James Stewart Appeal Denied

Kartwheel84c 4/29/2015 9:56am
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Look, if you want to say that they have a "similar" makeup, sure. I'll go with that. But you have to be very conscious of how...
Look, if you want to say that they have a "similar" makeup, sure. I'll go with that. But you have to be very conscious of how very small differences in a molecule can have a huge impact on the characteristics of that molecule.
When you fail a drug test for Adderall, you fail showing a "generic methamphetamine" which is EXACTLY how James failed. Any more questions?
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burn1986 wrote:
I guess I'm the enemy now since I said that his punishment is unfair. So lets just all be happy and jolly that justice has again...
I guess I'm the enemy now since I said that his punishment is unfair. So lets just all be happy and jolly that justice has again won out. I'm amazed that no one sees anything wrong with this whole process. Yes James had a violation, but 2 whole seasons to sit out? Come on.
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C'mon Burn sheeesh. So far James has missed 1 SX series and he'll be missing the majority of the outdoors ( probably the whole thing )...
C'mon Burn sheeesh. So far James has missed 1 SX series and he'll be missing the majority of the outdoors ( probably the whole thing ) of 2015. He raced SX and Mx both last year. He'll be back this coming August. I think we should be happy it wasn't a full 2yr , 3yr or in some case 4yrs or a life time ban in other sports. It was too harsh I think to in James' instances , but they seem to follow in tow of what other athlete's suspensions have been in other sports.

If you go back 1.5yrs ago on this message board , you'll see that the majority of the people here " wanted " drug testing. But now that someone has been caught , WADA and FIM are now evil do'ers. The plain simple truth here is , there should not be one single , high paid professional athlete on this planet that doesn't have someone in their corner explaining all the legal stuff.

People throwing blame at FIM , WADA , USADA , AMA , Mx Sports , ect........and not one mention of the guy who actually took the drug. Wanting to ban FIM from the USA in motorcycle racing is ridiculous in my eyes.
burn1986 wrote:
Well, dang Jeffro, why aren't more people mad about this? It sucks and wreaks of bullsh-t. Okay, we know all the ins and outs of how...
Well, dang Jeffro, why aren't more people mad about this? It sucks and wreaks of bullsh-t. Okay, we know all the ins and outs of how this process is set in stone, how no one other than James is at fault, blah blah blah. But why cant we just express that fact that it is bullsh-t. I think a 6 month suspension would suffice, with 2 years suspended sentence.

Either way, I think most of you guys who blindly agree with everything just wants all of us who don't blindly agree with everything to just shut up about it.
There is a lot that I disagree with in James' case Burn. But I don't think burning the FIM , Wada , Mx sports at the cross solves anything. Is James at fault here?....yes he is , but he should of had someone in his group explain things to him better I think. The guys sole purpose is to race dirt bikes , but that doesn't exclude or even justify the infringement. But I agree that the penalty seems harsh. But basing it off of other athletes that got caught using the exact same drug....the penalty could have been WAY WORSE!

WADA is an organization in which you don't mess around with. Where were all the people bitching about them in 2009 when the sport brought them in? We didn't.....because nobody had been caught. Now?
Kartwheel84c 4/29/2015 9:58am
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Do you think Meth is made with the exact same ingredients as Adderall? The only thing they have in common on one of the substances is...
Do you think Meth is made with the exact same ingredients as Adderall? The only thing they have in common on one of the substances is amphetamine.

Adderall is made in labs , with clean ingredients and meth is made out someones bath tub and can contain shit like drano , rat poison and other things that could kill a human being. Adderall does not.

You still think adderall is " just " meth? .

