Local Motocross?

Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 3:55pm
I keep hearing that since the economy isn't terribly healthy, and costs are going up for everything, that local motocross has had a pretty big downturn in the number of competitiors this year. I race in the CRA in northeast Ohio, and several of our tracks have had a poor turnout this year at various rounds. I'm thinking that this is partially due to scheduling conflicts with more than one track running events on the same day. Anyone else see this happening in their local areas?

On a more upbeat note, we had our last MX of the regular season on 11/2/2008, and there were a total of 263 competitors that day...one of the best turnouts this season.
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11/16/2008 7:39pm
yea i know its affected the tracks down here... lower turnout than normal hopefully with the lower gas prices it will bring the riders back.. i know i couldnt ride cuz the gas was too much...
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IMO, what is killing local MX racing is open practice days.
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11/16/2008 8:00pm
WORCSRacer wrote:
IMO, what is killing local MX racing is open practice days.
Hows that?
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11/16/2008 8:03pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2008 8:04pm
Because most people are far more content to go to the track pretend to race or even better race their buddies all day long for $20 bucks rather than go race two 5 lap motos for $50. Couple in the fact that you can ride practice now 3 to 5 days a week... and bingo bango bongo no more local MX racing.

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11/16/2008 8:12pm
WORCSRacer wrote:
IMO, what is killing local MX racing is open practice days.
MxDaD324 wrote:
Hows that?
The track still charges to practice and less expenses such as medical crew and flaggers plus prep is not at good usually. There are actually LESS open practice days here in MN than ever before so that does not seem like a reason for the down turn.

Its all about the economy IMO. many don't even know if they will have a job let alone high gas prices.

Open practice is what made race days big up here, before that people did not get to ride other than race days unless you had a track of your own. racing exploded when tracks realized they needed to feed the hunger so i don't think that is the problem but i do see you're logic and it could be a possible effect on race days now that the economy is so bad.

We have well over 3000 district 23 MX racers and 2-3 race options each week which now is to many and causes tracks to suffer. Our entries are down by 6000 this year! We would get 800-1000 per Sunday at Millville year after year and now its about 1/2 that and sometimes less. The last big even there with a $10,000.00 payout only brought a few hundred racers...
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11/16/2008 8:16pm
I can't afford to race every weekend, so I practice. When I can't afford open practice anymore,, I'll go ride some trails.

I'd rather see more open practice days around here.
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11/16/2008 8:25pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2008 8:27pm
crowe176 wrote:
I can't afford to race every weekend, so I practice. When I can't afford open practice anymore,, I'll go ride some trails. I'd rather see more...
I can't afford to race every weekend, so I practice. When I can't afford open practice anymore,, I'll go ride some trails.

I'd rather see more open practice days around here.
Score one for worksracer!
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Personally, I would rather race once a month, than to ever ride a practice day. (my results show it)

I don't care for the amount of different skilled riders, or odd bike sizes on practice days.

I like to show up, enter my class, and race with guys my age, and my speed.

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11/16/2008 8:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:14pm
WORCSRacer wrote:
IMO, what is killing local MX racing is open practice days.
Agreed. Myself and pretty much all of my riding buddies all stopped racing with any regularity because we would rather ride open practice days on the same track than go to sunday races. So that is for sure our case.


Half the cost. 50X the seat time. Not having to get up at 5AM.


None of us were competative racers anyway, but the only way to get on a decent track used to be to race on sundays. Not so anymore.
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On a lighter note... The 2008 Dodge Amateur National held at the Hangtown National track was the only Amateur national this year that had an increase in riders.
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11/16/2008 9:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:14pm
Slow ~ Pro wrote:
Personally, I would rather race once a month, than to ever ride a practice day. (my results show it) I don't care for the amount of...
Personally, I would rather race once a month, than to ever ride a practice day. (my results show it)

I don't care for the amount of different skilled riders, or odd bike sizes on practice days.

I like to show up, enter my class, and race with guys my age, and my speed.

I would rather race too. But riding once a month isn't justifiable with how time is spent on day dreaming, bike prep, bench racing etc.. If I added up all the time I spent thinking about MX a month, and then tried to release that energy riding two 20 minute motos or a 3 hour harescramble would put me in the nut house.

It's bad enough tracks are only open for five months a year around here.
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I won't even go to open practice at Red Bud anymore because they get such a huge turn out, they end up dividing the practice into about six or 7 different practice sessions. Two classes for expert/Int, two classes or more for Novice, Quads, Mini's etc..

