The kid is pure motocross and I think the GP tracks would fit his talents perfectly

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