As I said above, when you fail a drug test for Adderall you fail showing a "generic methamphetamine". The banned substance in Adderall is methamphetamine.
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burn1986 wrote:
I guess I'm the enemy now since I said that his punishment is unfair. So lets just all be happy and jolly that justice has again...
I guess I'm the enemy now since I said that his punishment is unfair. So lets just all be happy and jolly that justice has again won out. I'm amazed that no one sees anything wrong with this whole process. Yes James had a violation, but 2 whole seasons to sit out? Come on.
jeffro503 wrote:
C'mon Burn sheeesh. So far James has missed 1 SX series and he'll be missing the majority of the outdoors ( probably the whole thing )...
C'mon Burn sheeesh. So far James has missed 1 SX series and he'll be missing the majority of the outdoors ( probably the whole thing ) of 2015. He raced SX and Mx both last year. He'll be back this coming August. I think we should be happy it wasn't a full 2yr , 3yr or in some case 4yrs or a life time ban in other sports. It was too harsh I think to in James' instances , but they seem to follow in tow of what other athlete's suspensions have been in other sports.

If you go back 1.5yrs ago on this message board , you'll see that the majority of the people here " wanted " drug testing. But now that someone has been caught , WADA and FIM are now evil do'ers. The plain simple truth here is , there should not be one single , high paid professional athlete on this planet that doesn't have someone in their corner explaining all the legal stuff.

People throwing blame at FIM , WADA , USADA , AMA , Mx Sports , ect........and not one mention of the guy who actually took the drug. Wanting to ban FIM from the USA in motorcycle racing is ridiculous in my eyes.
burn1986 wrote:
Well, dang Jeffro, why aren't more people mad about this? It sucks and wreaks of bullsh-t. Okay, we know all the ins and outs of how...
Well, dang Jeffro, why aren't more people mad about this? It sucks and wreaks of bullsh-t. Okay, we know all the ins and outs of how this process is set in stone, how no one other than James is at fault, blah blah blah. But why cant we just express that fact that it is bullsh-t. I think a 6 month suspension would suffice, with 2 years suspended sentence.

Either way, I think most of you guys who blindly agree with everything just wants all of us who don't blindly agree with everything to just shut up about it.
There are many people that agree with you, including the AMA president, DC and Jeremy McGrath, but very few are interested in arguing with the same predictable people on a message board. Go on RacerX Instagram or Facebook and see how many people think this is stupid, and the tremendous amount of support there is for James. For now everyone's hands are tied to what the FIM decides, that could change in the future, but not anytime soon.

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Its pretty bad when you have to have a freakin diagram to try and explain all this baloney. Its interesting how the top two controlling agencies are the WADA and the FIM. I can't wait for everyone to start cursing at me for that. C'mon morans, explain all the bullsh-t over again.
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gonemoto 4/29/2015 10:02am
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The FIM sucks balls and has no place in American MX. We can thank the Feld's for that fiasco, so F them also. JS screwed himself but I think we can all agree the penalty is excessive.
And that rug really tied the room together.
Yeah, well. The Dude abides.
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As I said above, when you fail a drug test for Adderall you fail showing a "generic methamphetamine". The banned substance in Adderall is methamphetamine.
You`re so full of shit. There is no methamphetamine in aderall at all.


amphetamine aspartate monohydrate (25%) stimulant
amphetamine sulfate (25%) stimulant
dextroamphetamine saccharate (25%) stimulant
dextroamphetamine sulfate (25%) stimulan

When you fail a test using Aderall , test shows amphetamine. If you don`t understand the difference- stay out of this topic.
Amphetamine is even in a nasal sprays for running nose. It`s widely used in medicine and I bet you used it with in half a year.
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jeffro503 wrote:
C'mon Burn sheeesh. So far James has missed 1 SX series and he'll be missing the majority of the outdoors ( probably the whole thing )...
C'mon Burn sheeesh. So far James has missed 1 SX series and he'll be missing the majority of the outdoors ( probably the whole thing ) of 2015. He raced SX and Mx both last year. He'll be back this coming August. I think we should be happy it wasn't a full 2yr , 3yr or in some case 4yrs or a life time ban in other sports. It was too harsh I think to in James' instances , but they seem to follow in tow of what other athlete's suspensions have been in other sports.

If you go back 1.5yrs ago on this message board , you'll see that the majority of the people here " wanted " drug testing. But now that someone has been caught , WADA and FIM are now evil do'ers. The plain simple truth here is , there should not be one single , high paid professional athlete on this planet that doesn't have someone in their corner explaining all the legal stuff.