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What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2 classes, get 8 laps of practice and 20 laps of racing for 80 bucks.
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MX72 wrote:
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2...
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2 classes, get 8 laps of practice and 20 laps of racing for 80 bucks.
Amen!!!!
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MX72 wrote:
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2...
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2 classes, get 8 laps of practice and 20 laps of racing for 80 bucks.
That's correct. Run a single 30 minute moto per class for all big bikes, combining classes as necessary, post the race order in advance so a rider doesn't have to be out there all day, and arrange the day so you have a short practice period followed by half of the classes, another short practice followed by the other half, and you'll get more riders. If your race is early, you show up early and you're done by noon. If your class is late, you show up at noon and you're done by five. Longer motos are safer and reward physical preparation - and when you get right down to is, that's what motocross is. A four lap sprint isn't motocross, and besides that, it's crazy to go out there and spend all day for a total of 10 laps on the track.
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Slow ~ Pro wrote:
Personally, I would rather race once a month, than to ever ride a practice day. (my results show it) I don't care for the amount of...
Personally, I would rather race once a month, than to ever ride a practice day. (my results show it)

I don't care for the amount of different skilled riders, or odd bike sizes on practice days.

I like to show up, enter my class, and race with guys my age, and my speed.

crowe176 wrote:
I would rather race too. But riding once a month isn't justifiable with how time is spent on day dreaming, bike prep, bench racing etc.. If...
I would rather race too. But riding once a month isn't justifiable with how time is spent on day dreaming, bike prep, bench racing etc.. If I added up all the time I spent thinking about MX a month, and then tried to release that energy riding two 20 minute motos or a 3 hour harescramble would put me in the nut house.

It's bad enough tracks are only open for five months a year around here.
haha. So true.
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squid48 wrote:
On a lighter note... The 2008 Dodge Amateur National held at the Hangtown National track was the only Amateur national this year that had an increase...
On a lighter note... The 2008 Dodge Amateur National held at the Hangtown National track was the only Amateur national this year that had an increase in riders.
your wrong about that!
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this year will be the first since '86 that i did not race a single time, with the exception of '03 and '04 when i was out with a serious injury. i did not race because of the cost. i had planned to do one race late in the year but i got hurt and missed it.

locally, rider turnout is probably three or four times greater on practice days over race days.

regarding amatuer nationals, i thought i heard ponca had an increase in riders this year.
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11/17/2008 6:46am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:14pm
MX72 wrote:
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2...
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2 classes, get 8 laps of practice and 20 laps of racing for 80 bucks.
Spot on.
There should only be that many classes at area & regional qualifiers for LL's.
Pointless at regular am races. Cut the classes in half and the gates will actually fill.
WHKnuckle has a good idea with that schedule.
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MX72 wrote:
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2...
What's killing local motocross is 12 hour days and 30 race classes. 4 Laps of practice ,2 ,5 lap motos for 45 dollars. I'll ride 2 classes, get 8 laps of practice and 20 laps of racing for 80 bucks.
WhKnuckle wrote:
That's correct. Run a single 30 minute moto per class for all big bikes, combining classes as necessary, post the race order in advance so a...
That's correct. Run a single 30 minute moto per class for all big bikes, combining classes as necessary, post the race order in advance so a rider doesn't have to be out there all day, and arrange the day so you have a short practice period followed by half of the classes, another short practice followed by the other half, and you'll get more riders. If your race is early, you show up early and you're done by noon. If your class is late, you show up at noon and you're done by five. Longer motos are safer and reward physical preparation - and when you get right down to is, that's what motocross is. A four lap sprint isn't motocross, and besides that, it's crazy to go out there and spend all day for a total of 10 laps on the track.
I would race so much more if that were the case. Its so hard to justify being at the track for 12+hrs to ride maybe 16 laps(32min). I am turning into the practice rider as well, but with that said, its just not the same as racing.
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I couldn't agree more. A race weekend is easily $300 if you run three classes. For each class you get 4-5 2 minute laps per moto. For all races above a 50cc class, that's a sprint, it's not MX. Promoters have screwed themselves on this one. Several top quality personal tracks have sprung up in our area while AMA race turnout seems to have dropped again this year.

Make MX races 20 min plus a lap for A, 10 min plus a lap for 50s and 15 min plus a lap for everyone else. Eliminate classes to get to that point. We have had to run 3 classes because the motos are too short to get a workout. WIth proper moto lengths, 2 classes would be enough for most mortals.

Additionally, this would increase the value of going to the MX track. Since a racer would get more time for less dollars, one would expect to lure some racers back.

Right now it's hard to show up for a 10 min spint moto knowing you are going to be there all day when you can meet a 10-20 other racers at a private track and get in a couple hours of quality track time before noon. Everyone would rather race a sanctioned event, but, with current conditions, the personal tracks are booming and the AMA tracks aren't.
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As I see it the biggest problem facing local MX is that for a lot of us .....its not local anymore!!!
I just relocated North of Chicago and the closest track is 2 hours away. Around here the tracks that I go to are all in the same area so I am sure that divides the turnout as well...

I love to race, there is no other feeling than lining up on the gate with 40 other bikes...but my career choice is time consuming... I will go practice every weekend that I can, and may race once a month.... I hate sitting around ALL day for 20 laps.
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11/17/2008 7:38am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:14pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
That's correct. Run a single 30 minute moto per class for all big bikes, combining classes as necessary, post the race order in advance so a...
That's correct. Run a single 30 minute moto per class for all big bikes, combining classes as necessary, post the race order in advance so a rider doesn't have to be out there all day, and arrange the day so you have a short practice period followed by half of the classes, another short practice followed by the other half, and you'll get more riders. If your race is early, you show up early and you're done by noon. If your class is late, you show up at noon and you're done by five. Longer motos are safer and reward physical preparation - and when you get right down to is, that's what motocross is. A four lap sprint isn't motocross, and besides that, it's crazy to go out there and spend all day for a total of 10 laps on the track.
Hey that's my idea! lol


In addition to a long single moto, I'd also like to see the A-D classes set up as skill only with open displacement like the vet classes. In a long moto a 125 should be competitive with a 450 because of the endurance factor of a 30 minute moto. This way you can reduce the number of classes and get full gates.



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Local races have so many little bike classes but that's where they get there moola-the kids racing-80's and under-but it takes up so much time.
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I don't think the average amateur or Vet rider is suited for a 30 minute moto. Injuries would sky rocket.
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11/17/2008 8:40am Edited Date/Time 11/17/2008 8:40am
BDOG wrote:
I don't think the average amateur or Vet rider is suited for a 30 minute moto. Injuries would sky rocket.
I would argue that the injuries would decrease. Amateur "sprints" are recipe for disaster IMHO.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
That's correct. Run a single 30 minute moto per class for all big bikes, combining classes as necessary, post the race order in advance so a...
That's correct. Run a single 30 minute moto per class for all big bikes, combining classes as necessary, post the race order in advance so a rider doesn't have to be out there all day, and arrange the day so you have a short practice period followed by half of the classes, another short practice followed by the other half, and you'll get more riders. If your race is early, you show up early and you're done by noon. If your class is late, you show up at noon and you're done by five. Longer motos are safer and reward physical preparation - and when you get right down to is, that's what motocross is. A four lap sprint isn't motocross, and besides that, it's crazy to go out there and spend all day for a total of 10 laps on the track.
The TORCS harescramble series changed their Saturday schedule this year and I thought it was great. Show up at 11am... sign-up... ride a 1-hour practice at noon... 70 minute race at 3pm... done by 4:30pm and home early. I'd get a minimum of 2 hours of riding/racing in places only open a few times a year for races and all for just $30.
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I agree about the classes. Focus on ability rather than age in the kid sizes as well as the vet classes and the gates will fill up. If you want to run a vet class for 40+ and have A-D that's fine, but I see no reason for all the split age groups prior to that. It seems everyone just tries to cherry pick and would rather win a race with 3 guys instead of maybe getting 3rd out of a class of 20 and the promoters are playing to this and happily taking the money. It seems that is starting to backfire a bit now that people don't want to race for 4 laps and be there all day.
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11/17/2008 10:52am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:14pm
BDOG wrote:
I don't think the average amateur or Vet rider is suited for a 30 minute moto. Injuries would sky rocket.
rocrac wrote:
I would argue that the injuries would decrease. Amateur "sprints" are recipe for disaster IMHO.
I am a promoter and I run my pros one 30 min moto so they can leave after their race and let me tell you I have good pros and they whine.

It's funny Glen Helen is my longest track so I tend to not give too many laps, it's a rough track, People cry oh man I only got 5-6 laps, I go by time not laps. You put them on a minute track and give them 7 laps they're pumped and it's less time then the 5 laps at Glen Helen, silly riders.

And I so beg to differ with you, give them too much time and they get tired and fatigued, way more accidents, and I am not talking over a 3 lap race, yeah thats dangerous. I am comparing 5-7 laps compared to a 20+ minute race.

I also work the Day in the Dirt event, lap checking and those races are over 40 mins every race and lots of people give up fairly early due to being tired. On and yes all races are down including the Dodge amateur race, money is tight regardless of who you are !!

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11/17/2008 11:02am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 9:14pm
Back in Blighty we used to race 3 x 20 min + 2 lap moto's . No big wrecks, no big whiners, everybody's happy . Kids ( Schoolboys) had seperate events so you would never have mini bikes there.
We'd have a pro class, expert and 1 or 2 novice classes. Pro & Expert 20 min +2 , novice 10 min+ 2. No age breakdown or any of that stuff.
It was great , turn up get a good day in and be home at a reasonable hour.

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