People throwing blame at FIM , WADA , USADA , AMA , Mx Sports , ect........and not one mention of the guy who actually took the drug. Wanting to ban FIM from the USA in motorcycle racing is ridiculous in my eyes.
burn1986 wrote:
Well, dang Jeffro, why aren't more people mad about this? It sucks and wreaks of bullsh-t. Okay, we know all the ins and outs of how...
Well, dang Jeffro, why aren't more people mad about this? It sucks and wreaks of bullsh-t. Okay, we know all the ins and outs of how this process is set in stone, how no one other than James is at fault, blah blah blah. But why cant we just express that fact that it is bullsh-t. I think a 6 month suspension would suffice, with 2 years suspended sentence.

Either way, I think most of you guys who blindly agree with everything just wants all of us who don't blindly agree with everything to just shut up about it.
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There is a lot that I disagree with in James' case Burn. But I don't think burning the FIM , Wada , Mx sports at the...
There is a lot that I disagree with in James' case Burn. But I don't think burning the FIM , Wada , Mx sports at the cross solves anything. Is James at fault here?....yes he is , but he should of had someone in his group explain things to him better I think. The guys sole purpose is to race dirt bikes , but that doesn't exclude or even justify the infringement. But I agree that the penalty seems harsh. But basing it off of other athletes that got caught using the exact same drug....the penalty could have been WAY WORSE!

WADA is an organization in which you don't mess around with. Where were all the people bitching about them in 2009 when the sport brought them in? We didn't.....because nobody had been caught. Now?
The problem with asking, "where were the people bitching about WADA when they came in" is that NOBODY really understood what a cluster fuck this would be.
In short:
Rider fails drug test.
Rider can still ride until punishment is handed down under the rules.
FIM Officials go on record saying, "I can't believe James is still riding" even though the rider is playing by the rules and apparently the FIM has 0 interest in changing the rule.
Then we go through an entire process of FIM/CAS appeals that takes over a year from the prior failed test.

After all of this is said and done nothing even changes because James will still be taking the "illegal substance" that he was originally in trouble for taking because he's now been granted a TUE.

Yeah, that entire waste of time just happened and we will have the same amount of drug use in the sport because of it... This sure helped the sport.



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gonemoto 4/29/2015 10:11am
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The FIM are fucking Nihilists, man.
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Dungy's like "yeeeeeeseees!!!! I get another easy title !!!" Lmao. Oh well. JS has a great attitude about it so his fans should do the same...
Dungy's like "yeeeeeeseees!!!! I get another easy title !!!" Lmao. Oh well. JS has a great attitude about it so his fans should do the same. Move on. 2016 will be fun.
"easy" get real.
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And it's not like James races the outdoors normally anyway...
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Really? 2012,13 and 14 he wasn't outdoors? Take your mind numbing James hate some where else.
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Hate? I don't hate James. In fact, I wish he was able to ride. However, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I'd...
Hate? I don't hate James. In fact, I wish he was able to ride. However, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I'd love to see James line up with Trey, Dungey, Tomac, Blake...
I wont begin with time and crime shit, but your distaste for James is obvious.
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Park Boys wrote:
Really? 2012,13 and 14 he wasn't outdoors? Take your mind numbing James hate some where else.
huck wrote:
Hate? I don't hate James. In fact, I wish he was able to ride. However, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I'd...
Hate? I don't hate James. In fact, I wish he was able to ride. However, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I'd love to see James line up with Trey, Dungey, Tomac, Blake...
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I wont begin with time and crime shit, but your distaste for James is obvious.
I disagree...but obviously you know more about my feelings than I do....
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Rules were "bent" for RC and his fuel. Why? Because it didn't make a difference. To punish RC for the amount of Lead that was found...
Rules were "bent" for RC and his fuel. Why? Because it didn't make a difference. To punish RC for the amount of Lead that was found in his fuel would have been completely unfair but now "Rules are Rules" all of the sudden.
Shhhhhh people don't want to hear that.
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Not surprised and disappointed. Nothing else to add........
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Rules were "bent" for RC and his fuel. Why? Because it didn't make a difference. To punish RC for the amount of Lead that was found...
Rules were "bent" for RC and his fuel. Why? Because it didn't make a difference. To punish RC for the amount of Lead that was found in his fuel would have been completely unfair but now "Rules are Rules" all of the sudden.
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Drugs are different than fuel. James was held to the same rules ALL athletes around the world are held to and NONE of them get the...
Drugs are different than fuel. James was held to the same rules ALL athletes around the world are held to and NONE of them get the rules bent for drugs.
the thing that should remain, is "rules are rules"

Which was not the case for the worlds biggest motocross star at the time.

That's the point. Bending of the rules took place.
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IceMan446 4/29/2015 10:41am
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The part the I dont like is, the FIM getting pissy over James racing the nationals and them making it seem like that played a part in their decision.

The FIM seemed like a bunch of crybabies made that they didn't get their way.

Time for a riders Union.
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burn1986 4/29/2015 10:43am
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There are many people that agree with you, including the AMA president, DC and Jeremy McGrath, but very few are interested in arguing with the same...
There are many people that agree with you, including the AMA president, DC and Jeremy McGrath, but very few are interested in arguing with the same predictable people on a message board. Go on RacerX Instagram or Facebook and see how many people think this is stupid, and the tremendous amount of support there is for James. For now everyone's hands are tied to what the FIM decides, that could change in the future, but not anytime soon.
Boy, aren't you just full of knowledge. I'll bet it feels good to throw those names around. That means a lot - AMA President (the AMA has had such an imapct on this), Jeremy McGrath, and DC. At least you've mentioned all the people who are unbiased and aren't making their money off the industry. Heck, if its good enough for them . . .
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gsxrcr28 4/29/2015 10:50am
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
There are many people that agree with you, including the AMA president, DC and Jeremy McGrath, but very few are interested in arguing with the same...
There are many people that agree with you, including the AMA president, DC and Jeremy McGrath, but very few are interested in arguing with the same predictable people on a message board. Go on RacerX Instagram or Facebook and see how many people think this is stupid, and the tremendous amount of support there is for James. For now everyone's hands are tied to what the FIM decides, that could change in the future, but not anytime soon.
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Boy, aren't you just full of knowledge. I'll bet it feels good to throw those names around. That means a lot - AMA President (the AMA...
Boy, aren't you just full of knowledge. I'll bet it feels good to throw those names around. That means a lot - AMA President (the AMA has had such an imapct on this), Jeremy McGrath, and DC. At least you've mentioned all the people who are unbiased and aren't making their money off the industry. Heck, if its good enough for them . . .
I think you missed the part where they agree with you. There is nothing they can do Burn, or the suspension would have been lifted. We are stuck with the FIM, whether anyone likes it or not.

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CAS decided not to uphold his appeal, nothing to do with the FIM. Other than CAS presumably heard the same argument that the FIM were given by JS's team, and reached the same conclusion. Which adds weight to the FIM getting the judgement right in the first place. Maybe they'll now publish the full report that they said they would in December..
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IceMan446 4/29/2015 10:58am
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Fraser wrote:
CAS decided not to uphold his appeal, nothing to do with the FIM. Other than CAS presumably heard the same argument that the FIM were given...
CAS decided not to uphold his appeal, nothing to do with the FIM. Other than CAS presumably heard the same argument that the FIM were given by JS's team, and reached the same conclusion. Which adds weight to the FIM getting the judgement right in the first place. Maybe they'll now publish the full report that they said they would in December..
And if they don't?

Does that lead to more speculation???

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gsxrcr28 4/29/2015 11:02am
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Don't approve him to take the medication if it's deserving of such a harsh penalty, that's why the whole thing is stupid.
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Don't approve him to take the medication if it's deserving of such a harsh penalty, that's why the whole thing is stupid.
It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a team of doctors to argue necessity. HUNDREDS of different sports are governed by the WADA code. This one ruling would have jeopardized the integrity of the whole regime.
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IceMan446 4/29/2015 11:11am
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It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a...
It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a team of doctors to argue necessity. HUNDREDS of different sports are governed by the WADA code. This one ruling would have jeopardized the integrity of the whole regime.
Except their integrity is already blemished.

See the Jon "Bones" Jones saga.



TripleFive 4/29/2015 11:14am
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It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a...
It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a team of doctors to argue necessity. HUNDREDS of different sports are governed by the WADA code. This one ruling would have jeopardized the integrity of the whole regime.
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Except their integrity is already blemished.

See the Jon "Bones" Jones saga.



Explain the relationship between the UFC and WADA.
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gsxrcr28 4/29/2015 11:16am
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
Don't approve him to take the medication if it's deserving of such a harsh penalty, that's why the whole thing is stupid.
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It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a...
It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a team of doctors to argue necessity. HUNDREDS of different sports are governed by the WADA code. This one ruling would have jeopardized the integrity of the whole regime.
Fair enough, but if you pass all of WADA's doctors evaluations proving to them you need the medication the punishment doesn't need to be 18 months. It's ridiculous. Are there going to be some people that side with the FIM and WADA? Sure.
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burn1986 4/29/2015 11:18am
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I think you missed the part where they agree with you. There is nothing they can do Burn, or the suspension would have been lifted. We...
I think you missed the part where they agree with you. There is nothing they can do Burn, or the suspension would have been lifted. We are stuck with the FIM, whether anyone likes it or not.
Well, you're actually right, I did miss the part where they agree Smile . Even so, I think some are playing the "nothing we can do" card to its fullest extent. The AMA can't do anything?! The promoter of his own series can't do anything?! Its just another nail in the coffin of US MX and SX racing. Where will all these guys be when there are no more races? They will have made their money and headed for the hills. They know whats coming. No one of their decisions has increased the purse for the racers or increased the riders on the starting line. How much do they win for a SX race again? Their decisions are centered around the wealthy industry insiders. They were the ones crying for the WADA and FIM to come in. How much does DC and Feld make off their series?

TripleFive 4/29/2015 11:20am
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
Don't approve him to take the medication if it's deserving of such a harsh penalty, that's why the whole thing is stupid.
TripleFive wrote:
It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a...
It's not. If they let James slide it would open up the door for everyone who tests positive for ANYTHING to try and retroactively hire a team of doctors to argue necessity. HUNDREDS of different sports are governed by the WADA code. This one ruling would have jeopardized the integrity of the whole regime.
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Fair enough, but if you pass all of WADA's doctors evaluations proving to them you need the medication the punishment doesn't need to be 18 months...
Fair enough, but if you pass all of WADA's doctors evaluations proving to them you need the medication the punishment doesn't need to be 18 months. It's ridiculous. Are there going to be some people that side with the FIM and WADA? Sure.
There is a war on drugs in sports. The prevailing mantra is "every athlete is responsible for what is in his/her own body."

The only way to drive this point home is to come down hard on every single violation.

For a premier athlete to take a powerful mind-altering drug and not check the code first is grossly negligent.
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Fraser 4/29/2015 11:25am
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So now that's it and there's no more appeals (unless he goes legal) , finally JS can tell all the fans exactly what's been going on. All those important facts that he couldn't tell anyone at all during this entire process. Can't wait to read it
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some of you act like a bunch of babys James and everyteam manager rider rider manager rider lawyer and mechanic knew what the rules are and even both feld and mxsports told them directly to their faces that this were the rules and this were the penaltys. there was no secret about this and what was or not legal and every rider trainer mechanic and team trash collector knew the rules existed. people need to ask not why did james get penalized by why did he not do what he needed to do and get the permission. all he had to do is submit the paperwork and he didnt why? his managers lawyers family posse and more and no one knew the rules and how to allow him to use a prescribed drug? incompetent? everyone stupid? stupid lawyers? stupid managers?stupid sponsos?stupid team managers? everyone is stupid and do not know the rules or did they just ignore the rules and say fuckit? ask why didnt james and hes people know the rules and follow them? had they just done that none of this would be like this? dont blame everyone but him and his people, blamehim. blame them. the penaty was laid out in advance so that was no surprise but they ignored the rules anyway, why? ask why? did you ever wonder why? better concentration is an advantage because that is what adderall is and is for. stop blaming everyone else for them being stupid

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